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[Maniccc]

@ maniccc ( don't want to quote your entire replay)

As we see universe presented in ME1-3 lore, we may see that it has same roots as this one from witch Star Trek originated, based on knowledge from late fifties. There "is our galaxy and beyond it there is dark space" There is no single reference that Universe might be bigger than our galaxy and some deep dark space beyond that. One more thing except alarians we humans are perceived as extremely short living species. Asari Krogans live thousand years i do not know how racni or proteans live but leviathans live millions of years. Same long lifespan might have had many harvested races. For all of them Universe is open. All of them  may travel to Andromeda or far beyond with FTL within lifespan. I do not understand why Asari didn't flee there at first reapers sight. So again story has big hole in it because catalyst is extremely local solution to organics vs synthetics conflict. all previous conflicts might have had spread from our galaxy and even come back after reapers are gone. So we may encounter millions of remnants of those conflicts in Andromeda 

Yes, exactly.  The entire move to Andromeda only creates more problems for the writers.  However, they will ignore these problems, and hope that most people do as well (and I'm confident most people will ignore the problems).  But for me, as it concerns the TC's question, I am not the sort of person who ignores these problems.

[KaiserShep]

I suspect it will sell well, and almost no one will care about the horrible writing because most people are dumb and take joy in inferior products.

Yeah, just look at all the love the forum gives to ME2.

[Andrew Lucas]

You can say that about any shooter, though.
 
But why should it be called "Mass Effect"?

Because it's Mass Effect, the endings won't suffer any changes, and you should move on because it's been three years, if you can't, go to other section if Andromeda isn't Mass Effect for you.

[KaiserShep]

You can say that about any shooter, though.

But why should it be called "Mass Effect"?

A more relevant question is: why shouldn't it be called Mass Effect?

The defining characteristic of Mass Effect is the phenomena for which the franchise is named. As long as that exists, what name would you consider more applicable?

[Iakus]

A more relevant question is: why shouldn't it be called Mass Effect?

The defining characteristic of Mass Effect is the phenomena for which the franchise is named. As long as that exists, what name would you consider more applicable?

Except the post I was responding to said, in defense of not retiring the franchise, that "People will buy it" as the only defense needed.

 

My response is people will buy any new shooter that comes down the pike.  So why does it have to be Mass Effect? 

[Iakus]

Nope, but it probably wouldn't diminish the franchise's value, either, considering the inconsistencies, lore clashes, and other hand-waved elements throughout the entire trilogy (yes, including ME1). 

Yeah, that's not encouraging at all.

 

I'd hate to think I'm in the wrong for actually wanting quality to increase

[Valkyrja]

Iakus, it just isn't healthy to have this kind of abusive relationship with a video game franchise or developer. You need to move on.

[dreamgazer]

Yeah, that's not encouraging at all.

 

I'd hate to think I'm in the wrong for actually wanting quality to increase

 

Nothing wrong with wanting quality to increase, at all.  

 

Nothing wrong with keeping a rational perspective on the level of quality that's come before it, either, and keeping one's biases in check. 

[Iakus]

Nothing wrong with wanting quality to increase, at all.  

 

Nothing wrong with keeping a rational perspective on the level of quality that's come before it, either, and keeping one's biases in check. 

 

I think wanting something of higher quality than ME3 (and even ME2 and ME1 for that matter) isn't an irrational desire.

[dreamgazer]

I think wanting something of higher quality than ME3 (and even ME2 and ME1 for that matter) isn't an irrational desire.

 

It's not, so long as you keep a rational grip on your parameters for "higher quality".

 

Because even the series' first installment, the foundation of the franchise's existence, is crammed full of contrived bullcrap ... and no, not just the world-building. 

[Dantriges]

@ maniccc ( don't want to quote your entire replay)

As we see universe presented in ME1-3 lore, we may see that it has same roots as this one from witch Star Trek originated, based on knowledge from late fifties. There "is our galaxy and beyond it there is dark space" There is no single reference that Universe might be bigger than our galaxy and some deep dark space beyond that.

One more thing except salarians, we humans are perceived as extremely short living species. Asari, Krogans live thousand years I do not know how long racni or proteans live but leviathans live millions of years. Same long lifespan might have had many harvested races. For all of them Universe is open. All of them  may travel to Andromeda or far beyond with FTL within lifespan. I do not understand why Asari didn't flee there at first reapers sight.

So again story has big hole in it because catalyst was created by race of leviatans who can easily travel far beyond local cluster of galaxies and it has "solution" fixed to just our galaxy?

All previous conflicts might have had spread from our galaxy and even come back after reapers are gone. So we may encounter millions of remnants of those conflicts in Andromeda perhaps super intelligent synthetics from previous cycles.

