Tis not a "free copy" Tis an "Upgrade". Since they will drop future support to oldgen, they should at least offer legitimate oldgen owners a free upgrade of their copy of DAI - Not asking them to buy a copy of the same game again.
Support means bugfixes patches and help with technical issues. Support doesn't mean content. When you brought the base game on ps3/ xbox360 you got what you paid for.When you got Jaws of Hakkon on oldgen you got what you paid for.
You bought the base game. CONTRACT HAS ENDED! BioWare does not owe you anything. Any assumption that you have on receiving more DLC for purchase is on you and you alone. YOU made that assumption not BioWare they did not say at the start prev-gen is going to receive X amount of DLC.
The more entitled you act the more I'm starting to side with "Haha suck it" group
Bioware did not say old-gen wont receive DLC like the rest as well. People who purchase on that platform did not expect unequal treatment.
I am not freaking affected but I am not a brainless fanboy who suck up every piece of lousy abuse publishers and developers dish out to consumers just because it does not affect me.
Go ahead, tell other consumers to "suck it" when they are being treated unfairly and hope pray that you will not find yourself in their shoes someday.
Yeah, they can legally do it, just as I can legally walk away and do nothing if I see you being attacked on the streets.
No, it wouldn't have happened without an event from DAO: The Blight striking Lothering. Other than that, everything that happens in DA2 still would have happened regardless of the events in DAO. In fact, we never actually see the Blight hit Lothering in DAO so that event isn't even in that game.
And no, it didn't. That cliffhanger went nowhere.
Witch Hunt brought up no questions that didn't already exist in the vanilla game.
The only thing that interconnects the stories is that they all take place on the same continent and the most basic of events. And that's what Bioware wanted. They wanted a bunch of separate stories exploring Thedas.
The Blight didn't hit Lothering because we passed through there before it was destroyed? At least part of your starting party originally fleeing Ostagar? Alright. Flemeth needed Hawke to deliver the amulet to Sundermount. Why? Because the Warden may or may not have "killed" her, and she anticipated it. And again, we have a link between games with Flemeth pulling strings.
We don't have any real idea what Morrigan finds through the eluvian until DA:I. And if you don't romance Morrigan, Witch Hunt ends with her dropping that mystery book, and there's no answer to what that is until DA:I. If your Warden has a child with Morrigan and happens to not romance her, she also takes the kid through the eluvian and leaves you with even more cryptic business. If that's in your world state, there are no answers until DA:I. Considering how Morrigan and Flemeth's story ends up relating in a big way to the revelations in DA:I, that isn't insignificant.
Each game or expansion so far has always included some character from the previous game. Oghren to Awakening, Anders/Merrill/Isabela to DA2, Varric to DA:I. (Isabela in DA:I if you happen to play the multiplayer.) It's a nice continuity nod.
Each game has built on the events preceding it. They change focus, but the history and the people continue to impact the story. There's clearly an overarching story.
It's also very unlikely that a final DLC is going to answer all questions and not lead into a future game somehow.
Bioware did not say old-gen wont receive DLC like the rest as well. People who purchase on that platform did not expect unequal treatment.
I am not freaking affected but I am not a brainless fanboy who suck up every piece of lousy abuse publishers and developers dish out to consumers just because it does not affect me.
Go ahead, tell other consumers to "suck it" when they are being treated unfairly and hope pray that you will not find yourself in their shoes someday.
Yeah, they can legally do it, just as I can legally walk away and do nothing if I see you being attacked on the streets.
Support means bugfixes patches and help with technical issues. Support doesn't mean content. When you brought the base game on ps3/ xbox360 you got what you paid for.When you got Jaws of Hakkon on oldgen you got what you paid for.
And what old gen owners pay for is off less value than others. Where is that information when they bought the game on ps3/xb360?
Those who keep defending EA/Bioware. Do you know what you are defending? You are defending unfair (yes I know tis not illegal) business practice and even discrimination.
They have 2 ways to do this right:
2. Release a PS4, XB1, PC only sequel and show us how awesome they can be without them shackles.
Because showing what they can do without the shackles by making Inquisition remake has so much to do with the old gen players, right?
Do you comprehend the issue? The issue is not about what Bioware's future titles are.
