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[andy6915]

Well, half brother. The dwarf noble in DAO can actually get a woman pregnant in their origin, and you find out later that she's still casteless along with your child because you also got considered casteless because of your exile. But if you put Bhelen on the throne, he reinstates your class and she becomes noble along with her son (or you become paragon yourself and that will happen anyway). So do you think He ever told Morrigan that he actually has a child besides Kieran, and that he wanted to introduce them to each other because it would be nice for him to know his family isn't just a mother and father? And if Bhelen is indeed on the throne because you found a way to not hate him so much that you sided against him, would it be good for Kieran to know uncle Bhelen?

 

Actually, there's a lot of potential family Kieran could have. City elf's son would have a grandfather and a Shianni and Soris as relatives, mage human's son will have Hawke as a distant relative (second cousin I think, which is what Soris and Shianni would be for CE too?), casteless dwarf's son will have Rica as an aunt and Bhelen once again as an uncle (Bhelen seems to be a lot of people's uncle) and a horrible drunk of a grandmother. Wonder if Kieran got to meet any of these people if he was related to them?

[Boost32]

The only relatives Kieran can know is his father and grandmother.

[andy6915]

The only relatives Kieran can know is his father and grandmother.

 

The only grandmother is Rica's mother... I don't want that to be the only person, by a long shot.

[andy6915]

Oh wait, you meant his grandmother on Morrigan's side of the family. No, not what I meant. You can't headcanon your warden introducing his son to half siblings or other family? The kid has been around for 10 years, that's more than enough time for some family gatherings to have happened.

[Boost32]

Oh wait, you meant his grandmother on Morrigan's side of the family. No, not what I meant. You can't headcanon your warden introducing his son to half siblings or other family? The kid has been around for 10 years, that's more than enough time for some family gatherings to have happened.

They were at the crossroads for a long time, then they were at the Celene's Court (and the Warden might already went to research the calling) and, after that, they went to Skyhold. I cant see they having time to go visit relatives (but I think Morrigan went after a romanced Warden if he didn't follow her).

[Magdalena11]

I suppose it would be possible, but not necessarily a good thing, for Kieran to meet Mardy's son.  Think of how warm and welcoming Goldana was about finding out about a long-lost sibling who's done well for himself.  Mardy's son might very well feel just as cheated as Goldana does.  Kieran's doing well with a mother who loves him, and hopefully Mardy found a way to raise her son too.  With any luck, maybe she eventually did find the noble sponsor she was looking for.

 

I don't think a family reunion would be kind to either child.

[andy6915]

I suppose it would be possible, but not necessarily a good thing, for Kieran to meet Mardy's son. Think of how warm and welcoming Goldana was about finding out about a long-lost sibling who's done well for himself. Mardy's son might very well feel just as cheated as Goldana does. Kieran's doing well with a mother who loves him, and hopefully Mardy found a way to raise her son too. With any luck, maybe she eventually did find the noble sponsor she was looking for.

I don't think a family reunion would be kind to either child.

Um... She's a noble after DAO, as in her son. She and he was casteless for only a bit. Her life has likely been luxury since.

[TheKomandorShepard]

No ,at best you can headcanon that he will ,but given that morrigan pretty much isn't done yet (sadly) i wouldn't count on that unless they will send him off to the warden.

[Aren]

If i were in Kieran shoes,in a similar situation,i would think very poorly of my father.

Is the same situation between Cailan/Alistair  good job Maric, you like to jump from one woman to the other eh?.

[Karlone123]

Although these are very minor differences in the game, I actually like the different relations Kieran can have from being the human grandson of a Dwarven king, Dalish herirtage, to being the cousin of Hawke and Loghain being the father. Obviously these are little player curiosities that I greatly enjoy.

[nightscrawl]

 

If i were in Kieran shoes,in a similar situation,i would think very poorly of my father.

Is the same situation between Cailan/Alistair  good job Maric, you like to jump from one woman to the other eh?.

 

 

Cailan is five years older than Alistair. Cailan's mother, Rowan, died about two years (give or take a few months) before Maric even met Fiona. It was hardly jumping from one woman to another.

 

We know of three confirmed women that Maric had a thing with -- Katriel, Rowan, and Fiona. I'm not sure whether to consider Goldanna's mother or not since we only have her -- a child at the time -- perception of it. And since we now know that her mother is NOT Alistair's, we can't also be sure that the sex did or did not happen. Going back to the three women... he had an emotional connection to all three of them, so it's not like he was just getting his rocks off or anything.

 

 

Regarding Mardy's son specifically, the dwarf noble didn't even know about the pregnancy, and resultant child, until later on. Granted, having sex with a noble hunter wasn't the wisest idea, especially since you know why they want to have sex with you (to have your male child), but the mentality of the dwarf nobles is such that it is an accepted practice. He also had no idea he would be exiled, leaving mother and child (the child he was ignorant of) to be abandoned.

 

And one would also assume from the OP's post that he was referring to a dwarf noble Warden that was in a relationship -- that is, in love -- with Morrigan, and regarded Kieran as his son, rather than just a sperm donor during the Dark Ritual. So I think the difference there matters as well.

 

It's all circumstantial. I don't really feel that a man fathering multiple children by multiple women automatically makes him a scumbag by that virtue alone. Questionable perhaps. But again, details matter.

