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[Wargrim]

I don't know, if this exactly the right place to address this, but I'm gonna ask anyway. How much does the importer transfer between consoles? I just bought a Xbox One, but I have almost 100 hours of game play on the 360. I would be willing to upgrade if I could transfer my whole inventory via savefiles. I don't want to start from scratch with my collectibles. It's probably my biggest hesitation whether I should upgrade or not.

I know this transfer will transfer your Inquisitor entirely. Bringing all your items as well as story progress over. I am not sure if collectibles are included as "items".

 

Also I do know you need your platforms higher tier. Meaning you can only transfer between PS3 and PS4, and Xbox 360 to Xbox One.

PC users cannot do save transfers to consoles.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Oh for God's sake. The two situations aren't even remotely comparable.

 

You're right. This is far worse than the ME3 ending controversy. This is telling parts of their playerbase that they literally do not care about their money. That we are second-class gamers in their eyes. And that if we want to continue a narrative that we started in this game, we now have to drop $500 on a new console, game, and DLC.

[AresKeith]

You're right. This is far worse than the ME3 ending controversy. This is telling parts of their playerbase that they literally do not care about their money. That we are second-class gamers in their eyes. And that if we want to continue a narrative that we started in this game, we now have to drop $500 on a new console, game, and DLC.

 

That's overreacting 

[NextGenCowboy]

That's overreacting 

 

In a way it may not be. I mean the actual statement about the narrative may be hyperbole, but the sentiment as a whole I agree with.

 

People got pissed because they didn't like the ME3 ending. That's a narrative choice, everyone who played the game, assuming their EMS was high enough, had access to all the endings presented. People may not have liked it, but that's writing, and narrative.

 

This is an actual tangible political/financial choice that will lead to certain players being excluded from the narrative.

 

That said, I'm not particularly upset about either, but I'd love to see the amount of people on the side of saying: "This is fine, and I'm okay with it". And see how many of them are the same ones that complained about some story or character choice along the way they didn't like, or, even better, mouse and keyboard controls.

[Father_Jerusalem]

That's overreacting 

 

It's not. You know it's not, but since this doesn't effect you, you're deciding to be a jackhole to the people it does effect.

 

I hope that that's not a thing that comes with the upgrade to PS4 or Xbone: "Buy a current gen system and become 200% more of a jackhole!"

 

Bioware has made the decision that I, as a consumer, am not worth their time. And so I, as a consumer, have to decide if, going forward, they are worth my time. With this announcement, how the announcement was made, and the utter lack of contact from anyone at Bioware about WHY this decision was made... I honestly don't know if they are.

[AresKeith]

It's not. You know it's not, but since this doesn't effect you, you're deciding to be a jackhole to the people it does effect.

 

I hope that that's not a thing that comes with the upgrade to PS4 or Xbone: "Buy a current gen system and become 200% more of a jackhole!"

 

Bioware has made the decision that I, as a consumer, am not worth their time. And so I, as a consumer, have to decide if, going forward, they are worth my time. With this announcement, how the announcement was made, and the utter lack of contact from anyone at Bioware about WHY this decision was made... I honestly don't know if they are.

 

It's overreaction to say that they think your second class, yes it is bad that they're abandoning a part of their fanbase with DLC support but it's not that woke up one morning and thought "who cares about them anymore and their money, let's just stop supporting there systems". 

 

Yes they should explain to people why they made this decision even though some of us kinda know why they had to it now 

[NextGenCowboy]

Of course we know why. There's been 16 pages here, and multiple threads elsewhere. The point is, I'd like to hear from them on the topic. I'm disappointed by the move, not shocked, not mad (though I am happy others are mad), just disappointed. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't care about trading up copies, or anything else, I'd just like to hear from them the reason. I just want to know whether I'm being lied to or not, or just slightly BSd.

