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[Jovian09]

If I were a PS3 or Xbox 360 player, I would be livid right now. It is not okay to release a game on multiple platforms and then cease to support some of those platforms -- in my view, that's even worse than timed exclusivity, because at least publishers are fairly up front about that before purchase. Whether there's legal basis or not, it's disingenuous to allow people to buy the game on a given platform, witholding knowledge that it would not enjoy equal support.

 

I get why they did it. I'm sure the older tech is holding back production of DLC. That doesn't make it okay.

 

EDIT: Oh, and trying to frame it as "Great news!" for 360 and PS3 players is just insulting.

[Swaggerjking]

I doubt that the dlc will drop this week. next week with the announcement probably during comic con hopefully I am hoping for 

[Father_Jerusalem]

Suck my WHAT?

 

So you'll take my money for the game and Jaws, and then "kindly" tell me to go **** myself and that I, as a consumer of all things BioWare since ****** Baldur's Gate, now need to drop $500+ on a new system and new copy of the same game I already bought, in order to continue the journey I began in that game?

 

DA4 being Xbone and PS4 only is fine, and would make sense. But to screw over a part of your playerbase in the middle of this game's lifespan?

 

Sit and spin, pricks. Sit and spin.

[BraveLToaster]

Single-player DLC or both SP and MP DLC?

 

You've got to be kidding if you think I'm going to buy the game again for my PC just for whatever tiny dlc you decide to offer in the future.

[Aravasia]

I'm sad for the old console players, but, I wonder if they did this because there is content in the future DLC that the old consoles cannot handle? From my understanding, they had to cut certain aspects from the main game due to this reason. Or, are they simply doing it for budget reasons?

[beccatoria]

This is completely disrespectful to their fanbase. 

 

 

These games are successful in large part because of their story-driven nature.  Now large parts of the fanbase are being told they cannot complete the narrative. 

 

If it's an issue of technical specifications, then they never should have released the game on last gen.  They should have made it next gen only from the start and everyone would know where they stand. 

 

As it is now, people were essentially tricked when they bought the last-gen versions.  There is no reasonable way they could have guessed that they'd be cut off halfway through the DLC cycle, and that is the sort of thing that would likely be an influencing factor for many.  I'm sure it's not technically illegal, but it's certainly misleading. 

 

Not only will they now have to purchase a machine worth hundreds of dollars, they'll have to buy the actual game again.  DLC purchases carrying over seem like a bit of a slap in the face when you're still expected to buy a $60 dollar game you already own and are only having to buy again because you were misled. 

 

Bioware - as you can see, I own a LOT of your games.  I love them.  I buy all the DLC, even when I can't really afford it.  I want to love you as a company.  But this makes me feel undervalued and insulted.  I understand that EA may have been the influencing factor, but your "this is secretly great!" presentation does you no credit, and ultimately, their mandates are affecting my relationship with your products.  The fact you didn't even apologise for disappointing last gen players is telling and totally classless.  I honestly expect better of this company. 

[NextGenCowboy]

I'm sad for the old console players, but, I wonder if they did this because there is content in the future DLC that the old consoles cannot handle? From my understanding, they had to cut certain aspects from the main game due to this reason. Or, are they simply doing it for budget reasons?

 

Herein lies the crux of the issue though. They already released their 120+ hour game, which some people have put hundreds of hours into. If last gen was holding them back, then why not cut it off before it affected the major bulk of the game? Why cut it off for DLC, which isn't going to make anywhere near the amount of money initial sales made, nor make up anywhere near the amount of playtime of the core game for most people?

 

As I said,, personally (as a PS3 user) this isn't the end of the world. That said, I have no issue with last gen players being pissed about this. I didn't even notice the framing of this announcement as a good thing, which is pretty messed up. Just be straight with your playerbase, preferably from the start.

[BansheeOwnage]

I've asked Miked Laidlaw recently why they didn't brought companions to the main hall during the judgement quests. I've always been curious about their opinion/advice. He answered that last-gen's memory would blow up. Another reason to leave last-gen behind. It's cruel and painful, but necessary. 

 

To be fair though, couldn't they just remove the random Inquisition soldiers and have the companions instead? I agree that they probably shouldn't have made DA:I for old gen to begin with, but this particular issue seems like it had a solution.

[Gileadan]

Erm, aren't nearly all our companions and advisors plus lots of other guests at the final party anyway? Or is that different on old gen?

[duckley]

While I feel bad, I think its the right decision. I assume that designing for so many system takes extra time and resources.
I hope this means more high quality dlcs... big or little.

I bought a PS4 specifically for this game. I havent had any problems whatsoever, and with so many new games coming out for new gen only, it has been a wise investment.

We live in a age where obselence is essentially built in to all our stuff. I guess it is time to save up your money if you love gaming. Sucks I know.

It would be nice though if EA gave transfer players a price break at least, as they are changing up mid stream

[Apollexander]

Isabela:" I'm running. If you stay, I'll be sure to remember your heroic sacrifice." To the old-gen         

[BansheeOwnage]

This is absolutely ridiculous.

 

And note, I play on Xbox One. Just because something doesn't affect me personally, it's never stopped me from being appalled by it.

 

To release the game only on new platforms would have been fine. In fact, I'd have liked that, because it would have meant getting a game more like the one we saw in pre-alpha. Regardless, they released the game on all platforms. It is not reasonable to expect players to think that Bioware might suddenly, with no hints that this might happen, completely drop support for 2 out of 5 of these platforms.

 

Warning players before launch that they even might not be able to release all DLCs on all platforms would have been questionable, but it would have made what they're doing valid, even if it's in poor taste. But to just abruptly say it, most likely with a new DLC right around the corner is despicable.

