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[berelinde]

I've been taking Cole around more this game, and some of the things he says are just too funny!

 

For example, I brought him to the Western Approach, and when we found some of Frederic's "Research Supplies," Cole chimes in with "Someone is missing a teapot, some papers, and little biscuits." It was actually quite an an eye opener. I always thought these "research supplies" were things like calipers and balances and scientific instruments, but no, Cole has it right. Frederic is an old-school academic. His research assistants deal with the mundane while he sits in his comfy chair and mulls over their reports.

[caradoc2000]

It definitely pays off to vary your party composition.

[Lulupab]

Cole surfaces most things than otherwise never surface.

 

Like Vivienne inviting marquis knowing he will make a mess and she will get to show off in front of Inquisitor and everyone else.

 

Cole "mentions" Solas' wolfiness.

 

And other things, everyone have a secret and Cole knows it.

[Magdalena11]

He's a lot like Merrill for making bizarrely appropos comments at just the right moment.  

[Gilli]

Not a party banter, but today Cullen got a letter from Cole telling him:

 

"Uldred marked you, but he didn't make you. You stayed you."

 

You could hear the relief in Cullen's voice 

[andy6915]

Not a party banter, but today Cullen got a letter from Cole telling him:

 

"Uldred marked you, but he didn't make you. You stayed you."

 

You could hear the relief in Cullen's voice 

 

What?! Where?

[Rascoth]

What?! Where?

Sometimes there's a messenger in Cullen's office (just like in Josephine's). That's when you get this line.

Eh, you really have to be lucky to get it >.>

[Gilli]

What?! Where?

 

I have never gotten that comment! I must try now! Lol

 

I got that comment twice till now (in both my PTs), always during Cullen's Before the Dawn quest. =)

 

If that helps 

[Magdalena11]

I have never gotten that comment! I must try now! Lol

 

I think that was during my Cullen romance, so it might be one of the romance-specific ones.  He's got a few keen observations about other companions' feelings too.

[Gilli]

I think that was during my Cullen romance, so it might be one of the romance-specific ones.  He's got a few keen observations about other companions' feelings too.

 

I don't think it's a romance based comment, cause I haven't romanced him yet. (Bruce did flirt with him in Haven tho  )

Maybe it's linked to his Lyrium addiction.

[berelinde]

I've never gotten that line. I'm going to have to start heading for Cullen's office first in Skyhold instead of Josephine's.

[Serelir]

I think I got it during the romance, too, but only because I went to Cullen's office every time I returned to Skyhold just to get a kiss. 

 

I started a new character and was really missing Cole's observations about everything. I had to hurry through so I could get him in my party.

[rayvioletta]

I love hearing Cole freak Blackwall out when he starts talking about things that Beardy certainly isn't keen on discussing

 

Leliana should really recruit him for her spy network. although she does seem to have figured out most of the secrets Cole knows already

[Shienis]

Leliana should really recruit him for her spy network. although she does seem to have figured out most of the secrets Cole knows already

 

Best if he could work in pair with someone who would take notes.  

[Lukas Trevelyan]

 

 

"Uldred marked you, but he didn't make you. You stayed you."

 

 

Reasons why Cole is my absolutely favorite character

[berelinde]

For the first time ever, I conscripted the templars, so I got to talk to Cole in Haven without him being upset about recruiting them as allies, and maybe for the first time ever, I really listened to what he says when talking about how templars feel to him. One thing stood out. He talks about templars feeling older than they look, and says they're always reaching for that other thing, and it keeps the magic out, like when he listens to Varric. He also says that templars are filled with forgotten songs, again, like Varric.

 

It makes me wonder what I'm missing. There's obviously a connection there since he repeats it in the same conversation tree, but something isn't clicking. Is there some kind of spiritual, thematic link between the templars and Varric? Is he some kind of avatar of the Stone, the embodiment of some ancient, primordial magic that resonates through the templars' bodies via the lyrium they ingest? In DAO's Precious Metals side quest, Rogek describes lyrium as proof of the ancestors'/Stone's love. I feel as if I'm tickling the edges of an "aha moment," and it's driving me nuts.

 

Cole is awesome. He tells you all there is to know about each character, but he's too cryptic to be understood. It's as if you're hearing half of a conversation or reading a book with the entire middle ripped out.

[The Oracle]

For the first time ever, I conscripted the templars, so I got to talk to Cole in Haven without him being upset about recruiting them as allies, and maybe for the first time ever, I really listened to what he says when talking about how templars feel to him. One thing stood out. He talks about templars feeling older than they look, and says they're always reaching for that other thing, and it keeps the magic out, like when he listens to Varric. He also says that templars are filled with forgotten songs, again, like Varric.

 

It makes me wonder what I'm missing. There's obviously a connection there since he repeats it in the same conversation tree, but something isn't clicking. Is there some kind of spiritual, thematic link between the templars and Varric? Is he some kind of avatar of the Stone, the embodiment of some ancient, primordial magic that resonates through the templars' bodies via the lyrium they ingest? In DAO's Precious Metals side quest, Rogek describes lyrium as proof of the ancestors'/Stone's love. I feel as if I'm tickling the edges of an "aha moment," and it's driving me nuts.

