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[OsitodeFelpa]

Has anyone completed ME3 on insanity with ironman rules (i.e. all dlc installed, no deaths allowed)? I've been trying and failing for about three months now. It's not that I can't complete all the fights in the game individually, I just can't string it together throughout an entire game. My last effort (which just failed) was with an infiltrator. I believe the infiltrator is the strongest class for an ironman run, because of its ultimate 'get out of jail free card'.

 

I'm totally gutted about my latest failure, because I'd got further than ever before, including through the notorious citadel dlc, only to be killed by the reaper on Rannoch. Yes, this is an easy mission, but unfortunately I pressed the wrong key on my keyboard, which switched me to my second monitor, and I died in the couple of seconds I lost control of the game. Unfortunately, my rules require that I restart in any circumstances in which I die, regardless of whether it's 'my fault' (otherwise it starts to get subjective: nah, it wasn't really my fault I got in the way of that gun!).

 

Anyway I wondered whether anyone has actually completed this challenge, and which class they did it with?

[Vazgen]

I almost managed it accidentally but Marauder Shields killed me. I just can't pass that section without dying. 

[capn233]

Vanguard or Sentinel is probably actually the best for doing that.

[OsitodeFelpa]

Hehe, I've never personally had any problem with Marauder Shields except on my first ever playthrough on normal difficulty - come to think of it, I think the husks did me, not MS. It would be pretty annoying to die then. On one run through (not an ironman one), I didn't take the red interrupt near the end, as I was playing paragon. Had never occured to me that failing to take a red interrupt would end the game: nice message.


Capn233, I have tried the sentinel, and it is generally pretty good, but it's still hit and miss with the citadel dlc. To me, this dlc is by far the hardest part, and I have found the infiltrator has the best survivability (for me).


I do have a question regarding the vanguard. This is the only class I've never really tried, and the reason is that everything I've read about it suggests it's very strong, but high risk. So although you can obliterate everything, if things go right, once small error and you're dead. So I'm thinking vanguard wouldn't be much good in ironman. Have I misunderstood the position?

[OsitodeFelpa]

Latest failure: newbie error. New game plus; adept; killed by Dr Eva at the end of the Mars missions. How? My upgraded f*****g pistol couldn't get off enough shots to kill Dr. Eva. What a complete idiot!

[Vazgen]

At least you got it early

Edit: As for Vanguard question, they can be downright unkillable with Nova-cancel trick and Charge recharging their shields. They are riskier though. Not to mention the clone fight which is the toughest for Vanguards.

[RedCaesar97]

Latest failure: newbie error. New game plus; adept; killed by Dr Eva at the end of the Mars missions. How? My upgraded f*****g pistol couldn't get off enough shots to kill Dr. Eva. What a complete idiot!

 

Which pistol? Some pistols have problems with Eva, typically the Scorpion and Executioner, and the Acolyte is probably really bad.

[Ashevajak]

Which pistol? Some pistols have problems with Eva, typically the Scorpion and Executioner, and the Acolyte is probably really bad.

 

Yeah, I equipped the Acolyte once...never made that mistake again.

 

M-11 Suppressor does a pretty neat job though.

[cap and gown]

Yeah, I equipped the Acolyte once...never made that mistake again.

 

M-11 Suppressor does a pretty neat job though.

 

 Just as long as you don't fire it for a couple of seconds when she starts her charge. There is apparently some small window where the shots don't count. I was almost screwed because I used up 6 shots on the bot and she didn't go down. Fortunately,  I was able to reload in time and one more shot did her in.

[RanetheViking]

Doing the "ironman" thing? No thanks. It would be too frustrating for me.

Latest failure: newbie error. New game plus; adept; killed by Dr Eva at the end of the Mars missions. How? My upgraded f*****g pistol couldn't get off enough shots to kill Dr. Eva. What a complete idiot!

 

 

Which pistol? Some pistols have problems with Eva, typically the Scorpion and Executioner, and the Acolyte is probably really bad.

I think the only time I've ever been killed by Dr Eva was in a NG+ when I equipped the Scorpion pistpl. lol

[OsitodeFelpa]

Not sure what the gun was. I think I'd equipped the wrong one by mistake. I meant to have the M-11 suppressor, but instead I had one which had a capacity in the hundreds and fired in bursts. Problem was that I equipped it early in the mission, but, being an adept, I never actually shot it till I reached Dr. E. I think my mistake was identified by Cap and Gown, in that I fired too early, then couldn't reload. Rane, the ironman thing can be frustrating, but I'm tantalisingly close to achieving it. I seriously think that the only thing in the game that can stop me (other than 'duh!' moments like with Dr. Eva) is the citadel dlc.