[AresKeith]

Of course we know why. There's been 16 pages here, and multiple threads elsewhere. The point is, I'd like to hear from them on the topic. I'm disappointed by the move, not shocked, not mad (though I am happy others are mad), just disappointed. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't care about trading up copies, or anything else, I'd just like to hear from them the reason. I just want to know whether I'm being lied to or not, or just slightly BSd.

 

And I agree Bioware should talk about why this decision was made themselves 

 

As for bolded part, sadly on BSN no matter what Bioware says it's gonna be a "lie"

[NextGenCowboy]

I think most people around here should be well aware of how PR works. There's a big difference between spinning something for PR purposes, and outright lying though. The former's part of the business, and everyone here should know and accept that (unless they're willing to deal with the raised blood preasure), the latter's something else entirely.

[AresKeith]

They're aware but that still wouldn't stop from automatically branding something they don't like to hear as a lie

[GreatBlueHeron]

Customer service is something bioware doesn't excel at. When the dragon dlc dropped, multiple people weren't getting gold/loot drops when the dragons were defeated. Several people complained in the complaint thread. Bioware addressed OTHER complaints and completely ignored the gold/loot problem. It got fixed on the sly--no acknowledgement whatsoever throughout the entire process of discovering a problem, complaining about it and the fix.

They don't give a ****, and I can't be arsed to give them more money.

[AresKeith]

Customer service is something bioware doesn't excel at. When the dragon dlc dropped, multiple people weren't getting gold/loot drops when the dragons were defeated. Several people complained in the complaint thread. Bioware addressed OTHER complaints and completely ignored the gold/loot problem. It got fixed on the sly--no acknowledgement whatsoever throughout the entire process of discovering a problem, complaining about it and the fix.

They don't give a ****, and I can't be arsed to give them more money.

 

If it got fix doesn't that mean they did acknowledge it just didn't comment on it?

[AerynShep]

I know this transfer will transfer your Inquisitor entirely. Bringing all your items as well as story progress over. I am not sure if collectibles are included as "items".
 
Also I do know you need your platforms higher tier. Meaning you can only transfer between PS3 and PS4, and Xbox 360 to Xbox One.
PC users cannot do save transfers to consoles.

By collectibles I mean at least my weapons and my other gear.

[Wargrim]

By collectibles I mean at least my weapons and my other gear.

You will be just fine then. 

[GreatBlueHeron]

If it got fix doesn't that mean they did acknowledge it just didn't comment on it?

They need to comment on this. Dropping support midway through the dlc support cycle of a game is much, much bigger than the small example I highlighted. People were upset because they were wasting mats on hammers and Bioware couldn't be arsed to tell us if it was working as intended or not. I wasted some mats myself....and stopped crafting hammers after it became clear bioware wasn't talking. That was crappy. But this? Beyond crappy. I paid full price for this game AFTER some small bits of dlc already dropped for this game. I had a reasonable expectation that the ps3 would continue to receive dlc. Seriously, they should have been upfront from the get go, and since they couldn't do that, the least they can do (besides nothing) is throw us a bone.

Good for me there are lots of other developers out there who aren't under EA's thumb. And the ones who want to make money will pay attention to this kind of crap and offer better service to their customers. This cluster is a textbook case of how-to-******-off-your-customers. Every action they're taking is communicating to me that they no longer wish to do business with me--they don't want my money. OK.

[AresKeith]

They need to comment on this. Dropping support midway through the dlc support cycle of a game is much, much bigger than the small example I highlighted. People were upset because they were wasting mats on hammers and Bioware couldn't be arsed to tell us if it was working as intended or not. I wasted some mats myself....and stopped crafting hammers after it became clear bioware wasn't talking. That was crappy. But this? Beyond crappy. I paid full price for this game AFTER some small bits of dlc already dropped for this game. I had a reasonable expectation that the ps3 would continue to receive dlc. Seriously, they should have been upfront from the get go, and since they couldn't do that, the least they can do (besides nothing) is throw us a bone.

