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[ToTOwned]

Hi, I'm having trouble finding the Storm Coast Dragon, i already saw that scene where the giant is fighting whith the dragon, then, i killed the giant but the dragon flies aways.

 

This is it ? or there's a spot where i can find him ?

 

Thanks

[lynroy]

You can't get to it until you unlock an area from a war table mission, "Red Templars on the Storm Coast" which is only available when you reach level 16. There is a boat that takes you to the island where the Dragon resides. And the dragon is a she as are all dragons in DA with wings. (yeah, yeah Old Gods, shut up)

[Excella Gionne]

Dragon Island is where you need to go, but the cave that leads to the boat to travel up to the island is closed until said mission(@lyyroy pointed it out)is done. Storm Coast dragon is a pain if you're not ready for it. It gains armor more frequent than the other dragons that regenerate armor.

[Neuro]

Couldn't bring myself to kill the Storm Coast Dragon (Vinsomer).  High dragon just chilling on her own island, with all her little babes around.  I roll up and Knight Enchanter the **** out of her?  Nah brah, nah.  COLD.  BLOODED.  

 

Same with the Sandy Howler.  She is literally sleeping-- "do not tickle the sleeping dragon."  

The remaining 8 are quickly dispatched by my Inquisitor's own hand, however.  But gotta let these two go  

 

#EnvironmentalisminThedas   

[Master Warder Z_]

That damn howler had it comin

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

I always try to make sure I kill all the baby dragons.

I don't want them to be orphans.

[SporkFu]

i say to the baby dragons (to quote): "It was not my intention to do this in front of you. For that I'm sorry. But you can take my word for it, your mother had it comin'. When you grow up, if you still feel raw about it, I'll be waiting." 

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Kill Bill!

[Master Warder Z_]

*nods*

Those poor black orphans

[Ieldra]

Couldn't bring myself to kill the Storm Coast Dragon (Vinsomer).  High dragon just chilling on her own island, with all her little babes around.  I roll up and Knight Enchanter the **** out of her?  Nah brah, nah.  COLD.  BLOODED.  

 

Same with the Sandy Howler.  She is literally sleeping-- "do not tickle the sleeping dragon."  

The remaining 8 are quickly dispatched by my Inquisitor's own hand, however.  But gotta let these two go

 

#EnvironmentalisminThedas   

You're not the only one. I killed all of them in one playthrough for the crafting materials, but as a rule I like to leave those alone who mind their own business and don't bother anyone. Dragons are such magnificent creatures, I feel bad every time I remove one from the world. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Dragons are monsters o...o hero's kill monsters.

That goes back to the ancient days

[Ieldra]

Dragons are monsters o...o hero's kill monsters.

That goes back to the ancient days

Many a hero's mantle may have been awarded for Indiscriminate killing, but that's not the kind of hero I want my characters to be. 

[andy6915]

Many a hero's mantle may have been awarded for Indiscriminate killing, but that's not the kind of hero I want my characters to be.

 
It should be. Do you not know how high dragons work? They're too dangerous a species to live. The codex says this-
 
"High dragons are seldom seen. They spend most of their time sleeping and mating, living off the prey their drakes bring back. But once every hundred years or so, the high dragon prepares for clutching by emerging from her lair and taking wing. She will fly far and wide, eating hundreds of animals, most often livestock, over a course of a few weeks and leaving smoldering devastation in her wake. She then returns to her lair to lay her eggs and will not appear in the skies again for another century"
 
They wake up, and kill and destroy everything for miles around in their feeding frenzy. The one high dragon near Kirkwall killed hundreds of miners, and likely only didn't start attacking the actual city afterward because Hawke killed her before she could. They weren't nearly wiped out for fun, they're living natural disasters like a really bad earthquake or something. Every high dragon out there is a potential city-ending threat. A "poor innocent sleeping dragon not bothering anyone" is just one bad mood away from taking flight and killing enough livestock to cause entire villages or cites to starve to just attack a village or city directly. They are a serious threat to human survival and society. I don't care if they're majestic animals, they're better off extinct. Letting a high dragon live even while knowing it could be just years or months away from doing a slaughter when you could stop it is pretty damned irresponsible.

