So... what about us who had a ps3 and went to xbox one or had a xbox 360 and went to ps4.... Were screwed pretty much just because we are not loyal to one console or company and switched it up.
Yup, that's the boat I'll be in. Saying goodbye to my 200+ hours completionist playthrough and starting over just to get the rest of the story is gonna be so fantastic. ![=]](https://lvlt.forum.bioware.com/public/style_emoticons/default/sideways.png)
as a ps4 owner I look forward to the true dlc as to what the game should've been like, I do sympathize with old gen players though
I got my copy of the game (PS3 version) as a Christmas gift last year. Like I'm going to trash a gift from a beloved family memember and a system, ancient as it maybe, it has yet to fail despite suffering from multuple hard power outages throughout the house. Nope, I'm done with you Bioware.
It's unfortunate, I had been a fan of Bioware ever since I played Jade Empire many years ago and had since been a fan clear up until this little stunt that may or may not have be solely their descision, I wouldn't know noneless it is their name tagged to the game.
Should have announced this snag at the start, in least put a warning label "this game may not be up to snuff down the road".
Should have never released just one (story oriented) DLC, none at all would have been preferable than getting baited in and hooked.
Should have never released it for the old-gen consoles.
I would have been fine, peachy.
Would have gone out and eventually upgraded, bought the game, DLCs etc. As I have with nearly all of Dragon Age and Mass Effect games. Not anymore. I have neither the desire or funds to upgrade at this time.
Guess I'll join the Witcher bandwagon, stick with Bethesda because I am absolutely done with this company.
I hope the people that bought the game for PS4/One/PC get better content out of this, I really do, at least then something good might have come out of this.
so if we follow those step we still keep all our item ? and can we import it from any place in the game save or just end game?, cause i got the blasted deluxe in the ps3,those that mean i need too get the deluxe on the ps4 or i can get the use up dai for it (not planning of buy tthis game new) i will get a ps4 but not untild for a while since there not a lot of game i want and this game is at the bottom right about now.
Yes, all items, journal/collection/codex/etc progress, Inquisitor, everything transfers over. Two of the files I migrated had not finished the main game yet, and everything is where it left off. I've been playing them normally since the transfer.
And yes, you will have to get the Deluxe or Deluxe upgrade if you had it on the last-gen system, because your install set-up on the next-gen system needs to match the old one for the files to transfer. The PS4 copy I bought on sale wasn't Deluxe like my original copy was, and I just bought the Deluxe upgrade. Put the PSN store discount code that came with the PS4 to use.
I game on PC, I blame the bad hair on last-gen consoles. However, I cannot condone publishers/developers releasing a game on last-gen and then cut them off midway thus I must support the last-gen owners in this case. If they can do it to one of us and get away with it, they will surly do it to all of us.
Just as an aside: If you blame the graphical quality of the hair on oldgen, fair enough. But I wouldn't blame the quality of the styles themselves on it. There are some great styles that are unavailable to the Inquisitor in the game (and one or 2 for the Inquisitor), not to mention the fact that making good-looking hair isn't actually that hard.
Why is everyone assuming they had to do this because the old gen couldn't handle the new dlc? I doubt their next dlc is going to be radically different or more complex than any of the previous content we've seen. Most likely this was done because of weak sales. I mean jaws of hakkon wasn't that great and offered nothing new in terms of gameplay and anyone thinking this means that the next dlc is going to be radically better than previous content has lost their damn mind.
They are assuming that because they're being optimistic. Better that they scrap oldgen to make better DLC than scrap it because of money, and good content is good content. We will see if the new DLC is actually something that is
1. Amazing
2. Could only run on newgen
and find out which was the reason. We just don't know yet.
Something to think about though: If they did scrap oldgen because, say, JoH sold poorly on it, it was partly because of the exclusivity deal. Fewer people on PS3, PS4 and Xbox 360 bought Jaws of Hakkon because:
1. They were either too spoiled to want to, having to wait over a month to get it
2. Didn't get it on principle, because of the exclusivity
3. Were not satisfied with the reviews from players, even though they may have simply bought it on launch day if it was released on the same day for everyone. And there are a lot of people who do that. I'm usually one of them.
