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[NCA]

Yes, how dare they not apologize for your bad decision making and unrealistic expectations. It's a sad era when it's commonplace for people to never accept responsibility.

Are you serious? So buying a game you like for the console you own is a bad decision? Hmm..
Oh yeah because their decision to release it on last gen consoles with no intention of giving the same service to all the consumers , without giving any warning that this might/would eventually happend,after we paid the same amount of money is completely logical, and we should just accept it silently. Well, maybe that's something you'd do. But thats your problem.

I think your opinions are irrelevant, unwanted and some other things I won't say here.

So just go kiss Bioware's butt somewhere else. Enjoy.

[thesuperdarkone2]

You paid for the for a license to a vanilla game on your platform of choice, and you got it. You are not entitled to anything outside of that unless specified in your purchase i.e. Deluxe edition DLCs.

And not getting patches anymore is alright because people "dared" to play on last-gen

[Jaron Oberyn]

Are you serious? So buying a game you like for the console you own is a bad decision? Hmm..
Oh yeah because their decision to release it on last gen consoles with no intention of giving the same service to all the consumers , without giving any warning that this might/would eventually happend,after we paid the same amount of money is completely logical, and we should just accept it silently. Well, maybe that's something you'd do. But thats your problem.

I think your opinions are irrelevant, unwanted and some other things I won't say here.

So just go kiss Bioware's butt somewhere else. Enjoy.

Why should they be obligated to inform you of a business decision that falls outside of your license jurisdiction? I'm not the one with the problem here. I'm not living in the stone age with a toaster for a gaming device, nor am I trying to keep everyone's entertainment bound by decades old technology. I've yet to offer opinions in this thread, I'm posting cold hard facts and you can't handle it. The only thing that is irrelevant is the whining from individuals who genuinely believe they have a claim here. Welcome to the real world.

 

[thesuperdarkone2]

Why should they be obligated to inform you of a business decision that falls outside of your license jurisdiction? I'm not the one with the problem here. I'm not living in the stone age with a toaster for a gaming device, nor am I trying to keep everyone's entertainment bound by decades old technology. I've yet to offer opinions in this thread, I'm posting cold hard facts and you can't handle it. The only thing that is irrelevant is the whining from individuals who genuinely believe they have a claim here. Welcome to the real world.

 

 

All I'm seeing from this post is "I have money and thus am better than you. If you are poor, it is your fault because I am rich and thus better than you."

[BansheeOwnage]

Yes, how dare they not apologize for your bad decision making and unrealistic expectations.    It's a sad era when it's commonplace for people to never accept responsibility.

[NCA]

Why should they be obligated to inform you of a business decision that falls outside of your license jurisdiction? I'm not the one with the problem here. I'm not living in the stone age with a toaster for a gaming device, nor am I trying to keep everyone's entertainment bound by decades old technology. I've yet to offer opinions in this thread, I'm posting cold hard facts and you can't handle it. The only thing that is irrelevant is the whining from individuals who genuinely believe they have a claim here. Welcome to the real world.

If you feel your "entertainment bound by decades old technology" and you're so angry about it, is your fault for making the bad decision of buying a game that would be released on old-gen consoles too, you knew there would be some downgrades to make the game compatible with old gen too, that is your fault and yours alone, I guess you probably wanted a better gaming experience,but guess what? you're screwed becuase Bioware doesn't own you squat. Don't I sound familiar?

[Br3admax]

You paid for the for a license to a vanilla game on your platform of choice, and you got it. You are not entitled to anything outside of that unless specified in your purchase i.e. Deluxe edition DLCs.

That's great, and it's obviously legal as EA allowed it to happen. Are you going to answer my question now, or just try to justify BioWare's actions, which don't really need justifying as much as criticism for bad business practices? 

