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What are you weirdest, most outlandish opinions about the Mass Effect Series?


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#201
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Well, I guess that's why he posted it as unpopular opinion.

I'd suggest you to read the book though. Kai Leng acts more like N7 there, not some ninja in space with mentality of 14 years old.

 

I answered because of his assumption in the second paragraph. I wouldn´t have said anything if he just said "I like Kai Leng, because of xy."



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Was that the book that was so egregiously wrong in its details that it essentially had to be "patched?"

I don't know how it can be wrong if Kai is Karpyshin's character (or not, I'm not sure), but there are only three links which connect game and book Lengs.
They both have name Kai Leng. They both had their legs shot by Anderson. And they both work for TIM.
Book Kai Leng will be close to Shepard if you replace "We Fight or Die, that's the plan!" mentality with racism and slight mental issues.

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Considering how inept and/or corrupt all politicans are in the ME universe, I'd say Shepard is actually doing the galaxy a favor in control by establishing a dictatorship over the milky way.


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I don't know how it can be wrong if Kai is Karpyshin's character (or not, I'm not sure), but there are only three links which connect game and book Lengs.

They both have name Kai Leng. They both had their legs shot by Anders. And they both work for TIM.

Book Kai Leng will be close to Shepard if you replace "We or Die, that's the plan!" mentality with racism and slight mental issues.

 

Yeah, the one I was thinking of was Deception. I only read the first two books, have not read Retribution or that last one.

 

He sucked in the game, in any event.



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For the reasons Kaiser mentioned.  And also, if you are Paragon and believe the Geth have a soul then why would you then take total control over a sentient race of machines? And thus use them for your own purposes.  Sounds far too hypocritical for the Paragon. 
 

Destroying the Reapers is actually more Paragon than Control.  You treat them like the unreasoned with sentient race they are and destroy them.  Not mindless machines you can do as you want with them.  Not after using EDI and Geth being alive as your reasoning.   Renegade Control is the only logical reason behind anyone taking that option.  I would say that Synthesis is the true Paragon choice.
 

True, and there should have been an option to use Cerberus's research on Reaper control from Sanctuary.  It's so bogus how the game auto Paragons Shepard into not even considering the benefits of controlling Reaper ground forces.
 
"The cost was too high." :rolleyes:

Shepard isn't in control. A new being is. Shepard is read in Control.
Also the alternative is Destroying completely the Geth and EDI (I don't Even consider Synthesis). So a Paragon chosing Control over Destroy makes sense.

I disagree on CB as well. That choice is related on trusting Cerberus, Not only on the worth of the CB.

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ME3 should have been unwinnable without the Collector base intact


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ME3 should have been unwinnable without the Collector base intact

 

And only Cerberus had the information on the base and they were indoctrinated 



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Once the extended cut came out I was fine with the Mass Effect 3 ending.  Come at me.

 

I never played ME3 until EC was already a thing, so I was happy with the ending. I did go back and watch the non-EC, it is a bit abrupt but it didn't bother me that much.  :D



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And only Cerberus had the information on the base and they were indoctrinated 

another ridiculous plot line, but even with that, its not like we don't raid our fair share of Cerberus facilities

 

recovering the data is certainly not an impossibility



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another ridiculous plot line, but even with that, its not like we don't raid our fair share of Cerberus facilities

 

recovering the data is certainly not an impossibility

 

I would assume they would keep all that important data at the main base



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I would assume they would keep all that important data at the main base

pretty sure we captured that one too



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pretty sure we captured that one too

 

Yea towards the end of the game, the data would end up pointless at that point



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All your ideas and opinions has been taken note of...

 

...can i have my Mass Effect MMO now, please?  :( 



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ME3 should have been unwinnable without the Collector base intact


This I wouldn't have minded.

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ME3 should have been unwinnable without the Collector base intact


I think the simpler solution would simply be to not have the choice to destroy the base in the first place. From the get go, TIM should have laid out a plan and let Shepard in on it, and equip us with the very thing necessary to clear the collectors out of the base while leaving the facility intact. The fact that the Magic Puck of Doom can either emit a radiation pulse or blow the place to smithereens was silly.
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I think the simpler solution would simply be to not have the choice to destroy the base in the first place. From the get go, TIM should have laid out a plan and let Shepard in on it, and equip us with the very thing necessary to clear the collectors out of the base while leaving the facility intact. The fact that the Magic Puck of Doom can either emit a radiation pulse or blow the place to smithereens was silly.

 

Well, TIM had no idea what was beyond the Omega 4 Relay anyways, and until we check out the Collector cruiser, we don't even know where it leads. We can't prepare for something we don't even know what our goal is, Still TIM believed gathering a dozen ragtag combatants would do the trick and how lucky was that it turned out right.


