1395 réponses à ce sujet

[Dantriges]

Sovereign said lots of things.

"Our numbers will darken the sky of every world."

 

They did, he never said "at the same time."

[Drone223]

More so when they canonize an ending.

Bioware have canonized certain choices before i.e. Udina becomes the councilor regardless. so make one of the endings canon isn't out of the question for them.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Bioware have canonized certain choices before i.e. Udina becomes the councilor regardless. so make one of the endings canon isn't out of the question for them.

 

Wrong. They didn't canonize the choice, they just had two versions that culminated in the same result in the third game. Or do you want to tell me that Udina is councilor in ME2 if you picked Anderson in ME1?

[LinksOcarina]

Wrong. They didn't canonize the choice, they just had two versions that culminated in the same result in the third game. Or do you want to tell me that Udina is councilor in ME2 if you picked Anderson in ME1?

 

Revan and the Exile then?

 

It was a decade ago though but still...

[themikefest]

I'd prefer a hard reboot. Just throw out the reapers, and reset the setting to the period post-First Contact war. 

I would redo the trilogy by bringing back the same characters. Have ME1 take place in 2283 instead of 2183. ME2 would involve a mission to darkspace and finding plans to stop the reapers. ME3 would be gather forces to prepare for the reapers

[DaemionMoadrin]

Revan and the Exile then?

 

It was a decade ago though but still...

 

KotOR2 wasn't even a BioWare game. Not sure what you want with it.

[dreamgazer]

"We are each a nation. Independent. Free of all weakness"

... who abide by a cycle of extinction every 50k years and, if the lore's to be taken at face value, just sit there and hibernate until the next one. All to "impose order over the chaos of organic evolution".

Uh-huh.

[In Exile]

... who abide by a cycle of extinction every 50k years and, if the lore's to be taken at face value, just sit there and hibernate until the next one. All to "impose order over the chaos of organic evolution".

Uh-huh.

It's all buzzword salad uttered by a not particularly convincing Bond villain. The "each a nation" line is nonsense too. Unless they're a kind of hive mind, but then Sovereign's entire presentation doesn't make sense. Devoting any thought to the reapers is just a failing proposition.

[Drone223]

Wrong. They didn't canonize the choice, they just had two versions that culminated in the same result in the third game. Or do you want to tell me that Udina is councilor in ME2 if you picked Anderson in ME1?

It doesn't make much of a difference, Udina gets the position regardless by the time of retribution so the choice is rather meaningless in the end.

[DaemionMoadrin]

It doesn't make much of a difference, Udina gets the position regardless by the time of retribution so the choice is rather meaningless in the end.

 

FFS... ok. Imagine it's election day. Candidate A wins, holds the position for ~2 years and then retires because of personal reasons. Former candidate B gets the position. In what world is that the same as candidate B winning the election?

 

You claim BioWare canonized the choice, which is obviously completely wrong. Don't try to argue, the facts are against you.

[dreamgazer]

Karpyshyn canonized Anderson's surrender of political authority, to which ME3 reflected. Everything before that was allowed to be divergent, for all that was worth. Both Anderson and Udina, and both the old and new council, were powerless to the plot's "Ah yes, Reapers", two-years-later agenda, anyway. Anderson repeatedly suggested he was wrong for the position, too.

The councilor stuff was a moot mess long before Karpyshyn "fixed" it in the novels.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Karpyshyn canonized Anderson's surrender of political authority, to which ME3 reflected. Everything before that was allowed to be divergent, for all that was worth. Both Anderson and Udina, and both the old and new council, were powerless to the plot's "Ah yes, Reapers", two-years-later agenda, anyway. Anderson repeatedly suggested he was wrong for the position, too.

The councilor stuff was a moot mess long before Karpyshyn "fixed" it in the novels.

 

Doesn't matter. The choice is not canon, only the final result is.

[dreamgazer]

Doesn't matter. The choice is not canon, only the final result is.