[BansheeOwnage]

And not getting patches anymore is alright because people "dared" to play on last-gen

Exactly. Apparently it's entitled to think that you'll get patches, too. Who's living in "the stone age" now? It's perfectly reasonable to think these things. That poster is basically saying that anything goes, because reasons. That businesses should not have any standards at all.

[Jaron Oberyn]

 

All I'm seeing from this post is "I have money and thus am better than you. If you are poor, it is your fault because I am rich and thus better than you."

Yet another brilliantly factual rebuttal from you good sir.

 

If you feel your "entertainment bound by decades old technology" and you're so angry about it, is your fault for making the bad decision of buying a game that would be released on old-gen consoles too, you knew there would be some downgrades to make the game compatible with old gen too, that is your fault and yours alone, I guess you probably wanted a better gaming experience,but guess what? you're screwed becuase Bioware doesn't own you squat. Don't I sound familiar?

Who says I'm angry? I enjoy this game for what it is. The PC version has been more than acceptable in quality since day one.

 

That's great, and it's obviously legal as EA allowed it to happen. Are you going to answer my question now, or just try to justify BioWare's actions, which don't really need justifying as much as criticism for bad business practices? 

 

I did answer your question, you obviously didn't like it however it doesn't change the validity of what was said. You paid for the vanilla game, anything outside of that you are not entitled to. It's really that simple.

Exactly. Apparently it's entitled to think that you'll get patches, too. Who's living in "the stone age" now? It's perfectly reasonable to think these things. That poster is basically saying that anything goes, because reasons. That businesses should not have any standards at all.

You are not guaranteed patches, because you are not guaranteed a working game. Read the EULA next time, you'd be surprised by the things you're agreeing to. You're still caught up on the fact that you aren't entitled to coverage of extra content, and I'm still waiting for you to show me where you are given the slightest hint that you were guaranteed DLC coverage. You have provided nothing but emotional arguments, and disdain for common business transactions.

[BansheeOwnage]

 

I did answer your question, you obviously didn't like it however it doesn't change the validity of what was said. You paid for the vanilla game, anything outside of that you are not entitled to. It's really that simple.

You are not guaranteed patches, because you are not guaranteed a working game. Read the EULA next time, you'd be surprised by the things you're agreeing to. You're still caught up on the fact that you aren't entitled to coverage of extra content, and I'm still waiting for you to show me where you are given the slightest hint that you were guaranteed DLC coverage. You have provided nothing but emotional arguments, and disdain for common business transactions.

 

I never claimed we were all guaranteed the same DLC. I've only ever said it was a reasonable expectation. I don't know where you're getting that from. It's also perfectly reasonable to expect patches, license agreement or not. Your argument consists of "This is how it's done." That's not an argument, it's a perfectly obvious statement. We're arguing that "the way it's done" needs to be updated, and we're more than allowed to do that.

 

About the bolded: Yes, that's exactly what I have been doing. Morality is emotional. Right and wrong are subjective. If something is wrong, I will feel negative emotions towards it. Myself and others feel this is immoral, and practices that are similar should be disallowed. I also think we're using logic, but to say I'm using an emotional argument says nothing of the validity of it.

 

And that I'm showing disdain for common business practices? ThankyouCaptainObvious That's exactly what I've been doing! Did you just realize? Why shouldn't I show disdain for them? I think they're wrong. You're acting like you basically worship business as an infallible concept, where pesky things like morality shouldn't interfere. Well I disagree. And why should them being common make me like them more? It makes me like them less!

 

It's really simple: I think it's wrong and should be changed, so I'm speaking out.

[NCA]

Who says I'm angry? I enjoy this game for what it is. The PC version has been more than acceptable in quality since day one.

So your comment about "keeping everyone's entertainment bound by decades old technology" was pointless and thus irrelevant (as I said before) but seeing you're a mindless follower uncapable of thinking for himself without the company telling you how you should feel and what's right ignoring any use of logic, I will not waste one more second of my life talking to such creature. I bid you adieu.