The issue is about how shitty it is to expect users to buy the same game 2x if they want to complete their inquisitor's story.
Unless you work for bioware or ea. I dont understand how a consumer can defend them or make excuses on their behalf for :
"EXPECTING PEOPLE TO BUY THE SAME GAME TWICE TO COMPLETE THE STORY THEY STARTED"
I'm so confused by you. You're the first one who mentioned a sequel. You said they had two ways to do this right.
I am not freaking affected but I am not a brainless fanboy who suck up every piece of lousy abuse publishers and developers dish out to consumers just because it does not affect me.
No. I can separate my emotions from my logical analysis. I understand how businesses work, doesn't mean I agree with it or condone it. This is a bit cruel for BioWare to do, but I understand why. Businesses don't thrive on what's right; they thrive on money. Which many people in this thread are forgetting and screaming "GIVE ME FREE STUFF I DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE!"
But go ahead call me a fanboy, you're only proving my point and that is you're entitled.
And I'm sure people would rather keep all their saves/data than start are over again
That's the odd thing about the save editor. It's only really useful if you're halfway through a playthrough. There is no newgame+, so you'd have to remake your Inquisitor either way if you wanted to replay them. I mean, it's good, but not quite as useful as it sounds.
You bought the base game. CONTRACT HAS ENDED! BioWare does not owe you anything. Any assumption that you have on receiving more DLC for purchase is on you and you alone. YOU made that assumption not BioWare they did not say at the start prev-gen is going to receive X amount of DLC.
The more entitled you act the more I'm starting to side with "Haha suck it" group
I really don't think that's entitled. It's perfectly reasonable to expect that all DLC will be released on all platforms unless it is stated otherwise beforehand. You can cite legal loopholes all you want, but that doesn't make it okay.
I also don't think wanting a free copy once you upgrade is entitled. Do you know what Microsoft is doing with 360 games? Making them backwards compatible for the One, and if you owned them on the 360, they're free. Great! That's the right thing to do.
Well, guess what: There is no effective difference between getting a game you already bought for free on a new console, and getting a game you already bought for free on a new console. This should be standard. We shouldn't even need to have this discussion.
Support means bugfixes patches and help with technical issues. Support doesn't mean content. When you brought the base game on ps3/ xbox360 you got what you paid for.When you got Jaws of Hakkon on oldgen you got what you paid for.
Have that opinion if you want, but we don't even know if even your definition of support is still going to happen for oldgen. It's not just DLC. It's looking like there will also be no more patches or bugfixes; nothing. And oldgen needs those fixes even more than newgen.
No. I can separate my emotions from my logical analysis. I understand how businesses work, doesn't mean I agree with it or condone it. This is a bit cruel for BioWare to do, but I understand why. Businesses don't thrive on what's right; they thrive on money. Which many people in this thread are forgetting and screaming "GIVE ME FREE STUFF I DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE!"
But go ahead call me a fanboy, you're only proving my point and that is you're entitled.
Who the hell cares about how business works? Businesses have never changed based on feedback? Laws have never changed? Something doesn't magically become bad just because a new law was passed. It was either always bad, or it wasn't. Laws catch up to us. You're basically saying that because it's allowed, it should be. That it's okay to keep doing it this way because - if I can quote Dorian:
"That's how it's always been done. Excellent reasoning."
Well we're saying it shouldn't be done this way, and I have no idea why you would have a problem with us trying to pave the way to businesses that respect the consumer. It's perfectly possible for EA to make gobs of profits and respect us at the same time. Really.
And I'd just like to thank all of the unaffected people who are just as disgusted with this as the oldgen people.
I ran out of likes, so here's my like.
I'm disappointed with the community. There was more solidarity over the mass effect 3 endings outrage. When did everyone become so apathetic? I became a Bioware fan 3 years ago. I've spent around 500.00 or more american for 6 games, dlc and a nice chunk on multiplayer (esp. me3mp). All games were bought new (even if they weren't bought at original retail price). Sad to say I'm no longer financially supporting Bioware or anything with an EA stamp all because of how they handled this. If I buy any games, I will get them used. No more dlc. No more money spent on mp. They lost a good customer. And by their radio silence, their message was sent and received loud and clear--they no longer wish to do business with me and they don't care. Fine by me--if you want to focus on the short term at the expense of the long, that's on you. I am grateful that not every publisher and developer behaves the way that EA and Bioware behaves. I'll give my money to businesses who don't double dip their customers.