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Shepard isn't in control. A new being is. Shepard is read in Control.
Also the alternative is Destroying completely the Geth and EDI (I don't Even consider Synthesis). So a Paragon chosing Control over Destroy makes sense.

I disagree on CB as well. That choice is related on trusting Cerberus, Not only on the worth of the CB.

Shepard had a choice and knew just what those choices were before making them and a Paragon Shep who picks control is being very hypocritical. Especially if the reasoning behind it is saving EDI and the Geth because of the belief that they have souls and is thus worth saving.  It's essentially mind controlling an entire race of living beings to do your bidding.   You might as well had let Admiral Xen do her thing to the Geth since control was all she wanted to do anyway. Yet disapproving of Xen is a Paragon option.

 

Note: I don't disapprove of Control, I actually like my Renegade Control Shep. I just think it being considered a Paragon option is ridiculous and not at all fitting with the tons of other Paragon options in game.  It just shouldn't have been a choice open to the Paragon.

 

Since Cerberus was all about controlling Reaper forces it makes total sense that their research should be taken under consideration with the Control option.  It's such a cop out that the Reaper kid would just hand you that option when they fought so hard against Cerberus to prevent them from doing just that. Now suddenly, the Catalyst blows smoke up Shep's a** and tells him that TIM couldn't have done it.  Well if he couldn't have done it then why attack Sanctuary so hard the moment TIM had a breakthrough?

 

Like I said, BW had no clue what to do with the Reapers since ME1 and apparently not even while they were writing ME3.

 

How it should have been done is:

 

Save CB + Use Sanctuary research(Both Renegade options) = Control option unlocked.



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I would've been totally fine with Shepard secretly being a reaper-tech cyborg, in fact it would've been a pretty cool revelation to have right before the end of the trilogy.

And it would have silenced all the naysayers about Shep being brought back in ME2.


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Shepard had a choice and knew just what those choices were before making them and a Paragon Shep who picks control is being very hypocritical. Especially if the reasoning behind it is saving EDI and the Geth because of the belief that they have souls and is thus worth saving.  It's essentially mind controlling an entire race of living beings to do your bidding.   You might as well had let Admiral Xen do her thing to the Geth since control was all she wanted to do anyway. Yet disapproving of Xen is a Paragon option.
 
Since Cerberus was all about controlling Reaper forces it makes total sense that their research should be taken under consideration with the Control option.  It's such a cop out that the Reaper kid would just hand you that option when they fought so hard against Cerberus to prevent them from doing just that. Now suddenly, the Catalyst blows smoke up Shep's a** and tells him that TIM couldn't have done it.  Well if he couldn't have done it then why attack Sanctuary so hard the moment TIM had a breakthrough?
 
Like I said, BW had no clue what to do with the Reapers since ME1 and apparently not even while they were writing ME3.

It's Not hypocritical. One choice leads to the genocide of one species. The other on controlling another. Why is the former a better choice for a Paragon? Both Are against his moral code, but I don't see Why picking genocide should be better then controlling reapers.
Beside, there's the huge difference of What the Geth did and What the Reapers did. If I have to choose a specie to hurt, I'd choose the one it's worse.
Fair enough, Though the ME3's plot should've been a lot different in this case. Based on How ME3 works, the choice in CB is utterly irrelevant, since Shepard decided to work no matter What to destroy TIM's plans.

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My weirdest, most outlandish opinion?  Cerberus's forays into the forbidden knowledge of Reaper tech should have eventuated in the ability for humanity to produce its own Reapers.  Reapers can't be defeated conventionally?  Fine.  We'll make our own.  We have components from the Collector base and years of Cerberus's research into Reaper tech. I can imagine Cerberus propaganda leading to billions of human volunteers who could otherwise make no real contribution to the war effort consenting to be processed and undergoing "ascension."  I imagine a small fleet of Reaper capital ships (or maybe just one capital ship and several destroyers), identical in appearance to the other Reapers, with the lone exception of the gold Cerberus insignia emblazoned on their black hulls.  The Illusive Man would be vindicated, in a way, and would remain a more complex, morally grey character than what we ended up with.  And with the ability to manufacture and actually be a Reaper (or multiple Reapers), part of humanity would gain insight into Reaper motivations, would understand the way that Reapers see the world, would understand what it is like to be a consciousness that is an emergent property of billions of organic minds linked together.  The Starchild could have been written out.  Negotiations (even if only failed ones) could be entered into with the "vanilla" Reapers, maybe with a temporary ceasefire / delay of the harvest.  The final, agonizing decision for Shepard could have been whether to ascend and become part of a Cerberus Reaper, or to retain his or her humanity and try to do things the Alliance's way.  Maybe a few "vanilla" Reapers could be convinced to defect, or at least abandon the harvest permanently due to an unwillingness to engage in hostility against other Reapers, whom they would see as equals.  Still vastly outnumbered, the Cerberus Reaper fleet could pull off a series of unlikely but plausible and believable victories, ending the harvest...for now.  Man, that would have been deeply weird.