P.S. Continue your butt kissing, you're doing great!.

[Br3admax]

I did answer your question, you obviously didn't like it however it doesn't change the validity of what was said. You paid for the vanilla game, anything outside of that you are not entitled to. It's really that simple.

For starters, nice job with the assumptions. My days of playing last gen DA, or any DA for that matter, are over. I care way less that you think I do. Second, no you didn't. My question was how is expecting dlc an unrealistic expectation, which you have ignored a second time. I'm still waiting, very patiently, for an answer. 

[Jaron Oberyn]

I never claimed we were all guaranteed the same DLC. I've only ever said it was a reasonable expectation. I don't know where you're getting that from. It's also perfectly reasonable to expect patches, license agreement or not. Your argument consists of "This is how it's done." That's not an argument, it's a perfectly obvious statement. We're arguing that "the way it's done" needs to be updated, and we're more than allowed to do that.

 

About the bolded: Yes, that's exactly what I have been doing. Morality is emotional. Right and wrong are subjective. If something is wrong, I will feel negative emotions towards it. Myself and others feel this is immoral, and practices that are similar should be disallowed. I also think we're using logic, but to say I'm using an emotional argument says nothing of the validity of it.

 

And that I'm showing disdain for common business practices? ThankyouCaptainObvious That's exactly what I've been doing! Did you just realize? Why shouldn't I show disdain for them? I think they're wrong. You're acting like you basically worship business as an infallible concept, where pesky concepts like morality shouldn't interfere. Well I disagree. And why should them being common make me like them more? It makes me like them less!

 

It's really simple: I think it's wrong and should be changed, so I'm speaking out.

So you are doubling down on your arguments that even though your transaction for the vanilla game in no way guaranteed you access to expansions, you should be entitled to it? Do you honestly not see the flaw in your position here?

 

So your comment about "keeping everyone's entertainment bound by decades old technology" was pointless and thus irrelevant (as I said before) but seeing you're a mindless follower uncapable of thinking for himself without the company telling you how you should feel and what's right ignoring any use of logic, I will not waste one more second of my life talking to such creature. I bid you adieu.

P.S. Continue your butt kissing, you're doing great!.

 

Not at all. To deny that the last gen consoles inhibited the game for current gen users is ludicrous. The developers themselves have openly confirmed it's affect on the games production. I don't care one way or another, I don't need photo realism to enjoy a game so it makes no difference to me. My opinion on that has no bearing on the facts regarding hardware restrictions.

For starters, nice job with the assumptions. My days of playing last gen DA, or any DA for that matter, are over. I care way less that you think I do. Second, no you didn't. My question was how is expecting dlc an unrealistic expectation, which you have ignored a second time. I'm still waiting, very patiently, for an answer. 

The assumptions are on your part, for believing that I was specifically referring to you and not speaking in general terms. I have answered your question twice, hopefully you will grasp it the third time. It is unrealistic to expect anything outside the terms of your transaction. Nowhere during or after your purchase of DAI were you given the implication that you would be entitled to DLC coverage. It is really that simple.

[Br3admax]

The assumptions are on your part, for believing that I was specifically referring to you and not speaking in general terms. 

It's pretty obvious you were speaking specifically to me when you quote something and say that I was unhappy with a response, so...

 

 

I have answered your question twice, hopefully you will grasp it the third time. It is unrealistic to expect anything outside the terms of your transaction. Nowhere during or after your purchase of DAI were you given the implication that you would be entitled to DLC coverage. It is really that simple.

The Condescension is strong in you. It's not unrealistic at all to expect dlc that's announced to be happening. That's actually one of the dumbest things I've ever heard, which is especially ironic giving your haughty attitude. And I've read quite a lot. It has nothing to do with entitlement, and a lot more to do with expectations. It's perfectly reasonable to expect to get the dlc everyone else does at some point. Which is what I said. Notice the lack, in any shape or form, of a single person talking about entitlement but you. Step off that high horse, and you might see that. 

