Me3 was actually called that.
Of course. Part of getting an increasing budget for a series means you're going to have aim for a wider audience to keep the game feasible. It will have to be accessible for newcomers to a degree anyways to make up for fanbase attrition.
^Still, even with that marketing, I never really felt like ME3 was this isolated story which had nothing to do with either game.
Slow burn is one thing. Mass Effect doesn't even have the fire set to low though.
A slow burn should have me look back on previous experiences and say "oh I get it, that's how this all fits together". Mass Effect doesn't even do that. I personally haven't watched Babylon V, but you said yourself: big reveal, full implications, etc, implying that they build on what came before.
There isn't even a slow build up to it. In retrospect, this could have been a very interesting series in terms of playing with identity. Shepard has trouble differentiating himself from his newly established Prothean Cipher in ME1. He could potentially start wondering if he was a clone/having fake memories/ is he really Commander Shepard in ME2 after Lazarus. And ME3 would have been the full weight of all this coming to a head. That would have been awesome.
But Mass Effect 1 should have left me saying "Wow, I loved what they did with the Cipher in ME1, can't wait to see that explored further in ME2". Unfortunately, we can't get that because the Cipher itself did absolutely nothing in character terms, whether subtle or overt.
Funny, because that's what ME1 did leave me with. Shepard's only weapon in finding a way to stop the Reapers is the "perspective" of the last race to fight them. Any number of things could have been done with that. Me3's From Ashes only scratched the surface. Including, yes, playing with identity. ME1 did tell us Shepard was suffering from nightmares following the beacon, but sadly it was a case we where we were told rather than shown. Lack of budget? Another case of not thinking things through?> We may never know.
^Still, even with that marketing, I never really felt like ME3 was this isolated story which had nothing to do with either game.
You didn't romance Ash, did you? 
No lore to violate since it's an entirely nonsensical asspull about a creature we've never encountered before, literally handwaved as such.
If some random "truly strange and alien" method accomplishes the same thing with traveling to Andromeda, how is it any different?
I like you. You make sense.
There's no mystery. The Cipher is total gibberish and it served out its plot role. There's nothing to explore. Bioware could have written a plot that required more working knowledge of the Protheans - and Shepard could be hand-waved to have it because "Cipher" - but that's no less of a nonsensical and contrived plot than the Lazarus Project. Which is Bioware again catering to RPG gamers complaints and getting trashed for it (which is likely why they approached the ME3 intro as they did).Why? If it's a trilogy, some mysteries should take longer to unravel than others.
I just finished reading Leviathan Wakes. I'm not p*ssed that there's some loose ends, because there are other volumes in the series.
Actually the problem people have with ME:A is that a lot of the established lore is going to be thrown away to the point that Bioware might as well start a new IP instead.
"Lore" is not something that is thrown away. It is easy for it to become irrelevant though especially when moving from one storyline to the next. Shepard's storyline is not what ME:A is going to be about. That does not mean all of the lore from the previous games will become irrelevant though.
But nevertheless i'll stick to what you said. It is therefore an assumption that established lore "is going to be thrown away." There is no fact that anyone here can quote which can prove what you have posted either way.
So it sounds like people are expecting ME:A to hold to 100% of the lore from the previous storyline while taking place in a new galaxy, with a new PC, new crew, new enemies and maybe even new races. Am i right in saying that? or am i wrong? Are they to produce a brand new game, without fast-tracking any sort of unique lore/stories that will cement the game's depth and background?
These things qualifies as expectations so please see my previous post. thanks.
There's no mystery. The Cipher is total gibberish and it served out its plot role. There's nothing to explore. Bioware could have written a plot that required more working knowledge of the Protheans - and Shepard could be hand-waved to have it because "Cipher" - but that's no less of a nonsensical and contrived plot than the Lazarus Project. Which is Bioware again catering to RPG gamers complaints and getting trashed for it (which is likely why they approached the ME3 intro as they did).