[RanetheViking]

 Rane, the ironman thing can be frustrating, but I'm tantalisingly close to achieving it. I seriously think that the only thing in the game that can stop me (other than 'duh!' moments like with Dr. Eva) is the citadel dlc.

Yeah definitely frustrating especially on Insanity.  ME1 would be okay, but ME2's cover system mechanic always gets me killed at least once during the game. And ME3 has a few spots that can be annoying, like good ol' Marauder Shields. I'd hate to get all the way through and then AARGHH! 

 

I'd probably have to buy a new controller. 

 

I tried something similar in the God of War series, no upgrades, no magic and no health loss while playing on the hardest mode like 'Titan mode' etc.  A "Pain +" run I think it used to be called.

 

Anyway I hope you get it done, but even if you don't, as long as you're having fun good luck to you.

[NeonFlux117]

I tried it but got utterly owned during the Grissom academy mission, I was able to do everything up too that point fairly easy with my level 60 Black Widow X Infiltrator, but what happened was a turret got me, for just a brief second out in the open with my shields about 1/3 full and it was a dirt nap for my Shep soon after. I think I actually can do this, I think it's doable. I'm not a great ME3 player but I fairly solid and have great drag and twitch skills from playing comp fps at a fairly high level, so I think it can be done. But there are some unfair things in this game sometimes like insta kills out of nowhere from Banshees and crap, lol. Good luck OP, never give up hope. Hold the line! 

[OsitodeFelpa]

Last attempt: adept; killed by RNG in Omega final battle.


This may be my last post on the subject, because I'm done with it. It's been fun, but I just cannot face going through all the early missions one more time. It's kind of ironic, because I've done the Omega final battle at least a dozen times, with only one death (the first time I played it when I didn't know what to do).


It's funny because each of the classes I've tried has their strengths in certain of the 'RNG' risk battles. So the infiltrator is perfect in the Omega final battle. The sentinel is perfect in the Tuchanka final battle; the engineer (and the infiltrator) is perfect against those three primes on Rannoch; and the adepts crowd control is perfect in most, but not all situations. Unfortunately, none of the classes is quite perfect at every mission, and there is my difficulty.

Only classes I didn't try are vanguard and soldier, but I'm pretty sure I couldn't do it with those. Vanguard generally would be just to risky. Soldier must require good aim, something I just don't have. If anyone wants to speak up for vanguard or soldier for ironman insanity, please let me know.

[Alfonsedode]

so how much attempt did u do and how far did u reach for each one ?

[cap and gown]

Only classes I didn't try are vanguard and soldier, but I'm pretty sure I couldn't do it with those. Vanguard generally would be just to risky. Soldier must require good aim, something I just don't have. If anyone wants to speak up for vanguard or soldier for ironman insanity, please let me know.

 

Well, there is always the Venom Shotgun. My one and only attempt with the Soldier was with the Venom Shotgun. That weapon was amazing. No aim required at all: just aim at their feet or a wall right behind them and blow away large number of mooks.

 

RedCeasar has a series posted on YouTube of a bulletless Soldier where he concentrates on Concussive Shot to combo off team mates. So even with the Soldier you don't have to rely on weapons. Not sure how that might apply to solo sections like Citadel and the final battle in Afterlife.

[OsitodeFelpa]

 

so how much attempt did u do and how far did u reach for each one ?

 

I've had about a dozen tries altogether (lost the exact count) with engineer, adept, sentinel and infiltrator.


My best attempt was with the engineer where I completed every main mission up to (but not including) Priority Thessia, and every side mission up to that point, aliong with the Leviathan and Omega dlc. I died in the final battle of the citadel dlc, but, on that occasion, I did manage to clear the notorious solo bit at the start. The majority of my attempts have ended during that solo bit at the start of citadel dlc.


Perhaps the community heaved a collective sigh of relief when I posted above that I was done with this project, but I am having another stab at it, this time with a sentinel. On reflection I'm inclinded to agree wih Cap and Gun's post elsewhere that the sentinel and engineer should be able to handle the citadel dlc, and I'm still determined to find a way to do it.

[Alfonsedode]

   

I've had about a dozen tries altogether (lost the exact count) with engineer, adept, sentinel and infiltrator.