Good for me there are lots of other developers out there who aren't under EA's thumb. And the ones who want to make money will pay attention to this kind of crap and offer better service to their customers. This cluster is a textbook case of how-to-******-off-your-customers. Every action they're taking is communicating to me that they no longer wish to do business with me--they don't want my money. OK.

 

Well yes they should comment on this, but to me there are some things that don't need to be commented on like the gold/loot problem you mentioned

[GreatBlueHeron]

Well yes they should comment on this, but to me there are some things that don't need to be commented on like the gold/loot problem you mentioned

Sure it did. Mats are valuable and people were wasting a lot. Bioware could have had the courtesy to let everyone know "yes, its a problem and a fix is in the works". They did that with other problems that did not involving a cost. They just don't care.

[AresKeith]

Sure it did. Mats are valuable and people were wasting a lot. Bioware could have had the courtesy to let everyone know "yes, its a problem and a fix is in the works". They did that with other problems that did not involving a cost. They just don't care.

 

Or they could just fix it and be done with it

 

People made complaints about it, they acknowledged the problem and fixed it. Done

[GreatBlueHeron]

While fixing it was good, I lost valuable mats. So did others. It wouldn't have killed them to say "yes, its a problem, and a fix is on the way, we just aren't quite sure when it'll drop".

[Panda]

It's overreaction to say that they think your second class, yes it is bad that they're abandoning a part of their fanbase with DLC support but it's not that woke up one morning and thought "who cares about them anymore and their money, let's just stop supporting there systems". 

 

Yes they should explain to people why they made this decision even though some of us kinda know why they had to it now 

 

Actually that's very common thing that old gen players feel towards Bioware with DAI.

 

First there was no information about PS3 and XBOX360 versions of the game before release. No trailers, no promotional pictures and so on. There was only information that the experience would be similar as in new gen and nothing would be missing. What in the end wasn't truth, especially now that there is no DLC's. So there was only reassurance, that it would be okay to buy that version and it wouldn't lack much compared to other versions.

 

I have been around here since release, trying to ask Bioware to fix problems on old gen and collecting information of problems that players have and what Bioware devs have said on twitter. This has took me hours and hours work, but I came up with old gen problems thread. We pretty much tried everything in terms of trying to get Bioware notice us and our problems months, half year or so. But they pretty much only focused on PC, that also got bad porting just like old gen. The difference was that Bioware actually did a lot to fix that for PC folks, but did nothing to fix that on old gen. That's why you are saying that old gen's can't barely handle the game, because nothing has been fixed for them since release (8 months). There was also petition, but Bioware hasn't acknowledged us at all, they pretty much abandoned us since release.

 

This DLC thing is just nail in the coffin that has already been laid down. It means that there will not be multiplayer support anymore, it'll slowly die, because there is no additional content, no new characters, no new maps etc. Single player will have lack of story content as well. Seeing how the news were delivered it really seems like they are completely alienating old gen people who don't want to upgrade and buy new version of their game. Save import info is like throwing a thin robe to the pit we are laying abandoned and expecting people to grap it joyfully and crawl from the pit to the players that matter.

[AerynShep]

You will be just fine then.

Thanks for the info. While the 360 version was capable on its own, I would like to play all the dlc:s like with the previous games. So upgrading seems to be my only choice.

[beccatoria]

In a way it may not be. I mean the actual statement about the narrative may be hyperbole, but the sentiment as a whole I agree with.

 

People got pissed because they didn't like the ME3 ending. That's a narrative choice, everyone who played the game, assuming their EMS was high enough, had access to all the endings presented. People may not have liked it, but that's writing, and narrative.

 

This is an actual tangible political/financial choice that will lead to certain players being excluded from the narrative.

 

That said, I'm not particularly upset about either, but I'd love to see the amount of people on the side of saying: "This is fine, and I'm okay with it". And see how many of them are the same ones that complained about some story or character choice along the way they didn't like, or, even better, mouse and keyboard controls.