[sjsharp2011]

You're not the only one. I killed all of them in one playthrough for the crafting materials, but as a rule I like to leave those alone who mind their own business and don't bother anyone. Dragons are such magnificent creatures, I feel bad every time I remove one from the world. 

 

 

yeah I killed all 10 on one playthrough mostly just so I can say I've done it but on my first playthrough and my current one unless they're between me and my target. However I do kill them if they are between me and my target so it does mean at least a good 6 or 7 of them die but I don't kill all of them. The ones I do kill though I always make sure I put to good use materials wise

[Neuro]

Couldn't bring myself to kill the Storm Coast Dragon (Vinsomer).  High dragon just chilling on her own island, with all her little babes around.  I roll up and Knight Enchanter the **** out of her?  Nah brah, nah.  COLD.  BLOODED.  

 

Same with the Sandy Howler.  She is literally sleeping-- "do not tickle the sleeping dragon."  

The remaining 8 are quickly dispatched by my Inquisitor's own hand, however.  But gotta let these two go 

 

#EnvironmentalisminThedas    

 

 

That damn howler had it comin

 

lol   .  It IS very tempting.  

[Neuro]

 
It should be. Do you not know how high dragons work? They're too dangerous a species to live. The codex says this-
 
"High dragons are seldom seen. They spend most of their time sleeping and mating, living off the prey their drakes bring back. But once every hundred years or so, the high dragon prepares for clutching by emerging from her lair and taking wing. She will fly far and wide, eating hundreds of animals, most often livestock, over a course of a few weeks and leaving smoldering devastation in her wake. She then returns to her lair to lay her eggs and will not appear in the skies again for another century"
 
They wake up, and kill and destroy everything for miles around in their feeding frenzy. The one high dragon near Kirkwall killed hundreds of miners, and likely only didn't start attacking the actual city afterward because Hawke killed her before she could. They weren't nearly wiped out for fun, they're living natural disasters like a really bad earthquake or something. Every high dragon out there is a potential city-ending threat. A "poor innocent sleeping dragon not bothering anyone" is just one bad mood away from taking flight and killing enough livestock to cause entire villages or cites to starve to just attack a village or city directly. They are a serious threat to human survival and society. I don't care if they're majestic animals, they're better off extinct. Letting a high dragon live even while knowing it could be just years or months away from doing a slaughter when you could stop it is pretty damned irresponsible.

 

You make a fair point, but, just to play devil's advocate:

 

1.  Your argument takes as a premise that humankind is somehow superior and more deserving of survival in the world than any dragon species (or, I presume, other species as well).  Which, adressed either morally or evolutionarily, has issues (depending on your perspective).  

---> Agree/disagree?

 

2.  Yes.  Once every hundred years, a dragon eats a **** ton of livestock animals and burns some forest down probably.  Maybe even kills a few humans.  You do realize, even in medieval Thedas, humanity does that in, like, a single week?  Maybe a good couple days, depending on how bloodthirsty they (we) are?  Constantly destroying the surrounding landscape and its inhabitants, be they animal or human, and then warring with each other constantly.  

---> Point being, by comparison, dragons are considerably less murderous and rampage-y than humankind, by a significant differential. 

 

  Again, just playing devil's advocate.  If I were truly strict about the dragon hunting, or found it so morally objectionable, I probably wouldn't have killed the Emerald Graves dragon in one of my playthroughs, since it's really not bothering anyone, but BY GOLLY that loot was GOOD.  I rationalized killing the three Emprise dragons, for sure, for instance.

 

Just food for thought & discussion, I liked your post and that you took the time to quote the codex (oh how I love the Codex).  

Cheers!