Right. The Cipher is essentially a KotOR Star Map. The problem is the Star Map was, well, a map, where as the Cipher is essentially space magic with some dramatic implications filling the same role. It should be character-changing, much like the Lazarus Project.
"Lore" is not something that is thrown away. It is easy for it to become irrelevant though especially when moving from one storyline to the next. Shepard's storyline is not what ME:A is going to be about. That does not mean all of the lore from the previous games will become irrelevant though.
But nevertheless i'll stick to what you said. It is therefore an assumption that established lore "is going to be thrown away." There is no fact that anyone here can quote which can prove what you have posted either way.
So it sounds like people are expecting ME:A to hold to 100% of the lore from the previous storyline while taking place in a new galaxy, with a new PC, new crew, new enemies and maybe even new races. Am i right in saying that? or am i wrong? Are they to produce a brand new game, without fast-tracking any sort of unique lore/stories that will cement the game's depth and background?
These things qualifies as expectations so please see my previous post. thanks.
Bioware seems intent on pretending the trilogy never happened otherwise they wouldn't be setting the game in another galaxy.
Right. The Cipher is essentially a KotOR Star Map. The problem is the Star Map was, well, a map, where as the Cipher is essentially space magic with some dramatic implications filling the same role. It should be character-changing, much like the Lazarus Project.
A bit of quibbling, but the Cipher would be only one part of the Star Map, the rest being Liara, the location of the Mu Relay, and Saren's intact beacon.
But yes, it should be (potentially) character-changing, as the Lazarus Project should be. But it's not. At the very least it should have had plot relevance further down the line.
Bioware seems intent on pretending the trilogy never happened otherwise they wouldn't be setting the game in another galaxy.
Depends on how often people discuss the Milky Way, the reason they left, and the hardship in getting there. It also depends on exactly when they departed and how legendary Shepard was at that time. If it's a Reaper ark situation, then it'll be pretty darn tough to "forget" the trilogy.
Regardless, the stuff that happened in the Milky Way will be part of the Andromeda travelers' history.
What happen in the Milky way will have no relevance in another galaxy so it'll just fade away into obscurity so what happened there might as well not happened in the first place.
andromeda is really friggin far away
What happen in the Milky way will have no relevance in another galaxy so it'll just fade away into obscurity so what happened there might as well not happened in the first place.
Why will it have no relevance? The stuff that happened in the Milky Way will be the reason they went to Andromeda in the first place.
No it won't, what significance would historic events such as the first contact war, rachni wars, krogan rebellions and morning war have in another galaxy pretty much none.
No it won't, what significance would historic events such as the first contact war, rachni wars, krogan rebellions and morning war have in another galaxy pretty much none.
Events occurring in the past can shape the attitudes of beings in the future. You are presuming they wont because of location.
I am calling bull on that, that's not how people think. I guarantee folks will bring up the rebellions or the first contact war while in Andromeda. It is inevitable.
Events occurring in the past can shape the attitudes of beings in the future. You are presuming they wont because of location.
I am calling bull on that, that's not how people think. I guarantee folks will bring up the rebellions or the first contact war while in Andromeda. It is inevitable.
Then explain what effects the rachni wars, first contact war and krogan rebellions will have Andromeda then?
Then explain what effects the rachni wars, first contact war and krogan rebellions will have Andromeda then?
How the Krogans, Turians, Humans, Asari and Salarians behave with each other. Inter-species politics based on past history doesn't just go away overnight, especially in sci-fi worlds. And certainly if they are attempting to colonize another planet.Everyone is going to likely demand priority for their own species in some form while out in the elements, so to speak. You don't think past politics will not come up in that way?
I have yet to be let down by any of the Mass Effect games and I truly loved Mass Effect 3 the game was amazing and fun to play through
How the Krogans, Turians, Humans, Asari and Salarians behave with each other. Inter-species politics based on past history doesn't just go away overnight, especially in sci-fi worlds. And certainly if they are attempting to colonize another planet.Everyone is going to likely demand priority for their own species in some form while out in the elements, so to speak. You don't think past politics will not come up in that way?