I'm so confused by you. You're the first one who mentioned a sequel. You said they had two ways to do this right.
Sorry if I come across as in-cohesive - I must have loose track of the multiple thread I was replying to.
The reason I say the other way that can do this right is that they release a separate sequel design for current-gen and PC with all the "awesomeness" the new hardware can deliver for all players to conclude their Inquisitor's story. Then it is fair to everyone. Everyone pays the same and enjoy the same.
Now the issue is, some of the players need to buy another copy of the same game to enjoy what others can enjoy. Simply because they bought it on the wrong platform. Thus unfair.
No. I can separate my emotions from my logical analysis. I understand how businesses work, doesn't mean I agree with it or condone it. This is a bit cruel for BioWare to do, but I understand why. Businesses don't thrive on what's right; they thrive on money. Which many people in this thread are forgetting and screaming "GIVE ME FREE STUFF I DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE!"
But go ahead call me a fanboy, you're only proving my point and that is you're entitled.
Nobody is screaming "GIMME FREEBIES, I DONT CARE". You speak as if nobody understand how business works.
I understand that it is business just like I understand that a hungry tiger or bear would want to eat me. I dont blame them for their nature. That does not mean I am not gonna at least try to run or fight back to the best of my capability.
If you are working for Bioware/EA then your points are valid. If you are a consumer like the rest of us, why are you on the other side?
There are ways to make money and not betray the trust of your customers (which in the long run would be bad for business). Offering a free upgrade will win them trust, support and good RP - think of it as advertisement fee.
No. I can separate my emotions from my logical analysis. I understand how businesses work, doesn't mean I agree with it or condone it. This is a bit cruel for BioWare to do, but I understand why. Businesses don't thrive on what's right; they thrive on money. Which many people in this thread are forgetting and screaming "GIVE ME FREE STUFF I DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE!"
But go ahead call me a fanboy, you're only proving my point and that is you're entitled.
Once again I say entitlement is close to being the most misused word on the internet ATM. It is not entitlement to want fair treatment.
But go ahead call me a fanboy, you're only proving my point and that is you're entitled.
I think the only ones "entitled" here are the players eager to kick oldgen players to the curb so they can get "better" dlc.
I think the only ones "entitled" here are the players eager to kick oldgen players to the curb so they can get "better" dlc.
We've been through this already multiple times - that's no less of an entitlement than asking for content on a platform that, at this point, serves only as creative and financial impediment.
Also - hyperbole much? Nobody "was eager to kick oldgen players to the curb so they can get better DLC".
I wonder how many next geners gloating also complained about the dlc exclusivity for Xbox one.
Apples and oranges. While they're a problem in themselves, exclusivity deals are not holding devs back on either technical or financial level - in fact, the exclusivity deal with Microsoft existed precisely because they helped to finance the DLC. So there's at least one benefit to that - while there's no benefit to developing ports on old-game consoles, other than not annoying a small (and ever-shrinking) old-gen player base.
And I'm not saying that they shouldn't be annoyed - I'd be annoyed too, especially if the news crashed right before the DLC was out (and at his point we have no idea when it's going to be released) simply because I'm invested into the story. Heck, I may even be annoyed IF it turns out that the DLC won't be released (or released at the same time) in my part of Europe, which is a - small, but still - possibility.
Would I'd be so vocal about it on the forum about this? Knowing myself, likely not - there would be no point. If anything, I'd rather be focused on either getting more information or finding a solution (just like I did when it turned out that I can't pick a language version I wanted).
Apples and oranges. While they're a problem in themselves, exclusivity deals are not holding devs back on either technical or financial level - in fact, the exclusivity deal with Microsoft existed precisely because they helped to finance the DLC. So there's at least one benefit to that - while there's no benefit to developing ports on old-game consoles, other than not annoying a small (and ever-shrinking) old-gen player base.