With those reasons in mind, even if the oldgen player count, and therefore sales potential, was lower than newgen, Bioware still lost some sales because of the exclusivity deal. I'd be annoyed if I were them. So if they decided to scrap oldgen because of poor sales, this is part of why they had poor sales, and ends up being slightly ironic.
And yes, you will have to get the Deluxe or Deluxe upgrade if you had it on the last-gen system, because your install set-up on the next-gen system needs to match the old one for the files to transfer. The PS4 copy I bought on sale wasn't Deluxe like my original copy was, and I just bought the Deluxe upgrade. Put the PSN store discount code that came with the PS4 to use.
Wait, am I reading this right? If you paid extra for the deluxe edition on oldgen, not only does it not transfer over, but you actually have to buy it again for your game to run? You can't just say "Meh, I didn't like that content, not the end of the world"? You have to re-buy it?
*Sigh* All of this is giving me a headache...
Wait, am I reading this right? If you paid extra for the deluxe edition on oldgen, not only does it not transfer over, but you actually have to buy it again for your game to run? You can't just say "Meh, I didn't like that content, not the end of the world"? You have to re-buy it?
*Sigh* All of this is giving me a headache...
Yes, otherwise the content in your file from the previous installation wouldn't work, and I imagine that might cause wonkiness in the game.
It isn't a big deal for me personally, since I was already planning to re-purchase deluxe along with the PS4 copy, long before any of this was announced. Just moved my plans up a few months. I bought the PS3 version of the game knowing I was going to do this eventually. Being able to transfer my Inquisitors simply made it sweeter.
So why do people think Bioware/EA made this decision. My guess is that they didnt do it to ****** players off
Is it because it is too expensive to continue to create content for 5 systems?
Is it because the old gen systems cant or wont be able to handle new material?
Whatever the reason, I am sure it weighed heavily on their minds, and the decision was not made lightly.
I believe it's the latter. If the survey description is correct, it sounds like the big last DLC is more full blown expansion sized than what we saw with Jaws. I think they were looking at having to release something of unacceptable quality to make it available to everyone (if adding something that size on last-gen was stable at all, which I have serious doubts), or doing what they did. Even if I couldn't upgrade to PS4, I would still support that decision for the long run, because I care about the story and the series. I'm still glad it was available on last-gen in the first place, but it was clearly pushing the limits at the time. Gotta move on eventually. I don't believe it was lightly made decision for them either.
So why do people think Bioware/EA made this decision. My guess is that they didnt do it to ****** players off
Is it because it is too expensive to continue to create content for 5 systems?
Is it because the old gen systems cant or wont be able to handle new material?
Whatever the reason, I am sure it weighed heavily on their minds, and the decision was not made lightly.
I, however, am not so sure it weighs heavily on their minds. Maybe you should read my post about apologies and explanations. Surely if they didn't make the decision lightly and regret hurting the oldgen players, they'd have said something! I showed how easy it is to make an apology. They could easily apologize, or even just explain why they did what they did, either on the blog posts and their personal accounts. Instead, nothing. So forgive me if I'm not absolutely convinced that they love us.
Yes, otherwise the content in your file from the previous installation wouldn't work, and I imagine that might cause wonkiness in the game.
I understand it needs to have the content for the saves to work. That's fine. My gripe is that you don't get it free. They even made it so you'd get JoH for free if you bought it before upgrading. I'm just saying the deluxe edition content needs to work the same way.
I understand it needs to have the content for the saves to work. That's fine. My gripe is that you don't get it free. They even made it so you'd get JoH for free if you bought it before upgrading. I'm just saying the deluxe edition content needs to work the same way.
I think the difference is that Deluxe isn't exactly a DLC, it's meant to be a slightly upgraded version of the main game, so it isn't crossbuy the same way the main game isn't.
So why do people think Bioware/EA made this decision. My guess is that they didnt do it to ****** players off
Is it because it is too expensive to continue to create content for 5 systems?
Is it because the old gen systems cant or wont be able to handle new material?
Whatever the reason, I am sure it weighed heavily on their minds, and the decision was not made lightly.
Sure would be nice if they actually, you know, EXPLAINED THE REASONING.
They should know by now that "lots of speculations for everyone" simply doesn't work.