 

It's something I find sociologically interesting if nothing else. 

 

People were generally very quick to dismiss financial, technical or creative reasons as acceptable excuses to upset part of the fan base when it came to ME3's ending.  The clear majority opinion was that customer service and respect for the fanbase should come first if they expected any consumer loyalty and fairness was paramount.  The argument was often presented as an issue of false advertising, reasonable expectation, fairness to the consumer - there was a movement to frame it as a business transaction and to assign upset fans rights based on their status as consumers. 

 

Now financial, technical and creative reasons are all being given as reasons that it is acceptable (or even necessary) to upset part of the fanbase and to claim that they shouldn't be considered in light of their status as consumers.

 

The situations are fundamentally different because - as noted in the quote above - only the DAI situation involves excluding certain people from certain parts of the game, whereas the ME3 situation did not.  It's perfectly reasonable to find yourself on different sides of the issues (I certainly do).  I'm not trying to start a debate about which position is more acceptable.  I've made my position on the DAI situation clear, and none of us will benefit from rehashing ME3 ending. 

 

But I find it interesting that - as a community - we are quicker to excuse a situation that will disadvantage and actively exclude certain players than we were to excuse a disappointing end to a story, even though we use the exact same language to do so.

 

I'm not entirely sure what conclusions to draw, but...yeah.  It's interesting.

[Novos]

It is astonishing how the software business can get away with such practices compared to other industries and somehow it is ok or even a routine...

 

I am not talking about gaming alone but the whole software industry in general from mobile to enterprise you name it. I think that software business in general really needs some serious regulation both locally and globally. It is out of control. It has gone too far and too long against the consumer. It needs to stop... 

[Panda]

It is astonishing how the software business can get away with such practices compared to other industries and somehow it is ok or even a routine...

 

I am not talking about gaming alone but the whole software industry in general from mobile to enterprise you name it. I think that software business in general really needs some serious regulation both locally and globally. It is out of control. It has gone too far and too long against the consumer. It needs to stop... 

 

I agree. It really seems to be sellers world there and everything is buyers fault for buying the product. Especially I think this broken and unworking products like games should be refunded, like there was broken copies of DAI that never were refunded and there isn't much to protect customers over that.

[Beama Beorhtost]

I haven't been able to go through all the posts since last time I was in the thread but it seems to me that people are trying to justify BW actions saying things that can be summed up as 'You got the vanilla game, that's all that you were promised' or 'technical limitations, deal with it' or the good old 'adagio' 'Is your fault as you're ignorant [and didn't use the crystal ball to check the game performance on old gen platforms prior release] and naively thought it would work'.

 

As for the latter, we heard it plenty of times from the trolls trying to shut us up in 'old gen problems' thread so won't even go there.

 

The first two assertion though deserve commenting.

 

Firstly, the ending to the game is not an proper ending but a good old fashion cliffhanger, it didn't even need a 'to be continued' sign for us to know that the story is not complete, therefore I feel that not allowing us to get the future DLCs it is consigning us to an incomplete story and, as I said previously, I ain't going to pay again for a game which I already own and completed despite all the problems, bugs and glitches. What I want to know is what happen after the actions of a certain elf at the end, as per pre and post credit scenes suggestions, and that will only happen in a DLC or expansion. 

 

Secondly, technical limitations. Well, if that is what is down to...THEY SHOULD HAVE NOT RELEASED IT ON OLD GEN CONSOLES IN THE FIRST PLACE! How many time do we have to say it, we old gen folks would have been perfectly fine with it and looked forward to the first opportunity to upgrade and play the new chapter in our beloved DA saga! That they are not even offering a free digital copy of the upgraded game to the players that already owns it in the old format is a disgrace. Come on, FO4 will come with a free copy of FO3 and BW/EA can't give us a free copy for a game that we have already paid for (pre-ordered deluxe edition in my case) and played?