What about the species native to Andromeda? Why should they care about the rachni wars, first contact war and morning war since none of that happen in their galaxy.
Then explain what effects the rachni wars, first contact war and krogan rebellions will have Andromeda then?
No one knows what effects we'll see, and that includes you.
I was referring to species native to Andromeda, why should they care about the rachni wars, first contact war and morning war since none of that happen in their galaxy.
True, but that is missing the point entirely then regarding those events and their importance to the species where that matters.
For all we know, there is a history and culture we will discover that has a long-standing war with another species that we stumble on? Should we know about the particulars? Should we pick a side or stay neutral?
This time around were the fish out of water in a frontier. Our personal politics between the milky way species will be an issue, and our politics with those in Andromeda will be something else entirely.But to say that they will ignore established history of the Milky Way is disingenuous; that only matters to the Milky Way aliens, not the Andromedans, and it will be brought up i'm sure.
Events occurring in the past can shape the attitudes of beings in the future. You are presuming they wont because of location.
I am calling bull on that, that's not how people think. I guarantee folks will bring up the rebellions or the first contact war while in Andromeda. It is inevitable.
how often do you bring up the trip ******-sapiens took when moving from africa in day to day situations? We know this is taking place far into the future, if this is say 20,000 years into the future with hundreds of galactic wars waged in between. the reaper war would have become nothing more the a heavily changed myth. your making a lot of assumptions with time frame if they leave before the war ends there is a billion ways to handwave massive time spans ftl travel cryosleep maybe an on board breeding program while in cryosleep to make sure populations are available for colonization saving food energy and recourses. if they leave after the time frame itself can be a handwave. with all endings leading to an eventual singular point many thousands of years in the future even possible small evolutions to freshen up the races of newcomers to be on a similar plain as others. humans have better biotics and no longer require implants, krogans are less violent, etc etc. Basically you can BS your way into anything and have it make enough sense for the masses.
for the record i'm part of the masses
not counting religious texts, what thing from more then a couple hundred years ago do we talk about in public with random people
ha nevermind you might get a cult called the church of the shepard led by a krogan
We know this is taking place far into the future, if this is say 20,000 years into the future with hundreds of galactic wars waged in between.
I know you're just using it as an example, but it's infinitely more likely that less than 100 years have passed.
how often do you bring up the trip ******-sapiens took when moving from africa in day to day situations? We know this is taking place far into the future, if this is say 20,000 years into the future with hundreds of galactic wars waged in between. the reaper war would have become nothing more the a heavily changed myth. your making a lot of assumptions with time frame if they leave before the war ends there is a billion ways to handwave massive time spans ftl travel cryosleep maybe an on board breeding program while in cryosleep to make sure populations are available for colonization saving food energy and recourses. if they leave after the time frame itself can be a handwave. with all endings leading to an eventual singular point many thousands of years in the future even possible small evolutions to freshen up the races of newcomers to be on a similar plain as others. humans have better biotics and no longer require implants, krogans are less violent, etc etc. Basically you can BS your way into anything and have it make enough sense for the masses.
for the record i'm part of the masses
not counting religious texts, what thing from more then a couple hundred years ago do we talk about in public with random people
ha nevermind you might get a cult called the church of the shepard led by a krogan
Also true.
But they are also educated guesses on the timeframe. I expect at most, 300 years pass, and even then that is the high end on the assumptions.
Of course it's all speculation, although considering the way they talk about the Rachni Wars which happened in 1 CE earth time (2000 years almost) or the Krogan Rebellions which began in 700 CE (1500 years give or take) then who knows in the end what will happen. After all, Krogan and Asari do live long times and have elephant memories...
They won't care. But why should we care that they don't care? Last time I checked, the PC comes from a Milky Way race.What about the species native to Andromeda? Why should they care about the rachni wars, first contact war and morning war since none of that happen in their galaxy.
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