I think the difference is that Deluxe isn't exactly a DLC, it's meant to be a slightly upgraded version of the main game, so it isn't crossbuy the same way the main game isn't.
That may be true in theory, but in practice, it's a DLC. Whether you get a code with your copy or buy it, you still download it, so they could still give you another code to download it, or however they're dealing with the JoH crossover. In addition, it's not actually an upgraded game, it's a few items like the Spoils packs. Bottom line is, you shouldn't have to pay for it twice, just like JoH, just like the base game.
Yes, all items, journal/collection/codex/etc progress, Inquisitor, everything transfers over. Two of the files I migrated had not finished the main game yet, and everything is where it left off. I've been playing them normally since the transfer.
And yes, you will have to get the Deluxe or Deluxe upgrade if you had it on the last-gen system, because your install set-up on the next-gen system needs to match the old one for the files to transfer. The PS4 copy I bought on sale wasn't Deluxe like my original copy was, and I just bought the Deluxe upgrade. Put the PSN store discount code that came with the PS4 to use.
so i am stuck of rebuying that blasted version again if i need too keep playing? and not having the orignal version instaid? this is bs! 
that damn deluxe version for ps4 is like 100$! i am not gonna spend 600$ (ps4 with it) just too play this
so i am stuck of rebuying that blasted version again if i need too keep playing? and not having the orignal version instaid? this is bs!
http://www.amazon.co...4/dp/B00JUFT1F6
Currently easy to find for 30 dollars, and the Deluxe add-on is ten dollars, so it's actually more like 40 than 100. With a discount, my own cost was more like $37.
http://www.amazon.co...4/dp/B00JUFT1F6
Currently easy to find for 30 dollars, and the Deluxe add-on is ten dollars, so it's actually more like 40 than 100. With a discount, my own cost was more like $37.
Whether it's $100 or $70 or $30 dollars, it's still more than they should pay. All cross-gen games should be free on the new platform if you bought it for the old one. That's my opinion, anyway. And it's not ridiculous. Microsoft is releasing 360 games for the One for free, as long as you own them. It's no different in my view. They're all games you bought and are now playing on a new system.
Whether it's $100 or $70 or $30 dollars, it's still more than they should pay. All cross-gen games should be free on the new platform if you bought it for the old one. That's my opinion, anyway. And it's not ridiculous. Microsoft is releasing 360 games for the One for free, as long as you own them. It's no different in my view. They're all games you bought and are now playing on a new system.
Microsoft wants you to buy the XBox One. Giving away updated versions of their (old) games is an incentive to do so.
EA/BioWare wants you to buy the game.
They should think it as wanting us to buy DLCs. Now we can't.Microsoft wants you to buy the XBox One. Giving away updated versions of their (old) games is an incentive to do so.
EA/BioWare wants you to buy the game.
They should think it as wanting us to buy DLCs. Now we can't.
Yup, they know this.
The game itself makes a profit for them, but it's a bulk profit. They're making money because they've sold a lot of units. DLC are much more profitable on a per-unit basis, but unless they can sell those units, the DLC won't be successful overall. That's why they won't make another full-sized expansion like Awakening, and that's why this decision, while necessary, is financially painful for them. They're alienating - and potentially losing - a lot of customers over it.
If the decision were mine to make, I'd allow last-gen players the option to download a digital copy of the game for free, or if that were impossible, let them have it for the cost of distribution. It would be a good move for them because once the game is paid for, additional downloads don't cost them anything, but it would gain a lot of goodwill and it would keep the game on player systems for longer. You can't sell DLC to people who are no longer playing the game, so they'd want to keep people playing as long as possible. And if they could sell those players DLC, it would even be possible for them to recoup their losses.
Yup, they know this.
The game itself makes a profit for them, but it's a bulk profit. They're making money because they've sold a lot of units. DLC are much more profitable on a per-unit basis, but unless they can sell those units, the DLC won't be successful overall. That's why they won't make another full-sized expansion like Awakening, and that's why this decision, while necessary, is financially painful for them. They're alienating - and potentially losing - a lot of customers over it.
