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[Han Yolo]

The ME3 is better with pretty much everyone in that can be dead in ME2 dead. The cases where it's outright worse are... vanishingly rare.

 

Wrex dead gives Wreave, who isn't so much 'better' but makes a great foil and alternative consideration for the Genophage plot.

Mordin gets an exceptional, and distinct, replacement, worth seeing for a different and novel view on the Krogan.

Jack makes Grissom Academy go from a rather trite 'let's humiliate Cerberus' vengeance-fest to glorify Jack to using her students as actual characters in one of the best short-story arcs of the entire game, a story of standing up to overwhelming odds and the tragedies of the Reaper War.

Garrus is one of the few cases where it's better when he's alive- simply because there's nothing when he's not. Garrus is utterly plot irrelevant, and it shows, especially when no Turian complains or raises a concern about their Reaper-expert quitting yet another job and leaving in the middle of a Reaper invasion.

Kasumi's death makes way for one of the more interesting Moral Decisions in Mass Effect: a real-time moral choice between saving the person infront of you or saving a greater number of people elsewhere.

No Tali frees up the members of the Admiralty board to be further fleshed and developed as characters, and used as something else than stupid-stick targets for the sake of making Tali look better.

No Legion greatly reduces the heavy-handed white-wash of the Geth, which allows at least a partial vindication of the Quarian fears and reasonings.

No Thane radically increases the appearance of competence, and thus credibility, of Kai Leng.

No Samara gives an actual moral choice in the Ardat Yakshi mission of fulfilling your mission or not.

No Miranda gives an actual moral choice in dealing with Miranda's father, and gives the rest of the Alliance something to take credit for in tracking him down.

No Jacob... makes a FemShep who romanced him a lot better.

 

The only characters who I would always spare in ME2, all the time, are Grunt and Garrus. Secondaries are Zaeed and Jacob (if not romanced). Otherwise, pretty much all other killable characters make the story better with their absence, not worse.

This is sadly true. 

[Seboist]

RE: Jacob and a femshep whom manced him in ME3, i actually like the idea of manfu/waifu dumping the PC and especially for someone else. The only problem was, this only happened because Jacob was such an unpopular option, much like what happened with Morinth in 3.

 

Speaking of Morinth, I'm one of her few fans whom thinks she had a pretty interesting character concept, that of a sociopathic and hedonistic serial killer becoming an unlikely savior of the galaxy that does it merely out of self-preservation and wanting to continue her lifestyle than any noble intention. Shame that her implementation in ME2 was very half-assed.

[The Heretic of Time]

RE: Jacob and a femshep whom manced him in ME3, i actually like the idea of manfu/waifu dumping the PC and especially for someone else. The only problem was, this only happened because Jacob was such an unpopular option, much like what happened with Morinth in 3.

 

It also doesn't help that Jacob is black, basically reinforcing the racial and gender stereotype of black men being unfaithful to their spouse and knocking up women in the process.

Instead of Jacob it should have been Tali who dumped Shepard if Kal Reegar survives in ME2. I'd like to see her hooking up with him. I'd also like to see the Talimancer butthurt that would come from this.

[Seboist]

It also doesn't help that Jacob is black, basically reinforcing the racial and gender stereotype of black men being unfaithful to their spouse and knocking up women in the process.

Instead of Jacob it should have been Tali who dumped Shepard if Kal Reegar survives in ME2. I'd like to see her hooking up with him. I'd also like to see the Talimancer butthurt that would come from this.

 

Hey, I'm a "talimancer", albeit an oddball one. I'm possibly the only dude whom had a talimancing maleshep keep David Archer in Project Overlord as part of his promise to build her a house on the homeworld.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

It also doesn't help that Jacob is black, basically reinforcing the racial and gender stereotype of black men being unfaithful to their spouse and knocking up women in the process.

Instead of Jacob it should have been Tali who dumped Shepard if Kal Reegar survives in ME2. I'd like to see her hooking up with him. I'd also like to see the Talimancer butthurt that would come from this.