Basically, but ME2 didn't do the other path any favors, and Karpyshyn's novel pulled the canon trigger. ME3 adapted.

[aliastasia]

To answer the original question, I'm not throwing Andromeda under the bus, but based on three previous CE pre-order customer experiences I will sure as hell not purchase the game until I've read actual player reviews.
I am over the ending. I was a long time ago, and even more after I installed John's MEHEM.
I am not over BioWare's outright lying to customers, and their growing contempt of their user base, last demonstrated with the user digs in Citadel and the Extended Cut DLC, and DA:I's marketing campaign of "For PC gamers BY PC gamers", which was utter horsesh1t.
Neither am I big on the whole new levels of meaningless to-do's that was DA:I- even though DA:I and ME are different franchises, they are based on, and built on BioWare's history of solid storylines in their games, and those have been really been diluted the last few years. 
So - I am not throwing Andromeda under the bus, but I'm one of the gamers who spent a lot of money on BioWare games and their franchise items and I am just not into being called entitled or demanding when I do not get what I was promised (No ABC endings, for PC gamers BY PC gamers, etc), or get to be met with a wall of silence when there are technical issues with a release, like they did with DA:I

I prefer gaming over watching TV - it's where I go to relax, clear my head. I am more than willing to pay for good gaming experiences, but that also means that as a paying customer with a good job and regular paycheck, I, or my fellow users don't get called names, met with contempt or silence  when there are genuine issues with a released product.

So for me it's wait and see - if it gets a 9 or a 10 from critics, but i.e a 5 from actual gamers, I won't be picking it up.

/A

[LinksOcarina]

KotOR2 wasn't even a BioWare game. Not sure what you want with it.

 

Who said I was talking about KotoR 2?

 

The Old Republic pretty much canonized several aspects from Knights of the Old Republic regarding Revan.

[spirosz]

Mass Effect trilogy happened. 

[spirosz]

Who said I was talking about KotoR 2?

 

The Old Republic pretty much canonized several aspects from Knights of the Old Republic regarding Revan.

 

Don't bring that up, please.

 

I tried erasing that foolishness. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

Who said I was talking about KotoR 2?

 

The Old Republic pretty much canonized several aspects from Knights of the Old Republic regarding Revan.

 

Uh, the part with "a decade ago"? Or have you been playing SW:TOR for 10 years already?

[AlanC9]

Of course, the fact that it was only a few years ago just makes his point more valid.

[Drone223]

Doesn't matter. The choice is not canon, only the final result is.

But choice is pointless in the end though, it had no effect on the story what-so-ever.

[dragonflight288]

Who said I was talking about KotoR 2?

 

The Old Republic pretty much canonized several aspects from Knights of the Old Republic regarding Revan.

 

Yet it's established that The Old Republic is NOT canon.

[AlanC9]

Yet it's established that The Old Republic is NOT canon.

Well, yeah, since nothing in the EU is canon anymore. But that doesn't have anything to do with how Bio handles canon.

[AlanC9]

FFS... ok. Imagine it's election day. Candidate A wins, holds the position for ~2 years and then retires because of personal reasons. Former candidate B gets the position. In what world is that the same as candidate B winning the election?
 
You claim BioWare canonized the choice, which is obviously completely wrong. Don't try to argue, the facts are against you.

I concur. This isn't a case of Bio picking a canon choice. It's worse. It's Bio grinding distinct choices into indistinguishable mush. Made somewhat tolerable in this case because the choices were dopey in the first place -- although I suppose the all-human council isn't a choice per se.

[dragonflight288]

Well, yeah, since nothing in the EU is canon anymore. But that doesn't have anything to do with how Bio handles canon.

 

And yet a non-canon game was used to showcase how they handle canon.

 

Makes sense.... 

[Sifr]

Sovereign said lots of things.

 

"We have no beginning. We have no end."

 

"Our numbers will darken the sky of every world."

 

lol

 

"Then we shall fight in the shade..."