 

Cole is awesome. He tells you all there is to know about each character, but he's too cryptic to be understood. It's as if you're hearing half of a conversation or reading a book with the entire middle ripped out.

 

Actually, I think it's the regular lyrium that they drink. From everything in game, I'm 99.99% sure that there is a link between the lyrium found growing under Thedas and the reason why Dwarves don't have magic and aren't linked to the Fade. It's like Lyrium is a missing part of the dwarves, something that was once inherent in them that they were cut from. I think perhaps lyrium gives them that connection to the Stone "the Call of the Stone" which is meant to be like a song, the Stone sense that allows them to travel underground, which they lose after being on the surface for so long and also their resistance to magic, which they also lose when being on the surface. The conversations below, I think are allusions to how deeply the Dwarves and Lyrium are connected. There's also a quote I remember (but can't seem to find it right now) where someone says how the Dwarves have been selling their soul (or power? gah, need to find it.) to others. In fact, it may be the reason as to why they're dying out. As they mine it and sell it off to the surface, they become weaker as they lose "the Stone".

 

• Solas:: I am sorry to have bothered you with my questions about your people Varric. I see so much of this world in dreams. Humans, my own people, even qunari. Dwarves alone were lost to me, save scattered fragments of memory where some spirit cared to watch. Now I know why I see so little.
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• Varric: And why is that?
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• Solas:: Dwarves are the severed arm of a once mighty hero, lying in a pool of blood. Undirected. Whatever skill of arms it had, gone forever. Although it might twitch to give the appearance of life, it will never dream.
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• Varric: I'd avoid mentioning that to any Carta, Chuckles. They might not take it the right way.

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• Cole: I like traveling with Dwarves.
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• Varric: Glad to hear it, Kid.
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• Cole: You're quiet, but the old song still echoes inside, almost like Templars

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There's lots more peppered throughout the game. It's really interesting, definitely on par with the Elvhen history reveals. I hope we get to explore it in lots more detail in the next game.

[Caddius]

Amen to everything the Oracle said. (An appropriate name in this instance. )

I've got some notion that the lyrium is either what's left of the Titans, or what fueled the Titans themselves. They're definitely dropping giant hints about the old song.

Old Song: Templars and dwarves, with the common link seeming to be lyrium.

Blightsong: The 'dead whispers that want the door opened', as well as Red Templars. Presumably, the same Calling that Wardens and darkspawn hear.

 

What's curious is we hear lyrium described as the Fade itself made manifest. Odd that the dwarves with their affinity for it don't connect, and that the Templars use lyrium to connect to the 'other thing'. And lyrium is described as living, which has all sorts of disturbing implications for the Fade, especially since we're starting to see red lyrium there, and there's the Whispers in Red Lyrium Codex entry to worry about.

 

The statues in the Western Approach's Codex, the Transformers shout-out, mentions the giant looking for 'the blood of the world', with the Tevinter assuming he means lyrium. But Yavana uses it to refer to dragons.

 

Solas's metaphor is curiously specific. The 'Now I know why I didn't see the dwarves' is seven kinds of alarming. Whenever he went into hibernation, he expected to see the dwarves' dreams. So it would seem whatever cut them off from the Fade happened after. 

 

I'm starting to suspect Gaider left DA to work on the new IP because he wanted to enjoy stringing fans along and trolling us, and have other writers handle giving us the answers he's been hoarding for years. 

[The Oracle]

Yes, and when he says the Dwarves are "lying in a pool of blood" perhaps it's not just a poetic metaphor. What if they truly are lying in a pool of blood, living underground surrounded by lyrium infused stone.? Red lyrium grows from people, takes their flesh and duplicates itself from it, essentially drawing and creating magic from blood. What if regular Lyrium is the same? Essentially a more concentrated form of magic that was drawn from the blood of the Dwarves (or possibly Titans as well, though we definitely need more lore on them), growing from the bodies of the dead underground. And the Dwarves have just been chipping away at this and selling it off to the surface. It also explains how using blood for magic spells gives power equal to using lyrium, because one is essentially the same as the other.

 

Oh sweet Maker! Could you imagine the response of the Dwarves if they find out they've been selling off THE Stone? Chipping away and carting of their Revered Ancestors blood and steadily weakening themselves in the process till they're all but sterile. Man, that would be a kick in the stones (snort, see what I did there?).

 

Aw man, if the next DLC has anything more on Dwarves, Blight and Lyrium, I'll be all over that like hair on Varric's chest.

[PsychoBlonde]

Not a party banter, but today Cullen got a letter from Cole telling him:

 

"Uldred marked you, but he didn't make you. You stayed you."

 

You could hear the relief in Cullen's voice 

 

That's (mild) irritation, not relief.

[MisterJB]

 

I would pay for a DLC which would be nothing but Cole and Kieran having cryptic conversations with each other interrupted by ocasional bouts of being kids.