The potential issue with exclusivity, though, is that by staggering release dates, Bioware DID harm its sales. DAI's DLC is taking longer to produce than previous games, so the longer customers wait to play DLC, the greater chance they will move on to other games. And if one section of the consumers gets access first, it makes the rest of the playerbase resentful. And they can just watch a YouTube playthrough for free, or get user feedback on the quality of the DLC. I think of a lot of fans interested in DLC would probably purchase and download as soon as possible without waiting for reviews, judging by the furor over the timed release for JoH (myself included in this). But if we have to wait for two months and the reviews are mixed, the amount purchased is necessarily going to decrease.
Of course, we have no idea of the amount Microsoft financially supported JoH and whether it offset the potential decrease in sales from other consoles. Could be. Much of Bioware's current marketing seems to be choosing the most profitable option possible rather than considering its consumers.
We've been through this already multiple times - that's no less of an entitlement than asking for content on a platform that, at this point, serves only as creative and financial impediment.
If you buy a game on a given console, the expectation is that said game will be supported. That's not entitlement, that's just plain good customer service.
Heck not even "good" customer service, that's the standard expectation.
Also - hyperbole much? Nobody "was eager to kick oldgen players to the curb so they can get better DLC".
Have you been reading some of these responses? There are in fact people saying "Stop whining and buy a new console!"
If you buy a game on a given console, the expectation is that said game will be supported. That's not entitlement, that's just plain good customer service.
Heck not even "good" customer service, that's the standard expectation.
At some point in software/hardware lifespan it's expected for it to start losing support or being locked out of new features. Should I complain that my old iPad 2 doesn't get updates from Apple anymore and can't run many new apps? Should I complain that I can't connect and use streaming sevices on my iPod classic?
Should I be outraged that because I have an old type of Wacom Cintiq tablet I am locked out of many cool new features in Adobe programs that I have, simply because my Cintiq hasn't been built to make use of them?
No - because new features aren't part of the support.
Patches are support. Troubleshooting is part of support. Things like DLC - they're additions.
Have you been reading some of these responses? There are in fact people saying "Stop whining and buy a new console!"
Even those unsubtly saying that some should get over it and get are hardly being "eager to kick oldgen players to the curb so they can get better DLC". One does not follow another.
The potential issue with exclusivity, though, is that by staggering release dates, Bioware DID harm its sales. DAI's DLC is taking longer to produce than previous games, so the longer customers wait to play DLC, the greater chance they will move on to other games. And if one section of the consumers gets access first, it makes the rest of the playerbase resentful. And they can just watch a YouTube playthrough for free, or get user feedback on the quality of the DLC. I think of a lot of fans interested in DLC would probably purchase and download as soon as possible without waiting for reviews, judging by the furor over the timed release for JoH (myself included in this). But if we have to wait for two months and the reviews are mixed, the amount purchased is necessarily going to decrease.
Of course, we have no idea of the amount Microsoft financially supported JoH and whether it offset the potential decrease in sales from other consoles. Could be. Much of Bioware's current marketing seems to be choosing the most profitable option possible rather than considering its consumers.
I DID say that exclusivity deals are a problem on their own. Either way, comparing exclusivity deals to resigning from developing for old-gen consoles still won't get us anywhere, as they present two different problems. Plus, like I said, developing for old-gen consoles has no substantial benefit whatsoever.
At some point in software/hardware lifespan it's expected for it to start losing support or being locked out of new features. Should I complain that my old iPad 2 doesn't get updates from Apple anymore and can't run many new apps? Should I complain that I can't connect and use streaming sevices on my iPod classic?
Should I be outraged that because I have an old type of Wacom Cintiq tablet I am locked out of many cool new features in Adobe programs that I have, simply because my Cintiq hasn't been built to make use of them?
No - because new features aren't part of the support.
Patches are support. Troubleshooting is part of support. Things like DLC - they're additions.
Did any of that go from "supported" to "not supported" (with no explanation whatsoever) within a year of release?
And any addition or alteration of the content is "support"
The iPad 2 was introduced in 2011 and support ended in 2014.
Support for last-gen DAI ended less than 8 months after release.
Support for old gen consoles by Sony and Microsoft expires in 2016
At some point in software/hardware lifespan it's expected for it to start losing support or being locked out of new features.
For a game franchise sure, not within a single iteration of a game.
bioware was going to drop last gen for DA at some point but not putting dlc on the other consoles is not cool but it does give them a chance to make better dlc.
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