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[blahblahblah]

And this is a good thing how?

Its inconsistent to begin with, why do we bother if they abandon Milky Way? 

 

No it wasn't, people are okay with biotics and element zero because they make sense within the universe. People have a lot of problems with Lazarus project and synthesis because they are inconsistent with the lore are called Bioware out on them, if Bioware continue to be inconsistent with their lore they should be called out on it.

Its okay because it's Rule of Cool like the Force and Lightsabers, lol. They never ever explain how they even work and many people are just accepting them. Mass Effect is much more of Future Fantasy than Sci-fi.

[Drone223]

Its inconsistent to begin with, why do we bother if they abandon Milky Way? 

 

Inconsistency leads to contrivances which is considered bad writing.

 

Its okay because it's Rule of Cool like the Force and Lightsabers, lol. .

 

Rule of cool doesn't excuse bad writing and contrivances its style over substance.

 

They never ever explain how they even work and many people are just accepting them.

 

Except for the many codex entries that explain a lot about the technology and biology of the ME series and how they work.

 

Mass Effect is much more of Future Fantasy than Sci-fi.

 

Mass Effect was never future fantasy why do you think people complained about Lazarus project and synthesis?

[blahblahblah]

Inconsistency leads to contrivances which is considered bad writing.

 

Rule of cool doesn't excuse bad writing and contrivances its style over substance.

 

Except for the many codex entries that explain a lot about the technology and biology of the ME series and how they work.

 

Mass Effect was never future fantasy why do you think people complained about Lazarus project and synthesis?

Tell me how biotics and eezo works if they are not entirely made up of space magic. Mass Effect never explained its lore really well that considers it as future fantasy. It's all double standards anyways.

[DarthLaxian]

Why are people so keen to dismiss MEA so early on? It it because of DAI(a completely different kind of game), or are they still sore over an ending to a game that came out 3 years ago. It just doesn't make sense. People should just grow up, let go of past slights & give this brand new game in a much beloved franchise a break.

 

Fool me once, shame on you - Fool me twice, shame on me!

 

At least that's how I would answer that, as Bioware has fooled us not only once (Dragon Age 2!) but 3 times (in addition to DA2 there was Mass Effect 3 (stupid illogical endings with plotholes the size of a galaxy!) and lastly there was Dragon Age: Inquisition which was over all (while an ok game) pretty disappointing (not living up to its potential, lame story (with a few exceptions), lame choices, boring world (sure it was great looking but so damned EMPTY!) etc. etc.) and we are not only angry at them but also at ourselves for letting ourselves be suckered in again and again by their sweat talk and what can now be considered lies by their marketing (they can't tell me that their marketing didn't know that what they were saying was lies!)...in a way we are probably angry because we are not managing to kick the "Bioware-Addiction" (even if their products haven't lived up to the high standards we have in a long time!), probably because so few companies make good RPGs (and even less do so with a romance system in place!)

 

I do also think that people probably still believe that if they criticize the game early and do so harshly that they might do better this time around! (I myself certainly hope so!)

 

greetings LAX

[KaiserShep]

Mass Effect was never future fantasy why do you think people complained about Lazarus project and synthesis?

 

Don't forget the thorian, which had the ability to manufacture asari clones fully clothed and even armed. 

[Drone223]

Tell me how biotics and eezo works if they are not entirely made up of space magic. Mass Effect never explained its lore really well that considers it as future fantasy. It's all double standards anyways.

The explanations for ME's lore save for Lazarus project and synthesis are not as bad as you make them out to be. Even if eezo isn't based on reality, it doesn't mean that it automatically qualifies as space magic. If it works within the limitations of the laws set within the universe then people can suspend their disbelief and see it as something believable within the universe, space magic only happens when that suspension of disbelief is broken.

[Vapaa]

Don't forget the thorian, which had the ability to manufacture asari clones fully clothed and even armed.

You can even narrow it down to:

"Don't forget the asari."

And yes I will bring up the asari every single time an argument about ME1 being more "mature" or "logical" is being made

[DoomsdayDevice]

There is really only one way they could make a direct sequel to ME3, and it's Indoctrination Theory. It would mean the Reapers are still around, and destroy would be the only way to continue with Shepard.