[JadeDragon]

No love for uncle Fergus I see. But yeah consider what the child was I assume it was a best kept secret. No one knew where the warden was so I would assume no one knew of his son as well.

[andy6915]

No love for uncle Fergus I see. But yeah consider what the child was I assume it was a best kept secret. No one knew where the warden was so I would assume no one knew of his son as well.

...Oh goddammit! I knew I was forgetting a relative, but couldn't place them.

[Jaison1986]

I'm pretty sure Fergus would be heartbroken at meeting Kieran. An sad reminder of what he once had. I don't think it would be wise for Kieran to ever meet his noble relatives, be it his uncle or his half brother. For the dwarfs, it would cause a lot of controversy if it was found out that Aeducan had a human child, while with the Couslands, it's possible they might want Kieran to be the new heir, unless Fergus remarried.

[Augustei]

More importantly. Do you think Kieran ever met his sister: Queen Anora?

Continuing the Mac Tir line is where its at kids.

[Master Warder Z_]

More importantly. Do you think Kieran ever met his sister: Queen Anora?

Continuing the Mac Tir line is where its at kids.

I'd rate the odds of that in the realm of one in ten thousand

[berelinde]

In my game, Kieran doesn't have any brothers. Alistair can't have children.

[Mikka-chan]

To be fair, it's never said that a Warden can't have children, just that it's hard.  In paticular, Alistair mentions he's never heard of two Wardens together having a kid (which probably implies that he's heard of a Warden with a non-Warden having a kid).  If your human Cousland marries Alistair and is romancing Zev, I think there's actually a rather bitchy snark you can make at him about how you two may not have a child together, but *you'll* be having a kid.

 

Having said that, I doubt Alistair is ever going to have a kid, because if he did, they couldn't do yet another game about a succession crisis.  Blame it on Anora possibly being barren or him taking a Warden as his wife/mistress, I suppose.

 

Well, maybe Warden Alistair will get to have a kid.  Just not King Alistair.  Eh.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

 

If i were in Kieran shoes,in a similar situation,i would think very poorly of my father.

Is the same situation between Cailan/Alistair  good job Maric, you like to jump from one woman to the other eh?.

 

 

In Maric's defense in The Calling stated that Alistair was born after Rowan (Cailan's mother) had died. 

[Mac007]

Ooh... I love the idea of Kieran being related to Hawke...

 

But when you think about it, Fiona would also be his grandmother if Alistair was the father. She wouldn't be able to say anything to Kieran or Morrigan, but she would be his Grandmother none the less.

[andy6915]

To be fair, it's never said that a Warden can't have children, just that it's hard.  In paticular, Alistair mentions he's never heard of two Wardens together having a kid (which probably implies that he's heard of a Warden with a non-Warden having a kid).  If your human Cousland marries Alistair and is romancing Zev, I think there's actually a rather bitchy snark you can make at him about how you two may not have a child together, but *you'll* be having a kid.

 

Having said that, I doubt Alistair is ever going to have a kid, because if he did, they couldn't do yet another game about a succession crisis.  Blame it on Anora possibly being barren or him taking a Warden as his wife/mistress, I suppose.

 

Well, maybe Warden Alistair will get to have a kid.  Just not King Alistair.  Eh.

 

The HoF is going to look for a blight cure in DAI. So a female Cousland queen will be taking care of that potential succession crisis, eventually. After all, the Warden never fails what they want to accomplish.

[Aren]

Cailan is five years older than Alistair. Cailan's mother, Rowan, died about two years (give or take a few months) before Maric even met Fiona. It was hardly jumping from one woman to another.

 

We know of three confirmed women that Maric had a thing with -- Katriel, Rowan, and Fiona. I'm not sure whether to consider Goldanna's mother or not since we only have her -- a child at the time -- perception of it. And since we now know that her mother is NOT Alistair's, we can't also be sure that the sex did or did not happen. Going back to the three women... he had an emotional connection to all three of them, so it's not like he was just getting his rocks off or anything.

 

 

 

 

Maric used to be involved with Katriel and Rowan at the very same time

[Aren]

 

In Maric's defense in The Calling stated that Alistair was born after Rowan (Cailan's mother) had died. 

For all the blubbering about the greatness of Maric in DAO, he was a moron,just like the other two father figures in Alistair's life Eamon and Duncan.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I think it would have been interesting if Morrigan ever took Kieren to Highever to see his uncle. If they ever were in danger it could have been an effective haven. Morrigan presumably has the status to do that by now.

[Aren]

More importantly. Do you think Kieran ever met his sister: Queen Anora?

Continuing the Mac Tir line is where its at kids.

In this case Kieran is no heir to the throne,simply because Loghain does not possess titles anymore,simply because he is not acknowledged and most important Anora is a jealous control freak who will live 100 years or more, this is way she is better option than Alistair or Queen Cousland,because she is not a GW.

 

The HoF is going to look for a blight cure in DAI. So a female Cousland queen will be taking care of that potential succession crisis, eventually. After all, the Warden never fails what they want to accomplish.

Yes, so long as they are the player's puppet

 (which only happens during DAO and related Dlc) and are protected by the plot shield,sadly however when the credit rolls they lose their godly status.

I have already expressed my opinion regarding this search for the cure into the neverland,and i found the whole thing to be something far-fetched.