[vbibbi]

So now you want them to gently, softly, remorsefully tell you that there will be no more DLC for last gen? I think I've heard it all. Excuse me while I go cry mself to sleep about how Bioware callously told you there would be no more DLC support for 10 year old consoles.

 

Communication to fans and customer base does not equate coddling and condescension. Respect for fans who are involved enough in their product that they're upset they can't buy more should be a good business practice. Your tone and attitude do you no credit, but you make our side look better, if you think Bioware's attitude should reflect yours.

 

And thank you for completely ignoring my previous post, wondering how fellow consumers feel the need to defend a multimillion dollar company against us fellow fans, who aren't asking for you to receive less content, but are voicing their frustration at this treatment. As I said before, why do you hold us accountable for "poor decision making" in purchasing from Bioware, but Bioware has not made any poor decisions in knowingly releasing a game for two consoles it won't fully support. They are in a much better position to determine the abilities of platforms they're working on and the estimated capacity for the content they want to deliver than we are. Why are you placing the onus of the burden on consumers?

 

Honestly, most people here are trying to be rational and get some answers, not demand freebies and throw tantrums. But your posts seem to be overly exaggerated, emotional negativity where you have no empathy for people who paid the same amount as you for content but are now disadvantaged.

[Br3admax]

Because your poorness is hurting my #grahfixSWAG, bruh. 

[chrstnmonks]

Because your poorness is hurting my #grahfixSWAG, bruh. 

To be fair it was alot more than graphics. The whole keep mechanic was taken out, seige of skyhold, battles where scaled back and I am sure a Whole host of things. The game was cut down to pretty much bare bones so it would run on old gen, I will say this again because apparantly it can't be said enough support means patches bugfixes and help with Technical issues. Support doesn't mean access to new Dlc content.

[Roninbarista]

I think we can all agree that it's the end of the road for last gen players and DAI. How it ended is the source of contention. Sadly, that won't change either. Most of us are airing our grievances. It's all good for people to get this out.

The vitriol in some responses is a bit much. I suppose the more we discuss our displeasure, the more toxic responses/comments will arrive. Theres a telling paradigm set up here where Bioware sees last gen as a liability, and some posters have capitalized on this fact.

Thanks to all who support us, or shown sympathy.

[Br3admax]

To be fair it was alot more than graphics. The whole keep mechanic was taken out, seige of skyhold, battles where scaled back and I am sure a Whole host of things. The game was cut down to pretty much bare bones so it would run on old gen, I will say this again because apparantly it can't be said enough support means patches bugfixes and help with Technical issues. Support doesn't mean access to new Dlc content.

Ugh. Starters, those things were cut because they were cut. You just listed a bunch of things that didn't make it past an E3 demo in alpha, and assumed their being cut had something to do with Xbox 360 or the PS3, when chances are they were cut for a multitude of many other reasons. Because that's kind of how game development works. Everything in alpha doesn't make it into the final product, and what you see in E3 two years ago, back when this was way early next(as in current) gen, is alpha if I've ever seen it. Calm down. And it's great that you said that, the underlined portion, but since that was never in question and the likelihood of further patches is slim, I really don't get your point. Are we just talking to talk now in this thread? Because I happen to think french fries are pretty great. DA needs some. 

[ashwind]

I think we can all agree that it's the end of the road for last gen players and DAI. How it ended is the source of contention. Sadly, that won't change either. Most of us are airing our grievances. It's all good for people to get this out.

The vitriol in some responses is a bit much. I suppose the more we discuss our displeasure, the more toxic responses/comments will arrive. Theres a telling paradigm set up here where Bioware sees last gen as a liability, and some posters have capitalized on this fact.

Thanks to all who support us, or shown sympathy.

