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[Draining Dragon]

Of course it's not wrong to say that, but for someone to say that the general populace of a country are comprised of rapists, who also happen to be good people as well, is just, well, ludicrous.

That isn't what he said, though. He's not talking about Mexicans as a whole. He's talking about the illegals that the Mexican government intentionally sends to our country. These illegals fall into two categories:

1. People who are here to get money and send it back to Mexico.
2. Criminals whom the Mexican government so cannot be assed with that their ass occupies another level of reality.

The entire controversy surrounding Trump's comments is the result of his political opponents taking his remarks out of context or blatantly misinterpreting them to discredit him.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

"Hmm. What IF we cut the budget than you might like? Quel horreur!

I imagine it would look something like this:

Stage 1: Denial
Posts of "no, it can't be true!" and "maybe they didn't mean what we think it means!"

Stage 2: Anger
As the truth sinks in, posts of "Gaider, you have betrayed all that is good and righteous!" and furious predictions of financial collapse and boycotts, etc. etc.

Stage 3: Bargaining
Hopeful posts of "Well, if we don't get road infrastructure spending, will we still get public transport expansion projects?" and "Well, since there's still small business tax cuts maybe goods and services tax hikes won't seem that bad" or even "Will we be able to change health insurance policies ourselves?"

Stage 4: Depression
"Democracy is dead", "Canada is dead", etc. ad nauseum as that glorious, scintillating might-have-been is now really gone.

and finally Stage 5: Acceptance
You see the budget it is for what it actually is and enjoy it on its own terms.

or, alternatively Stage 5: Acceptance
You realize it's not the country for you, but might be for other people. You move on.

or, if you really must, you go back to Stage 1: Denial
You refuse to accept the cutting of your beloved prescription drug discount program, or any social welfare program for that matter, and begin a bitter campaign to convince everyone else that it is the travesty you think it is. If you vote in elections, you are determined to hate them-- and voila! You do! Possibly you hang out on Stormfront or BSN.

...at least, that's how it usually happens. Or so I've found over the years. ;)"

10/10, would trust him to steer the ship during a financial crisis, reassure the people, maintain consumer confidence and face any adversity with intelligence and humility.

[KingTony]

Why not Zoidberg?

[breakdown71289]

That isn't what he said, though. He's not talking about Mexicans as a whole. He's talking about the illegals that the Mexican government intentionally sends to our country. These illegals fall into two categories:

1. People who are here to get money and send it back to Mexico.
2. Criminals whom the Mexican government so cannot be assed with that their ass occupies another level of reality.

The entire controversy surrounding Trump's comments is the result of his political opponents taking his remarks out of context or blatantly misinterpreting them to discredit him.

 

In that case, he should have worded his speech better so that he didn't come across like he was talking about something else all together.

[Draining Dragon]

In that case, he should have worded his speech better so that he didn't come across like he was talking about something else all together.

Trump isn't a career politician. He hasn't mastered doublespeak yet.

[breakdown71289]

Trump isn't a career politician. He hasn't mastered doublespeak yet.

 

Lol, too bad for him then I guess.

[Jock Cranley]

I'm here son. It runs in the family. 

 

God is your man, 2016. Bernie Sanders will save us all.

 

...

 

That said, I'd take Hillary over anybody the GOP has yet put forward.

 

 

They have a year, give or take, to find a good candidate.

 

And so do the Dems, for that matter. If they nominate another incompetent piece of multiculturalist ****** bait I'm going to lose my damn mind. 

[The Love Runner]

My vote goes to Kal El for president.

*inb4lexluthor*

[Sinophile]

I'm Mexican and nope, didn't find it offensive. 

I don't suppose you watch Univision? He never did find Obama's certificate. Who do you think builds and staffs his hotels? What I find offensive is that he is a beneficiary of Mexico sending it's "rapists" to the north side of the border, as is any other billionaire who undoubtedly does. Also Dobby, if you visit any agricultural business in the U.S, you won't see too many white people tilling the fields. Also the phrase, "When Mexico sends us their people". He makes it sound like the Mexican government purposefully marches them across the border.

[Fast Jimmy]

Trump isn't a career politician. He hasn't mastered doublespeak yet.

Not the best quality for someone aspiring for the highest, most visible, most powerful office in the Western world.

[Cunning Villain]

I'm here son. It runs in the family. 

 

God is your man, 2016. Bernie Sanders will save us all.

 

...

 

That said, I'd take Hillary over anybody the GOP has yet put forward.

 

Bernie Sanders is the socialist version of Ron Paul. He'll have a base that will drum up support for him every four years, but he'll never get elected.

 

I'd like to mention that I'm a Ron Paul guy and if I end up voting I'll vote for him as a write-in candidate. It won't amount to anything, but I'll be happy with myself.

[Dermain]

I'm here son. It runs in the family. 

 

God is your man, 2016. Bernie Sanders will save us all.

 

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That said, I'd take Hillary over anybody the GOP has yet put forward.

This is sadly true.

 

Trump isn't a career politician. He hasn't mastered doublespeak yet.

 

Which is kind of the problem with politics. This idea that an "outsider" can "get things done" because they are not a career politician is bullocks (yay for stealing slang). It's never as easy as "I'm going to do this, so it will get done" otherwise we wouldn't have so many politicians that fail at meeting their campaign promises. 

 

Bernie Sanders is the socialist version of Ron Paul. He'll have a base that will drum up support for him every four years, but he'll never get elected.

 

I'd like to mention that I'm a Ron Paul guy and if I end up voting I'll vote for him as a write-in candidate. It won't amount to anything, but I'll be happy with myself.