Now I realize some people would see this as 'canonizing an ending', but since none of the endings would actually happen as depicted, the choice at the end would simply be a test of character, rather than a choice of what happens to the galaxy. In two cases, Shepard dies and/or becomes indoctrinated, and in one case Shepard passes the test. It would simply be a case of 'the only way to resist indoctrination is by sticking to wanting to destroy the Reapers'.

Whatever they had in mind with the ending, it seems like we're not getting the answer in this next game.

[Chealec]

Not dismissing it just yet but honestly, AAA titles have had a pretty poor track record of late, especially EA titles... mostly bland, overpriced, crap regurgitating the same old same old, over and over whilst somehow simultaneously making it worse with each iteration.

 

That's what worries me about another BioWare/EA title - they're not going to come up with anything new in ME:A, they'll follow the same formula and they're banking on it being part of the Mass Effect franchise so you know what you're getting. BioWare haven't really innovated anything since they made D&D-Lite Dragon Age Origins... and that drew on their previous experience making D&D (NWN) games.

 

When they have tried to go "bigger and better" they've missed the mark (fetch quests in DA:I from what I can gather - not bothered to buy it yet) or when they've tried to do something different it's been canned (Shadow Realms for instance).

 

I would love BioWare to make the best space opera of all time - they do some of the best characters in the industry and they can write good story arcs. If they could just focus on that instead of trying to pad 30 hour games out to 60, 70, 100+ hours with the gaming equivalent of sawdust...

[Iakus]

This makes me so sad.

 

It's like every company of my favourite games (Bioware, Ubisoft, etc) are being thrown under the bus from their own fans. I expected to see excitement, wild theories, etc after the release of the ME:A trailer (which there were) but all I see is criticism of soundtrack, arguments of the ME3 ending, bad expectations due to DA:I, did I forget to mention more arguments of the ME3 ending?

 

We are not united...

 

_{Totally didn't try to make this sound like an inspiring speech...}

The base is broken, and Bioware held the hammer.

[TheRealJayDee]

BioWare just wasn't fit to do a trilogy of games with focus on player choice and save game import and everything as ME was intended. It might have worked if they had things better planned out, but as it is the trilogy regularly built up expectations it could never fully live up to. I'm blaming myself for falling for that, but also BioWare for not doing much to adjust those expectations.

 

Less would have been more in quite a few instances, but then the games would have lost a certain part of their appeal. The problems were more than noticeable within the trilogy itself, but after it was over the difficulties of the transitions from one game to another were continued in a bigger scale for the whole ME franchise.

 

They invited some trouble with the introduction of the Reaper threat in Mass Effect.

 

They brought themselves into serious trouble with the Suicide Mission etc in ME2.

 

They drove the whole thing against the wall with the galaxy changing endings of ME3.

 

They couldn't continue after Shepard's story without declaring some scenario as canon. They don't want that, so they worked out a way to avoid having to deal with the unpleasant aspects of the ME franchise as it presented itself so far.Grab the cool stuff and run for Andromeda, or that's how it seems to be.

 

Which might be a bit disappointing for me, if I still cared about ME or Bioware as I did when ME3 was released. I don't, so, urm, whatever. If ME:A turns out to be good I'll play it someday when the DLC cycle is through. If not... well, too bad. 

[RZIBARA]

No one is throwing it under the bus, we're being critical and realistic, rather than hyping the game up and SETTING IT UP for failure, due to high expectations

[The Arbiter]

“Gaming. . .has changed.

It's no longer about fun, unique gameplay, or quality plots. Gaming--and it's consumption of money--has become a well-oiled business.

Gaming has changed.

Self-Entitled Gamers play DRM-filled games, while developers use graphics as a selling point for 'good' games. Sales inside their software distribution programs enhance and regulate their spending.

Graphical complaints, character complaints, plot complaints, gameplay complaints…everything is complained about and kept under control.

Gaming…has changed.