If the decision were mine to make, I'd allow last-gen players the option to download a digital copy of the game for free, or if that were impossible, let them have it for the cost of distribution. It would be a good move for them because once the game is paid for, additional downloads don't cost them anything, but it would gain a lot of goodwill and it would keep the game on player systems for longer. You can't sell DLC to people who are no longer playing the game, so they'd want to keep people playing as long as possible. And if they could sell those players DLC, it would even be possible for them to recoup their losses.
The problem is that last gen console owners would still have to buy a XB1 or PS4. If the gamer has no intention of buying a current gen system then there is no selling of dlc to them anyway. The question comes is the number of gamers who are going to upgrade to XB1 or PS4 enough to justify giving a free upgrade of the game. If that number is not sufficient then Bioware/EA will not make enough money to recoup their losses.
The problem is that last gen console owners would still have to buy a XB1 or PS4. If the gamer has no intention of buying a current gen system then there is no selling of dlc to them anyway. The question comes is the number of gamers who are going to upgrade to XB1 or PS4 enough to justify giving a free upgrade of the game. If that number is not sufficient then Bioware/EA will not make enough money to recoup their losses.
A sad and disgusting truth.
Nobody needs to cares about trust, morals and ethics anymore. Making money is the no.1 priority and maybe soon in the not far away future, selling one's own mother for profit would also be acceptable - "Well, that is how businesses work. Gotta make da $$. Welcome to the real world of capitalism."
Hope I wont live to see that day.
I am a console owner. I am unaffected by this. But it still makes me sad.
A purchase is a contract in broader terms than the strictly legal ones. It is the creation of an agreement between you, the player, and the creator of the game - that for your money you will get the full experience that the game you bought provides. Sure, we can debate whether the technical limitations merit this measure or not, but the fact that we are here, the fact that we are discussing this and having this incredibly heated, emotional and, in some instances, outright charged polemic, speaks of one thing I think we can all agree, regardless of our respective attitudes towards any potential fairness of this step or our gaming platform of choice:
this, put simply, is a breach of trust.
Lets be honest here - I am not making any wild claims when I present that a grand total of zero people here seriously believed that whatever full new installment in the series would follow Inquisition would also be available on the previous - gen platforms. This happens all the time - series switch platforms between installments, it is a thing that happens. But there is absolutely no precedent for this happening in the middle of a games life cycle. None. Nobody expected this. Nobody reasonably could. I dont think I am outrageously wrong in saying that generally, when a person buys a game, there is a reasonable expectation on their part to be able to experience it in full until it is replaced by its successor. We have entered into this transaction also under these implicit terms and there could not possibly have been a single shred of doubt in out minds at the time that they would not be upheld.
I feel so sorry for you, last-gen people. So very sorry.
And yes, you will have to get the Deluxe or Deluxe upgrade if you had it on the last-gen system, because your install set-up on the next-gen system needs to match the old one for the files to transfer. The PS4 copy I bought on sale wasn't Deluxe like my original copy was, and I just bought the Deluxe upgrade. Put the PSN store discount code that came with the PS4 to use.
It just gets worse and worse. That is absolutely ludicrous. It makes it even more of an imperative that they should provide last gen users with a free copy on next gen.
Microsoft wants you to buy the XBox One. Giving away updated versions of their (old) games is an incentive to do so.
EA/BioWare wants you to buy the game.
Pretty much this Xbox one is losing right now they are trying to offer things to get you to buy free games, cheaper console etc...
Xbox one is actually 100$ cheaper right now in Canada at least so if you dont own a next gen console i suggest xbox one here you wont miss the 1080p on ps4 and xbox one will still look amazing. I have compared some games side by side no big differences unless your looking its nothing like owning a ps3 was with alot of games being broken.
Whether it's $100 or $70 or $30 dollars, it's still more than they should pay. All cross-gen games should be free on the new platform if you bought it for the old one. That's my opinion, anyway. And it's not ridiculous. Microsoft is releasing 360 games for the One for free, as long as you own them. It's no different in my view. They're all games you bought and are now playing on a new system.
Microsoft wants you to buy the XBox One. Giving away updated versions of their (old) games is an incentive to do so.
EA/BioWare wants you to buy the game.
You keep explaining things to me like I don't know it's how it works. I'm explaining how it should work.
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