You can like something and still criticize it. I love ME1-3, but I'd be stupid not to notice the MULTIPLE flaws in the trilogy
Surely it's "throwing the new Mass Effect out the airlock"?
"Under a Mako" at the very least.
I'm not joking at all. The MaleShep voice is extremely "not good".I hope you are joking. Mark Meer in ME2-3 was excellent.
I hope you are joking. Mark Meer in ME2-3 was excellent.
I thought he was "better" in ME3. It's not really saying much, though.
I don't know what they were feeding him for Mass Effect, because he's fine in any other role, but I thought he just sucked as Shepard. I thought Jen Hale did a great job, though I can understand why people might not dig her, but I really can't see any of the appeal in Meer's performance as Shepard.
It would be really nice if they sprang for multiple VO options in MEA, but if we're stuck as solely playing human again, I can't imagine why they would.
I don't know what they were feeding him for Mass Effect, because he's fine in any other role, but I thought he just sucked as Shepard.
I've often wondered the same thing, since if you've heard Meer in any other role, it's clear he's a pretty talented voice actor.
The only thing I can come up with is that since Shepard is a soldier, Meer is restricting his usual emotional and vocal range, to better illustrate that military officer "type". They keep their emotions out of it, are no-nosense and get on with their job (to stereotype massively, but not without an element of truth).
I thought some of his better lines were Renegade Shep ones, where he let loose a little bit and was having fun, so I think it has some merit as a theory.
I'm not joking at all. The MaleShep voice is extremely "not good".
In fact the male voice is what kept me from getting into the series at first even though the setting is right up my alley.
Luckily after months and months of gathering dust on my shelf I rolled a FemShep on a whim and have been hooked ever since.
My experience with the game in this regard is not unique. I still contend that long time fans cannot hear it because they are used to it. To them it's simply Shepard's voice.
And your idea of him being "not good" is a subjective statment, that is, it's merely your own opinion.
It's simply not possible to rate what is good, better or best on a scale of the Mass Effect series in terms of voice acting Shepard because Meer was the only male, english speaking, voice actor for Shepard. He improved greatly, and many players in ME2 and ME3 found him better than Hale, that is not objectively better, but his voice acting was more satisfying to them as gamers than Hale's was, just as Hale's voice acting is "better" to you than he was.
I personally thought he was a sheer delight, especially in ME3, and the Shepard in my avatar is, to me from playing with that face over three games, the definitive Shepard, but it only applies to myself and no other gamer because it was a unique custom build of Shepard that worked for me.
I simply cannot possibly imagine Shepard with a different Voice, because he became THE Shepard for me over three games.
You can disagree with that assessment, and that is totally fine.
But let's not get bogged down by stating subjective statements as indisputable facts. It's indisputable to you that Meer is not a good voice actor, but the same cannot be said of every single gamer who played as a male Shepard.
I don't really see what's so bad about Meer's Shepard. I'm certainly not a fan, but he's certainly not awful. In general, BioWare's pretty good about its voice acting, at least when it comes to the central cast.
I'm going to be brutally honest here.
I think BW wwants to go with a new setting because the VA for male Shep is not very good and was holding the franchise back.
When BW first made ME1 AAA games weren't the massive Hollywood level productions that they are today. In today's market the general audience demands more from the VA then it was in the old days when a game company could get away with having one of the programmers or an intern doing the VA work.
These days in 2015 having Hollywood talent do much of the voice work in AAA games is totally normal.
Long time fans might say "Shepard's male voice is perfectly fine" and I would say that those fans have bonded with that voice like a new born baby chick bonds with the first thing that it sees.
Now understand that BW/EA would NEVER..EVER admit to any of this publicly but I am sure it has been discussed internally because it effects the franchises bottom line and ME's ability to move beyond its core audience.
What a load of malarkey.
Bioware uses actual VA professionals, not the Hollywood celebrity du jour, that's what they did back then, that's what they did with DAI which came out in 2014.
And exactly how you thought that the new setting was needed because of some dubious VA problem rather that the most bigger issue that the original setting is simply too sensitive to be dealt with is beyond me.
Inconsistency leads to contrivances which is considered bad writing.
over analysis leads to the finding of contrivances which makes fans think they can spot bad writing, there is not a single peace of long form story (book,game,movie etc) that does not have Logical holes not a single one and if you want to list your top 5 peaces of long form story i will happy point out the major plot holes and contrivances in those stories. because i hate to tell you but you don't actually care about contrivances your pissed the story didn't go the direction you wanted. Shakespeare is full of plot holes LOTR is full of them Harry potter is built off of them. but of course those are all bad writing aren't they?
this is not saying you cant be pissed about andromeda or that you cant hate certain story elements of the mass effect universe, this is saying you need to stop hiding behind some idea that you have some intellectual reason behind your preferences, i get it your probably a college student that has been lead to believe that there's a form of reasoning behind your likes and dislikes that is in some way logical, but what you need to understand is we come up with the opinion first and then try and find reasons why we are right, don't hide behind false logic own your opinion for what it is. your opinion.
edit: and with the topic at hand no one changes a setting because of a VA hell most wont even change a character because of a VA look at MGS. i don't really have an opinion on sheploo but whatever your smoking pm me your dealers number because thats some good ****
I thought he was "better" in ME3. It's not really saying much, though.