[andy6915]

You make a fair point, but, just to play devil's advocate:

 

1.  Your argument takes as a premise that humankind is somehow superior and more deserving of survival in the world than dragon species.  Which, adressed either morally or evolutionarily, has issues (depending on your perspective).  

---> Agree/disagree?

 

2.  Yes.  Once every hundred years, a dragon eats a **** ton of livestock animals and burns some forest down probably.  Maybe even kills a few humans.  You do realize, even in medieval Thedas, humanity does that in, like, a single week?  Maybe a good couple days, depending on how bloodthirsty they (we) are?  

---> Point being, by comparison, dragons are considerably less murderous and rampage-y than humankind, by a significant differential.  

 

  Again, just playing devil's advocate.  If I were truly strict about the dragon hunting, or found it so morally objectionable, I probably wouldn't have killed the Emerald Graves dragon in one of my playthroughs, since it's really not bothering anyone, but BY GOLLY that loot was GOOD.  I rationalized killing the three Emprise dragons, for sure, for instance.

Just food for thought & discussion, I liked your post and that you took the time to quote the codex (oh how I love the Codex).  

 

Cheers!

 

Agree and disagree, both. Yes, we are superior. We have society, true sapience, art, philosophy, language, culture... Things no high dragon has. Those things are indeed enough to make the one that has that stuff superior to the one that doesn't. Yet, even if this were not the case, it doesn't matter. Even if they had all that stuff but still enjoyed wiping out our living areas, we would need to kill them before they kill us like all species do. All species will fight to the death to defend itself, humans included. So even if we weren't morally superior, we would still need to kill them out of self defense anyway.

 

Once every hundred years most often, sometimes shorter. But there's 10 high dragons in the game, and 10 decades in a century. That means that, statistically, at least one of those dragons was likely very close to its "wake up and burn and eat everything" phase. And you have no idea which. So should you respect them and let them all live only to learn it burned 50 children alive in a nearby village, or kill all 10 to be absolutely sure that none of them are close to that phase? I would argue the latter is the correct decision. It's basically a game of Russian Roulette, except you have a chance to empty to gun of all its ammo before playing it. And honestly, I think the Crestwood one was already starting. The damned thing was already eating livestock, just at a slow rate... And only because the villagers had been offering sacrifices of livestock to it to keep it fed, she might have already torched Crestwood if they hadn't.

 

[Neuro]

Agree and disagree, both. Yes, we are superior. We have society, true sapience, art, philosophy, language, culture... Things no high dragon has. Those things are indeed enough to make the one that has that stuff superior to the one that doesn't. Yet, even if this were not the case, it doesn't matter. Even if they had all that stuff but still enjoyed wiping out our living areas, we would need to kill them before they kill us like all species do. All species will fight to the death to defend itself, humans included. So even if we weren't morally superior, we would still need to kill them out of self defense anyway.

 

Once every hundred years most often, sometimes shorter. But there's 10 high dragons in the game, and 10 decades in a century. That means that, statistically, at least one of those dragons was likely very close to its "wake up and burn and eat everything" phase. And you have no idea which. So should you respect them and let them all live only to learn it burned 50 children alive in a nearby village, or kill all 10 to be absolutely sure that none of them are close to that phase? I would argue the latter is the correct decision. It's basically a game of Russian Roulette, except you have a chance to empty to gun of all its ammo before playing it. And honestly, I think the Crestwood one was already starting. The damned thing was already eating livestock, just at a slow rate... And only because the villagers had been offering sacrifices of livestock to it to keep it fed, she might have already torched Crestwood if they hadn't.

 

Well-argued.  I don't know if I agree (nor am I sure if I disagree, however) that sapience-- as we understand it (lit/art/philosophy)-- gives us a moral superiority, but your point is well-taken.  