My best attempt was with the engineer where I completed every main mission up to (but not including) Priority Thessia, and every side mission up to that point, aliong with the Leviathan and Omega dlc. I died in the final battle of the citadel dlc, but, on that occasion, I did manage to clear the notorious solo bit at the start. The majority of my attempts have ended during that solo bit at the start of citadel dlc.


Perhaps the community heaved a collective sigh of relief when I posted above that I was done with this project, but I am having another stab at it, this time with a sentinel. On reflection I'm inclinded to agree wih Cap and Gun's post elsewhere that the sentinel and engineer should be able to handle the citadel dlc, and I'm still determined to find a way to do it.

ouch, that hurts a bit. Why wld the community find some relief in U stopping your attempts ? I m pretty sure 90% wld enjoy to see u succeed.

 

For the citadel dlc, i thought the final fight was far more difficult and non reproductible (luck dependent).

As of DLC, i wld skip them altogether if i were in your shoes, except maybe leviathan which is not so long, important story wise, and most of all, easy.

[OsitodeFelpa]

Yeah, I was joking about the community: everybody has actually been very helpful.


It would be much easier to miss out the dlc (then the only problem would be Marauder Shields), but that contravenes the rules. I have to do all the content.


I find the toughest parts to be those where you have no team mates, like the final Omega mission and the beginning part of the citadel dlc. Because I'm useless at shooting, I can easily die if enemies close in when I'm on cool down. When I have team mates, wherever possible it's Garrus and Javik with the N7-Typhoon. Using that weapon is probably cheating because there is no mob that they can't take down within 5 seconds. Only problem is to get them to actually shoot at the mobs :-)

[cap and gown]

 When I have team mates, wherever possible it's Garrus and Javik with the N7-Typhoon. Using that weapon is probably cheating because there is no mob that they can't take down within 5 seconds. Only problem is to get them to actually shoot at the mobs :-)

 

When you mentioned assault rifles earlier I was wondering if you were talking about the Typhoon. Guess I was right. That gun is cheating. I don't use it anymore. OTOH, I am not going to try ironman.

[OsitodeFelpa]

Sentinel run over already. Cerberus mission on Tuchanka. Utterly ridiculous mistake in a cakewalk mission.


It is a timely reminder of how dangerous insanity can be if you're not careful. I just ran round a corner expecting to see a cerberus trooper, and was surprised to find it was a turret. In at least two dozen plays of this mission there has never been a turret placed in that location before. I immediately paused, but despite 50% damage reduction and armor devoted entirely to +shields and +health, I was unable to turn around and get back into cover before I was dead. I estimate it killed me in less than a second. This is what a turret can do to you when you're out in the open and I paid the ultimate price for my carelessness.

It does make me wonder whether there's any point focusing on damage reduction, health and shields. I wonder whether if you're in a bad position no amount of protection will save you.

[cap and gown]

It does make me wonder whether there's any point focusing on damage reduction, health and shields. I wonder whether if you're in a bad position no amount of protection will save you.

 

Damage is increased by 40% when not in cover. So 50% DR = 10% DR when out of cover. Nevertheless, DR is good to have, though after a lot of playing with the Sentinel, I would recommend taking 6A rather than 6B on tech armor.

 

Turrets are murder. The only way to save yourself from one when caught by surprise is to be able to dodge roll behind cover.  Unfortunately, you are not always in a position to do that.

[Vazgen]

I highly suggest going with Infiltrator. Sabotage takes care of turrets and you have a panic button - Tactical Cloak. Squad Cryo Ammo is amazing for crowd control. Sticky Grenades do not break the cloak. Take Energy Drain as a bonus power to strip shields. 

[RanetheViking]

I highly suggest going with Infiltrator. Sabotage takes care of turrets and you have a panic button - Tactical Cloak. Squad Cryo Ammo is amazing for crowd control. Sticky Grenades do not break the cloak. Take Energy Drain as a bonus power to strip shields. 

Yep the Infiltrator is my favourite for me3 .

 

"The Infilltator, winning the Reaper War one head-shot at a time".

[aka.700]

And with the infiltrator you don't have to shoot any enemy until your release Aria on Afterlife. You cloak and run most of the time. After that, it is of course fairly easier with such a powerful biotic.
I didn't bother with any enemy until I release Aria on my infiltrator run and did what I suggest to you and didn't die once there.