I approve of this rewrite. Talimancer butt hurt is the best kind of butt hurt.

[Ahriman]

 

 

Probably because ME1 and ME2 let you end the games by turning down the ability to use the Reaper's technology to win, so having Shepard suddenly turn to Reaper tech in 3 would have gone against their character. If it was optional then the two paths would have been considerably different from each other and Bioware didn't have the time or resources to create two vastly different paths for Shepard to go down. My Shepard didn't blow up the Collector base just to turn to Reaper tech a few months later.

 

Everything else they had planned for ME3 was pretty mindblowing though, and it is indeed a shame they didn't go through with it. The Citadel take over mission is such a blatant example of "aborted arc". Did anyone not think having Bailey show up when they expected Cerberus to NOT lead into anything drastic?

This has nothing to do with going against character. It's pre-ME concept, which was sort of reused for Saren. I guess the main reason why they dropped this (shame on them) is because it's difficult to romance someone in such condition. Not mention how many times story changed before final variant.

[The Heretic of Time]

This has nothing to do with going against character. It's pre-ME concept, which was sort of reused for Saren. I guess the main reason why they dropped this (shame on them) is because it's difficult to romance someone in such condition. Not mention how many times story changed before final variant.

 

Actually that piece of concept art was during the production of ME2 according to the artist Matt Rhodes. He also states that Ashley is the new human Spectre in that scenario.

 

Clearly the idea of Shepard turning to reaper tech was mostly scrapped, but much of the idea of Ashley becoming Spectre and turning on Shepard was still used in ME3.

[KaiserShep]

Well, your Shepard is a moron then and should have lost the war.
 

Besides, Shepard already has a ton of reaper tech inside his body (or at least it's hinted at that Cerberus used reaper tech to rebuild Shepard). Him turning to the dark-side (or perhaps being FORCED to the dark-side given the situation) would have been epic and perfectly in-character for Shep.

 

The idea that Shepard is infused with reaper tech is purely fan theory. BioWare's not one for being subtle. If this was the case, it would have been played up for extra drama. The most we ever get is that TIM spent a venerable f***-ton of money, but nothing involving using bits of Sovereign like they did for EDI.

 

Personally, I'm not very impressed with the whole ReaperShep concept like some others are, but then that's because the whole reaper tech thing was getting kind of tiresome. 

[The Heretic of Time]

The entire trilogy would have been better with a silent protagonist and pause-and-play tactical combat.

 

Yes on the tactical combat. No on the silent protagonist. I absolutely HATE silent protagonists. In this day and age that crap just doesn't fly no more. We're living in 2015 people, silent protagonists are a thing of the past.

[The Heretic of Time]

The idea that Shepard is infused with reaper tech is purely fan theory. BioWare's not one for being subtle. If this was the case, it would have been played up for extra drama. The most we ever get is that TIM spent a venerable f***-ton of money, but nothing involving using bits of Sovereign like they did for EDI.

 

I recall some stuff in the books hinting at it, as well as the logs on Lazarus in ME3, but I could be mistaken. Honestly, it should have been the case though. It would be infinitely more interesting if Shepard was resurrected with reaper tech and had to deal with indoctrination after that.

 

You honestly think BioWare would play up something like that for extra drama though? The same BioWare who wrote Shepard to not give a damn that he was dead for 2 years and literally cracks jokes about it the first day after he came back to life?

"I thought you were dead?"
"I got better."

You give BioWare too much credit.

[Ahriman]

Actually that piece of concept art was during the production of ME2 according to the artist Matt Rhodes. He also states that Ashley is the new human Spectre in that scenario.

 

What's your source?

 

Matt Rhodes: This was a very, very early idea for Shepard. In this image he has been forced to turn to Reaper technology to accomplish his goals (*cough* Saren *cough*) and he’s being confronted by the new human Specter, Ashley.

[The Heretic of Time]

What's your source?