 

Furthermore, one of the things I think about when I play DA (or any game that involves beast-hunting) is that my feelings of animal rights and environmentalism originate from our current world, i.e. a post-industrial and modern world where we have so greatly affected the natural world around us (and negatively so, an environmentalist would argue).  However, in the world of Thedas, there's no danger of deforestation yet or animals being forced out of their natural habitats-- the frontier does still need to be "tamed," to a degree.  Ergo, dragon-hunting is a form taming of that frontier.  My hesitation comes largely from the fact that there ARE ONLY TEN DRAGONS.  I can assure you in Skyrim I felt little-to-no-remorse after I realized a ) dragons respawn and b ) those assholes kill everything and everyone for fun and c ) NPCs really die from it.  

 

So, in conclusion, totally-- I didn't feel like killing the Howler or the Storm Coast dragon, but I doubt I'll feel too remorseful if I do in another playthrough.  Your point about 10 dragons, 10 100-year spans, etc. is also well-made.  

 

Another aspect that made the dragon-hunting a bit hard for me is the animations are incredibly brutal lol, when the dragon begins to weaken and it hobbles around on one leg.  It's painfully realistic.  But yes, when the Crestwood dragon did that, I certainly kept in mind the innocent guardsmen (and sheep!) it had slaughtered.  It's a personal thing, too though-- I had no qualms/enjoyed the realistic blood and violence when killing darkspawn or venatori, etc., I find myself more sympathetic to animals at least initially.  

 

Good discussion-- cheers!

[andy6915]

Well-argued.  I don't know if I agree (nor am I sure if I disagree, however) that sapience-- as we understand it (lit/art/philosophy)-- gives us a moral superiority, but your point is well-taken.  

 

Furthermore, one of the things I think about when I play DA (or any game that involves beast-hunting) is that my feelings of animal rights and environmentalism originate from our current world, i.e. a post-industrial and modern world where we have so greatly affected the natural world around us (and negatively so, an environmentalist would argue).  However, in the world of Thedas, there's no danger of deforestation yet or animals being forced out of their natural habitats-- the frontier does still need to be "tamed," to a degree.  Ergo, dragon-hunting is a form taming of that frontier.  My hesitation comes largely from the fact that there ARE ONLY TEN DRAGONS.  I can assure you in Skyrim I felt little-to-no-remorse after I realized a ) dragons respawn and b ) those assholes kill everything and everyone for fun and c ) NPCs really die from it.  

 

So, in conclusion, totally-- I didn't feel like killing the Howler or the Storm Coast dragon, but I doubt I'll feel too remorseful if I do in another playthrough.  Your point about 10 dragons, 10 100-year spans, etc. is also well-made.  

 

Another aspect that made the dragon-hunting a bit hard for me is the animations are incredibly brutal lol, when the dragon begins to weaken and it hobbles around on one leg.  It's painfully realistic.  But yes, when the Crestwood dragon did that, I certainly kept in mind the innocent guardsmen (and sheep!) it had slaughtered.  It's a personal thing, too though-- I had no qualms/enjoyed the realistic blood and violence when killing darkspawn or venatori, etc., I find myself more sympathetic to animals at least initially.  

 

Good discussion-- cheers!

 

Well also consider how aggressive they are. High dragons in DAI go berserking crazy at trying to kill you if they so much as see you. You're hundreds of feet away and it's sleeping and you're trying to avoid waking it, you step on a twig and it wakes... And suddenly it's trying everything it can to kill you. You didn't hurt it, threaten it, anything, and yet it's still going to use everything it has to leave you looking like a charred corpse. There is no real life animal in existence that is that violent, and anything that was that violent and that powerful would probably be better off extinct. This is a creature that, upon seeing a 4 year old child by themselves in the woods, would react by instantly clawing them in half or torching them into a blackened skeleton.

 

And I guess you feel pity when they limp, but I don't. They're so powerful that I don't get a pitiable feeling from them. Even when it's limping, it seems to be more in frustration of you making it difficult than it does about it actually being in pain. It never whimpers or acts in pain, even when it's completely knocked down it's still far more focused on killing you than anything else. They're so focused on you that they don't even have a survival instinct, they could easily just fly away and escape but instead choose to to fight you to the death.