The age of fun has become the age of entitlement, all in the name of appeasing and averting criticism from rabid fans, and he who complains to the system, controls the future.

Gaming…has changed.

When the medium suffers under total complaints, gamers become volatile.”

This comment brings back alot of memories and good story telling in the past... ahhh those were the days

 

[Iakus]

No one is throwing it under the bus, we're being critical and realistic, rather than hyping the game up and SETTING IT UP for failure, due to high expectations

More than that, we're looking at the pattern of behavior across the trilogy and extrapolating into the future.

 

We're not buying into the hype this time.  "The burned hand teaches best.  After that, advice about fire goes to the heart"

[KotorEffect3]

Some people like to be jaded hipster gamers that think hating whatever is new will make them cool.

[N7Jamaican]

I think some are doing it because -- No Shepard.

[Iakus]

No Shepard is the one thing I think this game actually has going for it.

[DoomsdayDevice]

I loved every single ME game so far, even ME3 is terrific IMO.

I'm not a hater.

I just really don't like the direction they seem to be taking, it feels like a massive cop-out. I want to like the next game as much as anyone else, but I just cannot get hyped for this. From the sound of things, I need to keep my expectations low, so I will.

[RZIBARA]

Some people like to be jaded hipster gamers that think hating whatever is new will make them cool.

 

You can like something and still criticize it. I love ME1-3, but I'd be stupid not to notice the MULTIPLE flaws in the trilogy

[Rannik]

Why are people so keen to dismiss MEA so early on?

 

Why would you care?

[TruthSerum]

I'm going to be brutally honest here.

I think BW wwants to go with a new setting because the VA for male Shep is not very good and was holding the franchise back.

When BW first made ME1 AAA games weren't the massive Hollywood level productions that they are today. In today's market the general audience demands more from the VA then it was in the old days when a game company could get away with having one of the programmers or an intern doing the VA work.

These days in 2015 having Hollywood talent do much of the voice work in AAA games is totally normal.

Long time fans might say "Shepard's male voice is perfectly fine" and I would say that those fans have bonded with that voice like a new born baby chick bonds with the first thing that it sees.

Now understand that BW/EA would NEVER..EVER admit to any of this publicly but I am sure it has been discussed internally because it effects the franchises bottom line and ME's ability to move beyond its core audience.

[RZIBARA]

I'm going to be brutally honest here.

I think BW wwants to go with a new setting because the VA for male Shep is not very good and was holding the franchise back.

When BW first made ME1 AAA games weren't the massive Hollywood level productions that they are today. In today's market the general audience demands more from the VA then it was in the old days when a game company could get away with having one of the programmers or an intern doing the VA work.

These days in 2015 having Hollywood talent do much of the voice work in AAA games is totally normal.

Long time fans might say "Shepard's male voice is perfectly fine" and I would say that those fans have bonded with that voice like a new born baby chick bonds with the first thing that it sees.

Now understand that BW/EA would NEVER..EVER admit to any of this publicly but I am sure it has been discussed internally because it effects the franchises bottom line and ME's ability to move beyond its core audience.

 

Good try, but Mark Meer did a better job than Hale in both ME2 and ME3 (especially 3). The only debatable one is the first game.

[TruthSerum]

Good try, but Mark Meer did a better job than Hale in both ME2 and ME3 (especially 3). The only debatable one is the first game.

It doesn't matter if you think he did a better job than Hale.(He didn't btw) The MALE character is the lead character in the franchise. The male is the lead in marketing and promotions and is the one most chosen by gamers. And with that being sad the MaleShep voice is not up to 2015/2016 top level AAA standards.

[MaxQuartiroli]

@TruthSerum - consider that many people played ME series dubbed in their native language and they don't even know how the original acting was.

Therefore I don't think that these matters about VAs affected their choices

[RZIBARA]

It doesn't matter if you think he did a better job than Hale.(He didn't btw) The MALE character is the lead character in the franchise. The male is the lead in marketing and promotions and is the one most chosen by gamers. And with that being sad the MaleShep voice is not up to 2015/2016 top level AAA standards.

 

I hope you are joking. Mark Meer in ME2-3 was excellent.