 

Same as yours. All the concept art posted in that blog was for ME2 and ME3. "very early" doesn't mean it was made before the entire trilogy, it just means it was made very early in the production of ME2 and/or ME3.

[KaiserShep]

I recall some stuff in the books hinting at it, as well as the logs on Lazarus in ME3, but I could be mistaken. Honestly, it should have been the case though. It would be infinitely more interesting if Shepard was resurrected with reaper tech and had to deal with indoctrination after that.

 

You honestly think BioWare would play up something like that for extra drama though? The same BioWare who wrote Shepard to not give a damn that he was dead for 2 years and literally cracks jokes about it the first day after he came back to life?

"I thought you were dead?"
"I got better."

You give BioWare too much credit. 

 

I don't necessarily mean Shepard him/herself, but rather the other characters. A reaper tech Shepard should come with a whole host of issues for the story, since, after all, no one trusts this crap, and with good reason. Just the same, reaper tech became extreme space cooties even before ME3. Just being around it makes everyone crazy. Shepard being able to actually be infused with this stuff and still have the faculties to allow us to actually control the character to any meaningful degree would be ridiculous, so I'm glad that they scrapped that idea early on, as well as gotten away from this Indoctrination Theory crap. 

[fraggle]

-I loved ME3 in its entirety, including the ending and consider it one of the best out of all videogames I've played so far, I dig that it's so open and Shepard's fate is vague and up to the player

-I dislike Arrival and Omega DLC because I can't have my squadmates with me

-My favourite characters are considered boring by a lot of people from what I've gathered on the internet: Kaidan and Vega

-ME2 is the weakest game for me in the trilogy

-I love combat in ME3 the most, it's so good

-I love the sound the Reapers make

[Dantriges]

ME 2 should have started with: After several years of intensive preparations and wartime taxes, the taxpayers found out that the only proof for the Reaper invasion was in Shepard´s "dreams" and he fell from grace after the Alliance paid an outrageous amount of money for the SR-2.

 

I can understand most of the decisions of the Council except the cover up of them knowing what Souvereign is.

[KaiserShep]

-I love combat in ME3 the most, it's so good

 

I wouldn't say that this is an unpopular opinion, considering that multiplayer is still surprisingly alive and well. 

[The Heretic of Time]

I don't necessarily mean Shepard him/herself, but rather the other characters. A reaper tech Shepard should come with a whole host of issues for the story, since, after all, no one trusts this crap, and with good reason. Just the same, reaper tech became extreme space cooties even before ME3. Just being around it makes everyone crazy. Shepard being able to actually be infused with this stuff and still have the faculties to allow us to actually control the character to any meaningful degree would be ridiculous, so I'm glad that they scrapped that idea early on, as well as gotten away from this Indoctrination Theory crap. 

 

Well, Shepard works for Cerberus in ME2, which also should have came with a whole host of issues for the story (and in a way it did, the overal plot of the trilogy did suffer for it). I don't see how Shepard turning to reaper tech would make it any worse.

And not everyone who was indoctrinated became crazy. Saren seemed pretty much himself for the most part, he just had the false belief that siding with the reapers would save his butt.

Hell, I wouldn't have mind to see Shepard fall from grace, become Saren 2.0 and then forcing us to play as a new protagonist. That would have worked for ME2. it would certainly have been less stupid than the Lazarus Project.

There are so many cool possibilities that they could have done with Shepard, reaper tech and indoctrination (not talking about the IT crap here, I hate that theory more than anyone else on this forum), but sadly BioWare did nothing with it.

Shepard remained the same boring character that he always was during the entire trilogy.

The reaper tech became a cheap way of turning rational and interesting characters into irrational shallow villains (*cough*TheIllusiveMan*cough*).

And indoctrination is something that everyone in the universe seems to be susceptible to except for Shepard who seems pretty much immune to indoctrination. Despite the fact that by the end of the trilogy Shepard has spend more time around reaper tech than most other people, he never became indoctrinated, not even the slightest.