 

Ignore those with toxic responses and comments. To me this is not an old-gen issue but how irresponsible and unfair publishers and developers can be. Worse still is how people are defending them and claiming that they have legal right to do so and people should not challenge them or voice their frustration.

 

200 years ago, slavery is legal. Slavery is essential for the cotton industry they said. It is business they declared. How else can we make more money than we deserve if we abolish slavery they cried. Slavery is legal. Shut up you poor whiners who cant afford slaves.

 

Less than 100 years ago, a mad man attributed all of its nations problem to a group of people, a group he claims to be inferior. This group of inferior people are the source of the country's poor economical state. Many believed his words and it wasnt pretty.

 

Yes, this is just about a game and the examples above are a bit extreme... however... arent the underlying principles the same?

[AresKeith]

Ugh. Starters, those things were cut because they were cut. You just listed a bunch of things that didn't make it past an E3 demo in alpha, and assumed their being cut had something to do with Xbox 360 or the PS3, when chances are they were cut for a multitude of many other reasons. Because that's kind of how game development works. Everything in alpha doesn't make it into the final product, and what you see in E3 two years ago, back when this was way early next(as in current) gen, is alpha if I've ever seen it. Calm down. And it's great that you said that, the underlined portion, but since that was never in question and the likelihood of further patches is slim, I really don't get your point. Are we just talking to talk now in this thread? Because I happen to think french fries are pretty great. DA needs some.

The devs stated that some things had to be reworked because it couldn't work for last-gen

An attack on the Skyhold wasn't even considered because of it

[Iakus]

I think we can all agree that it's the end of the road for last gen players and DAI. How it ended is the source of contention. Sadly, that won't change either. Most of us are airing our grievances. It's all good for people to get this out.

The vitriol in some responses is a bit much. I suppose the more we discuss our displeasure, the more toxic responses/comments will arrive. Theres a telling paradigm set up here where Bioware sees last gen as a liability, and some posters have capitalized on this fact.

Thanks to all who support us, or shown sympathy.

It doesn't help that Bioware literally will not talk about this.  They won't say why or how they came to this decision.  No sense of regret at having to do this (either for technical reasons or a business decision that came from higher up, or some other reason we don't know)  

 

We only know about this at all from what was essentially a throwaway sentence describing the new save transfer feature.

 

Literally the only notice that came of this was when they announced the save transfer feature.  And it was just a throwaway sentence in that too.

[MaxQuartiroli]

It doesn't help that Bioware literally will not talk about this.  They won't say why or how they came to this decision.  No sense of regret at having to do this (either for technical reasons or a business decision that came from higher up, or some other reason we don't know)  

 

We only know about this at all from what was essentially a throwaway sentence describing the new save transfer feature.

 

Literally the only notice that came of this was when they announced the save transfer feature.  And it was just a throwaway sentence in that too.

 

I think it's quite the opposite... they knew that their decision was so wrong that instead of making an official announcement and explaining the reasons for that, they had to hide themselves behind another announcement in order to give to the players the news in an indirect way. It's the clear sign that they are aware of being at fault.

[Iakus]

I think it's quite the opposite... they knew that their decision was so wrong that instead of making an official announcement and explaining the reasons for that, they had to hide themselves behind another announcement in order to give to the players the news in an indirect way. It's the clear sign that they are aware of being at fault.

If they knew the decision was wrong they should own up to it, and do what they can to make things right for the people they're screwing over.

 

Ah, who am I kidding?

[Heimdall]

200 years ago, slavery is legal. Slavery is essential for the cotton industry they said. It is business they declared. How else can we make more money than we deserve if we abolish slavery they cried. Slavery is legal. Shut up you poor whiners who cant afford slaves.

Actually, slaveholder in the American South tended to argue that slavery was not very profitable and that the practice was beneficial to slaves. They (accurately) pointed out that the average slave was better fed, better clothes and better housed than the average wage laborer in the neighboring north, or factory worker in Britain, or serfs in Russia.

Just FYI