 

If you release a game, there is an expectation that all content will be available for all platforms, unless you tell people beforehand. They absolutely did not tell anyone beforehand. If they did, the player simply has to take that risk. But when you don't even know you're taking a risk... I'm probably repeating myself, but this is so wrong that I just need to say something.

 

To release this statement in the tone that this is great news, is a whole new level of not-cool, and it's insulting.

 

"Hey guys! We wanted to tell you that you won't be getting any more DLC! But this is *good*, because you can buy a $400 system to continue your journey with this new save importer! (As long as it's not cross-company). Oh, and you'll need to buy the game again. And the deluxe edition upgrade if you had it."

 

 

This also raises new questions, such as:

 

Will oldgen still get patches? They better.

 

Does this apply to MP DLC? Because I don't see why that couldn't be released on oldgen.

 

Will future packs like Spoils of the Avvar (bad as it is) be available on oldgen? There is no reason why they shouldn't be.

 

I'll let Cullen show my reaction to this announcement.

 

And finally: If this is how they're going to do it, the next DLC had better be good. If it's not simply amazing is size and scope, I'll be even angrier.

[BansheeOwnage]

Erm, aren't nearly all our companions and advisors plus lots of other guests at the final party anyway? Or is that different on old gen?

There are a lot of scenes with more people. It's just another case of Laidlaw not knowing what he's talking about.

[AresKeith]

 

Warning players before launch that they even might not be able to release all DLCs on all platforms would have been questionable, but it would have made what they're doing valid, even if it's in poor taste. But to just abruptly say it, most likely with a new DLC right around the corner is despicable.

 

They probably didn't even know it would come to this before launch

[midnight tea]

There are a lot of scenes with more people. It's just another case of Laidlaw not knowing what he's talking about.

 

Dunning-Kruger effect at its finest....

[AresKeith]

Erm, aren't nearly all our companions and advisors plus lots of other guests at the final party anyway? Or is that different on old gen?

 

I'm not 100% sure on this, I think he means that it couldn't be done all the time (like the judgement scenes + other instances) because old gen wouldn't handle it 

[Asch Lavigne]

if only one could go cross platform. I went from a 360 to a PS4.

[Gileadan]

I'm not 100% sure on this, I think he means that it couldn't be done all the time (like the judgement scenes + other instances) because old gen wouldn't handle it

Yeah, that's what I understood too. I'm no expert at all, but I think the point was that loading all those companion and advisor models (plus a few Inquisition soldiers who mostly use the same model though) exceeded the old gen consoles memory. The final party was the closest situation similar to that I could think of...of course, judgments also require the model of the person being judged as well as the Inquisitor's sitting animation, and loading all those at the same time might turn out to be too much.

[midnight tea]

Yeah, that's what I understood too. I'm no expert at all, but I think the point was that loading all those companion and advisor models (plus a few Inquisition soldiers who mostly use the same model though) exceeded the old gen consoles memory. The final party was the closest situation similar to that I could think of...of course, judgments also require the model of the person being judged as well as the Inquisitor's sitting animation, and loading all those at the same time might turn out to be too much.

 

Add to that animation and dialogue options for all 9 companions. There's no single cutscene that big in entire Inquisition....

[AresKeith]

Yeah, that's what I understood too. I'm no expert at all, but I think the point was that loading all those companion and advisor models (plus a few Inquisition soldiers who mostly use the same model though) exceeded the old gen consoles memory. The final party was the closest situation similar to that I could think of...of course, judgments also require the model of the person being judged as well as the Inquisitor's sitting animation, and loading all those at the same time might turn out to be too much.

 

Yeah, so it was pretty much Bioware picking which scenes would matter the most for all of them to appear for the moment

[Eelectrica]

It sucks for players on old systems.

If they couldn't support old systems throughout the lifetime of the product, they should probably have simply not released It on those systems at all.

Better that than stringing people along for months - well 8 months now I suppose.

[Morroian]

If you release a game, there is an expectation that all content will be available for all platforms, unless you tell people beforehand. They absolutely did not tell anyone beforehand. If they did, the player simply has to take that risk. But when you don't even know you're taking a risk... I'm probably repeating myself, but this is so wrong that I just need to say something.

 

To release this statement in the tone that this is great news, is a whole new level of not-cool, and it's insulting.

 

"Hey guys! We wanted to tell you that you won't be getting any more DLC! But this is good, because you can buy a $400 system to continue your journey with this new save importer!"

 

Yes the tone of the announcement is beyond pathetic. Not to mention the timing of it 

[Robert Cousland]

Further along we go, the more disgusted I become by Bioware in general.

 

Way to take a hot steaming dump on your fans, Biowhores.

[Robert Cousland]

You made us wait three moths for the exclusive Xbone DLC, and now this? A lot of us cant afford the £400 for a new console, so what you have done is both dirty and disgusting. If you had no intention of supporting the last gen titles fully then you should have said so at the beginning, instead you lied and deceived, just to make more money by ******ng on the fans who have supported you thus far. First DA2 was rushed badly, then you gave us a hot steaming pike of cr*p in the form of ME3's A, B, and C, colour coded endings, where our decisions meant nothing, and now this? Why the hell should we support you? Why should we continue to buy your products, when you turn around and do this to us? Screw you Bioware, screw you EA, screw the lot of you.

[Roninbarista]

Darn it Bioware. I thought we had something good going. You said you'd call, but you stepped out on me. Now I find you don't want me no more. Great way to pull the rug from under my still-beating, last-gen heart.

Would have loved to see the completion of the series, but alas it wasn't meant to be for the time being. I'm gonna take this as a sign to play other games that work on my console. Hell, I'd take a mobile game that didn't dog me. I love the series, but this burns.