. or... Reapers are universal solution and they are almost everywhere in the universe and we killed small portion of them.

 

I thought the galactics didn´t go there because of the vast distance and they had this discharge problem until now anyways. If the ARK jumps through a wormhole, the discharge thing is still a problem. And well it´s probably a funding thing.

 

Reapers? We only know that it seems they don´t discharge but sometimes it appears as if they have a charge. Could be that they build up a charge but slower. Perhaps they can dump the charge into a mass relay at the beginning of transit or something like that. At the moment we only know that they can go for a few years without discharging or it could be that they don´t have to. But we don´t know for sure. 

 

We probably find out if travel to Andromeda is only time consuming but easy when the game comes out.

[AlanC9]

You can say that about any shooter, though.
 
But why should it be called "Mass Effect"?

Looks like Mass Effect to me. Do I need other criteria?

[AlanC9]

I thought the galactics didn´t go there because of the vast distance and they had this discharge problem until now anyways. If the ARK jumps through a wormhole, the discharge thing is still a problem.

How come?

[GaroTD]

I still don't get it why everybody says that ME:A will happen before ending of ME3. Like how do you know that?

[AlanC9]

I still don't get it why everybody says that ME:A will happen before ending of ME3. Like how do you know that?

Because there's no benefit for moving to Andromeda if you aren't ducking the ME3 choices.

[Iakus]

It's not, so long as you keep a rational grip on your parameters for "higher quality".

 

Because even the series' first installment, the foundation of the franchise's existence, is crammed full of contrived bullcrap ... and no, not just the world-building. 

And this is why I kept saying ME2 and ME3 could have built upon the contrived stuff making it not-so-contrived.  Build on the Cipher and find out more about how it works so it's not such mystical mumbo-jumbo (might have been a perfect reason for TIM to take an interest in Shep, rather than "You're a symbol" nonsense.  Actually acknowledge missteps and try to correct them and improve upon the series as a whole.

 

Heck that's part of what makes me so down on the franchise, the complete unwillingness to recognise the flaws and work to improve them

 

As opposed to just piling more nonsensical cr*p on top of the cr*p that already exists.

[Iakus]

Looks like Mass Effect to me. Do I need other criteria?

Did it?

 

Without the N7 logo, that trailer could have been for anything.

[GaroTD]

There is huge benefit. New freaking galaxy to explore , leaving ME endings mess behind.

[dreamgazer]

And this is why I kept saying ME2 and ME3 could have built upon the contrived stuff making it not-so-contrived.  Build on the Cipher and find out more about how it works so it's not such mystical mumbo-jumbo (might have been a perfect reason for TIM to take an interest in Shep, rather than "You're a symbol" nonsense.  Actually acknowledge missteps and try to correct them and improve upon the series as a whole.

 

That's your bias talking, sir. Had ME2 and ME3 not existed, all we'd have is the contrived bullcrap within ME1.  

 

It wasn't the later installments' job to fix ME1's nonsense ... what of it they could actually fix, that is. 

[elrofrost]

Few people have complained about Shepard and Co not coming back. How about you read what people say before you start mocking them? 

Exactly. I'm not concerned Shepard and company aren't coming back. I'm concerned that BW is gonna throw out (or somehow change) all the lore. If it's a reboot, then call it a reboot.

 

What they seem to be doing is keeping the ME name hoping to lure ME fans. Being a "fan" I don't expect to see Shepard. But I do except the past to be acknowledged in the Codex, or something. Or come up with a credible reason why it's isn't. 

[GaroTD]

I think you analyze this waaay too much.

[pdusen]

And this is why I kept saying ME2 and ME3 could have built upon the contrived stuff making it not-so-contrived.  Build on the Cipher and find out more about how it works so it's not such mystical mumbo-jumbo (might have been a perfect reason for TIM to take an interest in Shep, rather than "You're a symbol" nonsense.  Actually acknowledge missteps and try to correct them and improve upon the series as a whole.

 

Heck that's part of what makes me so down on the franchise, the complete unwillingness to recognise the flaws and work to improve them

 

As opposed to just piling more nonsensical cr*p on top of the cr*p that already exists.

 

Has it occurred to you that you're blowing the issues way out of proportion?

[Iakus]

That's your bias talking, sir. Had ME2 and ME3 not existed, all we'd have is the contrived bullcrap within ME1.  

 

It wasn't the later installments' job to fix ME1's nonsense ... what of it they could actually fix, that is. 

Yes.

 

But you see, after ME1, I had ME2 and ME3 to look forward to.  Answers to the headscratchers that it left behind.  More stuff to develop.  Questions to answer.  Like Lost or BSG.  

 

Sadly, like both those series, it failed to live up to the promise.