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It's Not hypocritical. One choice leads to the genocide of one species. The other on controlling another. Why is the former a better choice for a Paragon? Both Are against his moral code, but I don't see Why picking genocide should be better then controlling reapers.
Beside, there's the huge difference of What the Geth did and What the Reapers did. If I have to choose a specie to hurt, I'd choose the one it's worse.

I disagree.  If you truly value the machine races as living beings then you shouldn't opt to treating them like mindless machines when it suits you to do so. This what Xen wanted to do with the Geth. Control them. Xen had lived without her planet since the day she was born. I would think she has more room to talk than ParaShep on what the Geth deserve. 

 

Destroy Shepard treats the Reapers like a true sentient race of beings they are by destroying them when they prove to be unreasonable.  Just like what we would do if we couldn't reach terms with the Turians or any other living life form.  Proclaiming a machine race as worthy of life while simultaneously choosing to enslave members of that race is a case of talking out of both sides. At least Xen is consistent with her opinions.

 

If Control and Genocide is against ParaShep's moral code then Synthesis is the only viable option. If that is also against ParaShep's moral code, then refuse to use the device. 

 

But anyway, that's just how I feel about it. It doesn't matter to me if you picked control as a paragon. I just have a different view on why I think a Paragon wouldn't or shouldn't take that route.  If anything, I see the option being there for the Paragon as a Paragon Shep's flaw(if they take it) which makes them human. But overall, I just don't think it should have been an option for the Paragon and the best way to ensure that would have been to lock the options behind Paragon/Renegade choices. Save the CB and use the Cerberus research should result in Destroy/Control while Paragon options such as destroying the CB and the Sanctuary research should have been Destroy/Synthesis.
 

 

Fair enough, Though the ME3's plot should've been a lot different in this case. Based on How ME3 works, the choice in CB is utterly irrelevant, since Shepard decided to work no matter What to destroy TIM's plans.

 

Yeah it's too bad the ME2 choice about the base didn't matter.  I don't think the entire game would have needed a rewrite but it would have been nice if certain things were added or omitted based on the CB decision which would lead up to the ending choices.


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#222
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I felt the ME3 ending was sub-par at worst

I feel like Jacob lucked out in cheating on Sheppard because she was creepy toward him in a romance

I think ME3 is much better than ME1

I think Asari Biology is the coolest idea out there and keep wanting to know more about it. I never want to be a Tali Sweat person, but exactly how and what is passed on by fathers and whether it has a true effect on their personalities fascinates me.(True Liara's father was a tough as nails half-Krogan but her parents were both soldiers who wound up one killing the other. Would a child of Charr and Eleba outside of a war be similiar?)

Contrastly, I feel krogan have the most vibrant and detailed culture, to the point that I would willing read a history book on Krogan pre-Rachni Wars.

 

I did not like kasumi

I felt Mordins death was arbitrary in how it was done and made me like him less

I don't like Vanguard's build in ME3 and i didn't even get into the Multiplayer

I felt Vega had no part in the game and should not have been a squadmate

I hate how they keep writing books and comics and actually tying them into the games



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@Hazegurl: The problem is that by choosing Destroy you condemn an entire specie, Which was your ally, to extinction. You're right on Synthesis ans Refuse, but a Shepard can be against the former. Choosing Refuse While believing that if would cause the death of all those people would be...insane. Sometimes you're forced on picking the outcome that isn't as bad as the others.
Another problem is that the Paragon/Renegade think is a lot more complex then this when your start Mixing choices. A Paragon can decide to keep the CB While a Renegade to destroy it.

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I love this thread because it makes me adore every aspect of this game. All the opinions are somehow also true.
Except one.

"I hate the Shadow Broker DLC".

What. How. Wait!

I have also one quite an unpopular opinion too: as a big geek and a dreamer, my favorite part of the whole series is the moment when I can spend the time with Legion and think like a geth. I don't know why it makes me so emotional. It was also the part where I knew that Legion was going to die. Meeting with Vigil on Ilos is the second best, I loved the moment of silence and conversations. Those parts felt heavy on my shoulders too as they made my eyes open in many ways.
I was also a synthesis symphatizer in the beginning when I realized that I deeply hated the reapers and no 5 min talks could've changed of that.
Saved the geths still though. This is a badass Reaper Queen speaking.

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"I hate the Shadow Broker DLC".

What. How. Wait!

 

Wow. Most of Mass Effect's DLC content is pretty top notch, but Shadow Broker singlehandedly gives DLC a good name.

 

Whoever thinks this is clearly occupying a different reality.