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[CrutchCricket]

Me too, but i dislike the wimp that Revan has become in SWTOR.

 

And i am tired to kill him with my Sith Juggernaut, but well, i don't play SWTOR anymore, so shall they keep their undead-alwaysreturning-jumpingjack.

He's the opposite of wimp though- he's still Marty Sueish even after his time as PC has passed. He becomes the Bigger Jaws to the Republic and Empire with huge conspiracies, fleets and agents out of nowhere because- Revan. It takes everyone more or less to put him down because- Revan. It stretches things to the point of ridiculousness.

 

I'm neither a fan, nor a hater of Revan but I've definitely seen enough of him. His appearance in the main game was sufficient:

 

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He gets released from the Emperor's prison, but can't deal with the realities of the present and the looming threat so he tries to get up to his old shenanigans again but is defeated and accepts his fate- his time is past.

 

Pffft, The Exile kills a planet before the game starts and is also accidentally eating the Force.

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And is then stabbed in the back and never heard from again (apart from when Revan is rescued, and then she does what he should've done- move on).

 

Not as in your face about it.

[Massa FX]

psstt.... 

 

...this thread isn't about Revan or SWTOR. 

[SardaukarElite]

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And is then stabbed in the back and never heard from again (apart from when Revan is rescued, and then she does what he should've done- move on).

 

See this is why I'm glad I stopped reading game novels after the first Halo ones. KotOR seems to have a particularly odd history of writers messing up each others' characters as well.

 

Killed a planet in backstory is still pretty neat though.

[dreamgazer]

Who got his ass kicked by Jason

>implying a real battle between the two actually exists.

[CrutchCricket]

On the male/female thing- Meer and Hale are both awesome, Shepards of either gender are equally awesome, it comes down to preference.

 

Personally, I play primarily male characters but it also comes down to attachment. Once I've made a character, for me the story is that character's. Trying to make another character to play the same story feels odd.  I only have one Shepard, my playthroughs are varied by romance. I tried making a femShep, she's still stuck on the Citadel after Eden Prime to this day.

 

In TOR my Imperial Agent is female (dat Jo Wyatt voice) and trying to make a male agent would be weird. So it goes both ways.

[Commandr_Shepard]

Btw, i am one of the males who, too, can't really enjoy playing a female character.

I tend to identify myself with the character sooner or later.

Thats the reason i also never made it to finish the game as paragon.

But thats why shepard IS special for many people (and for others not).

 

As i wrote in the other thread, Shepard is special because everyone was able to put alot of personal emotions and characteristics into his role.

No matter if you play him like your real-life-self or roleplay different stuff

 

He/she had to do some things to keep the game going, but it was the player who made him/her  a special shepard (or not).

 

(and until the stupid ending, but well *cough* anyway)

 

You've never been able to play paragon? I've played these games way to many times over and seen it all. That said. I usually choose paragon first playthroughs, then renegade for some strange reason.

 

And you've got a good point on "Shepard is special because everyone was able to put alot of personal emotions and characteristics into his role.

No matter if you play him like your real-life-self or roleplay different stuff"

[CrutchCricket]

psstt.... 

 

...this thread isn't about Revan or SWTOR. 

Doesn't matter. Thread is being hijacked. Because Revan.

 

 

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I'm aware of the irony

[Commandr_Shepard]

The dark side of the force is strong with this one.

 

[Commandr_Shepard]

On the male/female thing- Meer and Hale are both awesome, Shepards of either gender are equally awesome, it comes down to preference.

 

Personally, I play primarily male characters but it also comes down to attachment. Once I've made a character, for me the story is that character's. Trying to make another character to play the same story feels odd.  I only have one Shepard, my playthroughs are varied by romance. I tried making a femShep, she's still stuck on the Citadel after Eden Prime to this day.

 

[Commandr_Shepard]

I hope I haven't scared any of you away. I only troll the multiplayer section. Come back.

 

[KaiserShep]

I actually like Hawke more than Shepard, so I think they can give me a protagonist I can enjoy just fine.

[themikefest]

I actually like Hawke more than Shepard, so I think they can give me a protagonist I can enjoy just fine.

sarcastic femHawke was the best

[Blackguard]

You've never been able to play paragon?

 

No, in over 400 hours that i spend on all parts of ME i never could bear it for more than 4-5 hours.

Usually i deleted the save and started fresh.

With my Shepard, which you can see to the left... he always looked like that (could get quite close even in ME 1).

He romanced always Tali but one time Jack, then i only watched the other romances on youtube.

 

I guess that tells something about my mental state, but... *shrugs*

[Zazzerka]

sarcastic femHawke was the best

 

Can't hold a candle to Boulton's version of the "stung by a bee" dialogue, though.

[Commandr_Shepard]

I actually like Hawke more than Shepard, so I think they can give me a protagonist I can enjoy just fine.

 

sarcastic femHawke was the best

 

 

I hope you two are right. I never played any other BioWare game. So I'm very concerned.

[KaiserShep]

sarcastic femHawke was the best

Yeah, sarcHawke was basically like the renegade, only easier going and said far less stupid stuff, and even had a better speech.

[AresKeith]

>implying a real battle between the two actually exists.