 

They're two sides of the same coin, but really that's just politics in a nutshell.

[Dobbysaurus]

I don't suppose you watch Univision? He never did find Obama's certificate. Who do you think builds and staffs his hotels? What I find offensive is that he is a beneficiary of Mexico sending it's "rapists" to the north side of the border, as is any other billionaire who undoubtedly does. Also Dobby, if you visit any agricultural business in the U.S, you won't see too many white people tilling the fields. Also the phrase, "When Mexico sends us their people". He makes it sound like the Mexican government purposefully marches them across the border.

 

I still don't care. 

 

 

I find it funny how it seems people get offended because I'm not offended. 

[Garryydde]

Can't Dump the Trump.

[Elhanan]

Of course it's not wrong to say that, but for someone to say that the general populace of a country are comprised of rapists, who also happen to be good people as well, is just, well, ludicrous.

Not a fan of Trump, but that is a single sentence lifted out of the context of illegal immigration, I believe; not all immigrants.

[Elhanan]

I don't suppose you watch Univision? He never did find Obama's certificate. Who do you think builds and staffs his hotels? What I find offensive is that he is a beneficiary of Mexico sending it's "rapists" to the north side of the border, as is any other billionaire who undoubtedly does. Also Dobby, if you visit any agricultural business in the U.S, you won't see too many white people tilling the fields. Also the phrase, "When Mexico sends us their people". He makes it sound like the Mexican government purposefully marches them across the border.

It would seem that Hillary is the one that may have originally brought up the Birthing issue. And I do not fault a candidate for being poor or wealthy, though to help fix the economy; prefer the latter for that office.

[Draining Dragon]

Who do you think builds and staffs his hotels? What I find offensive is that he is a beneficiary of Mexico sending it's "rapists" to the north side of the border, as is any other billionaire who undoubtedly does.

He didn't say that all Latinos are rapists.
 

Also Dobby, if you visit any agricultural business in the U.S, you won't see too many white people tilling the fields.

Ah, because clearly, "not white" equals "illegal alien," amirite? /sarc
 

Also the phrase, "When Mexico sends us their people". He makes it sound like the Mexican government purposefully marches them across the border.

They're encouraging people to come to our country illegally. I'd say that qualifies as "sending," no?
 

Not the best quality for someone aspiring for the highest, most visible, most powerful office in the Western world.

The trouble with politicians is that they care more about being liked than following through on their promises. An outsider, especially a businessman, is likely to have more conviction than a run-of-the-mill politician. That's why an outsider might be advantageous.

[Fast Jimmy]

The trouble with politicians is that they care more about being liked than following through on their promises. An outsider, especially a businessman, is likely to have more conviction than a run-of-the-mill politician. That's why an outsider might be advantageous.

Advantageous to who? Clearly not anyone who wants to get anything done. Because politics is all about getting people who'd rather spit on each other than talk to each other to agree how to spend limited resources in a way that is somewhat productive and isn't political suicide for everyone involved in terms of ticking off everyone who voted for them.

Going around saying whatever thought pops in your head in whatever way you want to say it, saying "screw people's feelings" is a terrible, TERRIBLE way to lead. Business leaders get away with this because they have money... they don't have to make any agree or even like them, because they can just fire anyone who doesn't agree with them.

The person in charge of the most prosperous and influential country in the free world cannot be flippant about ticking off ally countries when we have troops committed militarily abroad, nor can we afford to antagonize those who might stand with us when we try to lead the world through tumultuous economic times. This is VASTLY more important than b!tching about brown people "invading" our country, especially when the vast majority of them are hard working people whose pay borders on slave wages, but which keeps huge segments of the service, manufacturing, construction and other industries afloat and competitive.

Being edgy as fvck is not a good quality for a president. EVER.

[Jock Cranley]

I'm sorry, but are people seriously considering Trump?

 

[Draining Dragon]

A leader who spends all day dancing around issues and refusing to take a stand will never get anything done. Being firm doesn't tick off our allies or antagonize other countries; in fact, other countries, be they allies or enemies, will respect us more if we show that we're not to be trifled with. Allies know that we'll be there when they need us, while our enemies know that we'll be there when they step out of line.

By the way, I never said it's good to completely disregard people's feelings. However, this is only one of many factors a leader should consider when making decisions. What's right is not always what's popular.

I'm sorry, but are people seriously considering Trump?

As sad as it may seem, he's our best option at this point.

[Jock Cranley]

As sad as it may seem, he's our best option at this point.

 

Not nearly as sad as you believing that statement.

[Fast Jimmy]

As sad as it may seem, he's our best option at this point.

No. There is another.

https://en.m.wikiped...ki/Wesley_Clark

[Draining Dragon]

Not nearly as sad as you believing that statement.

Really, now? Who will you vote for? Queen Hillary "Whatever-Gets-Me-Votes" Clinton? Jeb Bushier? Bernie "It'll-Work-This-Time" Sanders? Random Paul?

[Fast Jimmy]

Really, now? Who will you vote for? Queen Hillary "Whatever-Gets-Me-Votes" Clinton? Jeb Bushier? Bernie "It'll-Work-This-Time" Sanders? Random Paul?

General Wesley Clark. A retired US army general and past commander of the NATO armed forces. A certified bad arse who, when serving in Vietnam, took a leg full of AK-47 bullets and, instead of retreating, picked up a rifle and led his unit on to overcome the opposing force before allowing himself to receive medical treatment.

Expert on military matters, current economic adviser to heads of state, eminently respected and charismatic enough to win the cameras. He beats the pants off anyone else in the running... even if he's not in the running (yet).