I don't know what they were feeding him for Mass Effect, because he's fine in any other role, but I thought he just sucked as Shepard. I thought Jen Hale did a great job, though I can understand why people might not dig her, but I really can't see any of the appeal in Meer's performance as Shepard.
For me part of what was that I found Meer's performance to be largely spot on as a mustang. (an officer who is prior enlisted)
His delivery reminded me of many of the Staff NCOs and mustangs I knew while I was in the Marines.
In contrast I thought Hale, while good, was sometimes a little hammy.
over analysis leads to the finding of contrivances which makes fans think they can spot bad writing, there is not a single peace of long form story (book,game,movie etc) that does not have Logical holes not a single one and if you want to list your top 5 peaces of long form story i will happy point out the major plot holes and contrivances in those stories. because i hate to tell you but you don't actually care about contrivances your pissed the story didn't go the direction you wanted. Shakespeare is full of plot holes LOTR is full of them Harry potter is built off of them. but of course those are all bad writing aren't they?
No one is expecting perfect writing and its only nitpicking if the issue's are trivial since such issue. But its still important to maintain overall consistency with the narrative as its not a good habit to have stories heavily dependent on contrivances all the time.
No one is expecting perfect writing and its only nitpicking if the issue's are trivial since such issue. But its still important to maintain overall consistency with the narrative as its not a good habit to have stories heavily dependent on contrivances all the time.
No it isn't, major writing issues should be pointed out.Meh, double standards.
I don't really see what's so bad about Meer's Shepard. I'm certainly not a fan, but he's certainly not awful. In general, BioWare's pretty good about its voice acting, at least when it comes to the central cast.
I don't think he's very good in the first game. His voice is too bland and unemotional (though, as has been pointed out, this could be intentional). But he got a lot better as the series went on, and by ME3 he's as good as, if not better than Hale. And I'm a huge fanboy of the latter on pretty much anything she does, so thats big praise 
Well, Meer did a better job than whoever voiced Geralt in the Witcher series *yawn*
I don't feel that way, but it's Not about DAI or the endings. It's about the game bein set in Andromeda.
BINGO!!! The Andromeda galaxy is 2,538,000 light years away. There is NO WAY that humans (or any other of the races in the trilogy) have made it to that galaxy unless they somehow found a mass effect gate that linked to it and there was no indication in the trilogy that the gates have that capability. Plus after watching the trailer I think the name of the next game should be changed to Mass Effect: Space Cowboy or Mass Effect:Bounty Hunter. That's the impression of the game I got from watching the trailer.
BINGO!!! The Andromeda galaxy is 2,538,000 light years away. There is NO WAY that humans (or any other of the races in the trilogy) have made it to that galaxy unless they somehow found a mass effect gate that linked to it and there was no indication in the trilogy that the gates have that capability. Plus after watching the trailer I think the name of the next game should be changed to Mass Effect: Space Cowboy or Mass Effect:Bounty Hunter. That's the impression of the game I got from watching the trailer.
Unless of course, they solved the drive core issue somehow (not implausible) and set off in a huge, self-sufficent ship on a journey that will take hundreds of years.
Nobody's saying the game takes place tomorrow.
Unless of course, they solved the drive core issue somehow (not implausible) and set off in a huge, self-sufficent ship on a journey that will take hundreds of years.
Nobody's saying the game takes place tomorrow.
And once again, why haven't the Reapers done this millions of years ago?
BINGO!!! The Andromeda galaxy is 2,538,000 light years away. There is NO WAY that humans (or any other of the races in the trilogy) have made it to that galaxy unless they somehow found a mass effect gate that linked to it and there was no indication in the trilogy that the gates have that capability.
Alternate universe.
Problem solved.
Why are people so keen to dismiss MEA so early on? It it because of DAI(a completely different kind of game), or are they still sore over an ending to a game that came out 3 years ago. It just doesn't make sense. People should just grow up, let go of past slights & give this brand new game in a much beloved franchise a break.
Obviously because we can only throw each other under the bus for so long.
What a load of malarkey.
Bioware uses actual VA professionals, not the Hollywood celebrity du jour, that's what they did back then, that's what they did with DAI which came out in 2014.
And exactly how you thought that the new setting was needed because of some dubious VA problem rather that the most bigger issue that the original setting is simply too sensitive to be dealt with is beyond me.
Alternate universe.
Problem solved.
Nah, space magic is a better answer....
Nah, space magic is a better answer....
If space magic was the answer ME3 wouldn't have gotten the backlash it did
If space magic was the answer ME3 wouldn't have gotten the backlash it did
If the ending had been just "space magic happens, everything's OK now", it would've been fine. But no, they tried to pull space magic and some kind of weird plot justifications and "deep" story.
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