 

[KaiserShep]

The same is actually true of Shepard's companions. The one and only time Shepard is ever exposed to reaper tech by his/her lonesome is on the asteroid with Object Rho. Every other time, someone else in the team is as exposed to reaper technology as s/he is. But this is sort of the problem I have with these messy Ancient Evil type things. It's the same problem I had with Origins and how our Warden can drag these regular, non-Warden characters miles and miles into the Deep Roads to fight ferocious super lepers and no one ever gets infected. 

[Ahriman]

There are so many cool possibilities that they could have done with Shepard, reaper tech and indoctrination (not talking about the IT crap here, I hate that theory more than anyone else on this forum), but sadly BioWare did nothing with it. Shepard remained the boring character that he was for the rest of the trilogy, the reaper tech became a cheap way of turning rational and interesting characters into irrational shallow villains (*cough*TheIllusiveMan*cough*) and indoctrination is something that everyone in the universe seems to be susceptible to except for Shepard who seems pretty much immune to indoctrination. Despite the fact that by the end of the trilogy Shepard has spend more time around reaper tech than most other people, he never became indoctrinated, not even the slightest.

While I agree with you on most part, Shepard was never long enough near Reaper tech. Indoctrination takes days on brain-melting speed and months on more careful one.

[The Heretic of Time]

While I agree with you on most part, Shepard was never long enough near Reaper tech. Indoctrination takes days on brain-melting speed and months on more careful one.

 

You don't need to be physically near reaper tech for the entire duration to become indoctrinated. You just need to be near it enough so the process of indoctrination can be started. Once the process is happening, it will continue to happen even when you're not near the reaper tech. We saw this happening with Paul Grayson in the Mass Effect books.

Shep slept for 3 days only meters away from a giant indoctrinating reaper beacon (ME2: Arrival DLC). I'd say that's plenty of time to indoctrinate him. At the very least it should have been enough time to do the quick brain-melting version of indoctrination.

Sadly we never had to deal with Shepard's potential indoctrination in the trilogy. Not in any single way. Missed opportunity if you ask me.

[The Heretic of Time]

I approve of this rewrite. Talimancer butt hurt is the best kind of butt hurt.

Yeah.

 

And now that I think of it, the same should have happened with a romanced Liara. She should have ditched Shep for Feron.

[Ashevajak]

Given the obvious parallels between Saren and Shepard by ME3 (rogue spectre, worked with enemies of the council (Cerberus/Geth), sentient starship, something of a cyborg by this stage, deaths of an entire colony on their hand, attempting to cure the genophage)...I'm surprised nothing is made of this parallel by team mates or enemies.

[Han Shot First]

Yeah.

 

And now that I think of it, the same should have happened with a romanced Liara. She should have ditched Shep for Feron.

 

I think both Liara & the Virmire Survivor should have moved on to someone else during the two years that Shep was dead. Not necessarily Feron though, because even in the comic it was kind of clear that he was in the friendzone.

 

Their arcs might have been a little bit more interesting if Shepard had to win them back.

 

Not that I'm complaining about their existing arcs...but something other than the usual Bioware LI  formula could have been fun. 

[Quarian Master Race]

Its fanbase is among the worst in gaming that I know of, this coming from someone who comes from mostly competitive FPSs. It's simultaneously full of entitled crybabies and wannabe moral relativist, armchair dictator edgemasters. 

The exception being the MP community. Those people are mostly normal.
 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Besides, Shepard already has a ton of reaper tech inside his body (or at least it's hinted at that Cerberus used reaper tech to rebuild Shepard). 

 

Shepard being rebuild with Reaper tech was nothing more than a popular fan theory, which I admittetly believed in, based on the similiarities between renegade Shepard's eyes and TIM's eyes. But like a lot of other things, it never amounted to anything.

 

Unless you believe Bioware to be so subtle and so brilliant not to have such a bomb be dropped during Chronos Station, and if you do, there's an old group here on the BSN that I think you might fit right in with.