 

He's also the better Mortal Kombat guest character over Freddy

[Commandr_Shepard]

No, in over 400 hours that i spend on all parts of ME i never could bear it for more than 4-5 hours.

Usually i deleted the save and started fresh.

With my Shepard, which you can see to the left... he always looked like that (could get quite close even in ME 1).

He romanced always Tali but one time Jack, then i only watched the other romances on youtube.

 

I guess that tells something about my mental state, but... *shrugs*

 

Oh, I thought he was a KotOR character. I usually always keep the default character looks, since it's always on the cover and in all media as well. I also enjoyed how male Shepard looked like from the start. Very much so, in fact.

 

I've romanced all. but my fave is still Miranda. Still can't believe her VA looks identical.

 

[Boost32]

Yeah, sarcHawke was basically like the renegade, only easier going and said far less stupid stuff, and even had a better speech.

Sarcastic Hawke didn't said anything stupid? Lol everything he/she said was stupid, cant take that personality serious.

Agressive male Hawke > all.

[MrFob]

The trick here is a simple one: Make the new character not better but different. Cmdr. Shepard was ultimately a typical hero character. Started out as a generic soldier who through circumstance and ability got put in a unique and important position. Even when s/he lost the direct connection to the factions s/he started out with, s/he continued to work for their values in one way or another and in the end, s/he was the centerpiece of huge galactic events.

 

That was a great plot and it worked very well for Shepard and the trilogy.

 

However, I think the OP is completely correct in the fact that this feat can and should not be repeated (at least not at this point). I hope and expect that the new character will have a very different set of abilities and background circumstances. Whatever it may be, I very much doubt we will see another classic hero in the next game.

Whether we'll see a scoundrel, who is mainly out on his/her own, a morally grey-ish secret agent type or an outright outlaw, who knows (ideally that will even be up to the player) but I do hope that the story will stay away from the typical hero archetypes that the trilogy used so efficiently and so deliberately. A more personal and low key story would suit well to set a new and unique tone within the new scenario. That is not to say that the stakes can't be high and the enemies we fight can't be  dangerous. The main difference should rather be that we are more out of the public eye and that the consequences of our actions are vast for us (and those we know) but maybe not so much for everyone else. I think the new scenario with a vast unexplored and possibly undeveloped area of space, where civilization is not as well established as it was in the Milky Way lends itself well for such a story and I hope BW will capitalize on that potential.

[Malleficae]

Sarcastic Hawke didn't said anything stupid? Lol everything he/she said was stupid, cant take that personality serious.

Agressive male Hawke > all.

 

NotFullyButMostlySarcasticFemaleHawke > everything.

 

Also, I don't like Shepard. No personality. I miss Tali and Garrus. Lemme play immortal Tali pls. c:

[Altair_ShepardN7]

I just came by to leave this gif.

 

I've romanced all. but my fave is still Miranda. Still can't believe her VA looks identical.

 

I never liked Miranda, her face always reminded me of Michael Jackson for some damned reason. The only character I've romanced is Tali, since I can't stand Liara's voice (zzz...), I'm not into Jack's type, and I could never stand Ashley with those huge lips of her (her lips remind me of a pre-calculus professor I had in college) and that hair she had in ME3 which did not fitted her and looked really bad. 

[Massa FX]

FemShep rules them all.

[Commandr_Shepard]

Well, since the universe is so large; Would you guys be fine with an NPC that looks, talks and acts like Commander Shepard return in ME:A? I'm not sure myself, other then I'll miss Commander Shepard.

[Blackguard]

 A more personal and low key story would suit well to set a new and unique tone within the new scenario. That is not to say that the stakes can't be high and the enemies we fight can't be  dangerous. The main difference should rather be that we are more out of the public eye and that the consequences of our actions are vast for us (and those we know) but maybe not so much for everyone else. I think the new scenario with a vast unexplored and possibly undeveloped area of space, where civilization is not as well established as it was in the Milky Wau lends itself well for such a story and I hope BW will capitalize on that potential.

 

That is the main issue with bioware in these games in my opinion.

Or maybe with the players, too, if they are right?

You GOT to be the Superhero-Villian-Whatever.

The savior or destroyer of the universe.

I find this so tiresome (because they use this in any francise).

 

Is that really what the players want? Look at SWTOR, it is the best example how to complete mess things up.

Every char is an idol... the universe is full of it... what a stupid, dull, childish setting it is noiw storywise, at least to me.

 

I don't now if the players really want to be the uber-character, but i  know for sure and from own experience,

that it is not necessary to tell a half-way compelling story.

 

I understand that it has to be a kind of leader, because you need that to keep your companions follow your orders and no one wants to spent 100+ hours with getting ordered by a npc (albeit we could argue if "collect 10x squarrelpoo here and kill 10x blue spacecavy is soo much better).

But the captain of a small scout-unit, or the half-rogue mercenary-leader in the service of some general or whatever.

Keep that crap low and focus on the enviroment, the new world and the characters.

THEN you can even let the players made different decisions and take them over to a sequel.

There is no need that you let those decisions affect the whole freaking way of the galaxie.

 

That would be so fresh and would give Bioware so much freedom that... i am afraid it won't happen.

Maybe it doesn't fits in EAs glorious plans for the gamingworlddomination.

But i would be glad to be surprised in 18 months, i would really be.