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[AresKeith]

 

I know. I am saying about PC/XONE/PS4 dlcs.

It's sad, because players want to continue their story.

Maybe they can release all content for all and for PC/XONE/PS4 could have an free upgrade  dlc to improve performance in high quality platforms. 

So nobody would lose content.

It's just an idea.

 

 

The reason I see for this is Last-gen consoles not being able to handle the content, I don't think Bioware is able to do the bolded part

 

 

Doesn't matter who it came from. It is still an option. A better option compared to this disgusting choice they made. 

 

Your gonna have to take that up with EA not Bioware

[AllThatJazz]

If that is the end result, yes. At least then all the fans are treated fairly.

No, just a different group are treated unfairly. I spent almost two years saving up for a new graphics card and other bits for my PC., so I could play Inquisition in all its glory. If Bioware decided to cut and run for the sake of last gen, I'd be very irate at having spent several hundred pounds.

I definitely get why people are upset, and yeah the game shouldn't have been released on last gen at all. I bet Bioware knows this too, but by the time they realised the problems last gen was causing (it wasn't early in the dev cycle that the cool Crestwood stuff had to be cut), it was too late as far as the base game was concerned.

Releasing no content at all would be a dreadful shame, releasing low quality content would see them get torn apart by the Internet. It's a difficult position they're in, I guess.

It would be a nice gesture to offer owners of DAI on last gen a substantial discount on the base game for current gen, if that's possible. Although, xBOne owners will kind of get that anyway when Inquisition releases on the EA Vault.

[AresKeith]

It would be a nice gesture to offer owners of DAI on last gen a substantial discount on the base game for current gen, if that's possible. Although, xBOne owners will kind of get that anyway when Inquisition releases on the EA Vault.

 

It would be nice if they did that, but I doubt Bioware has that power 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Releasing no content at all would be a dreadful shame, releasing low quality content would see them get torn apart by the Internet. It's a difficult position they're in, I guess.

So instead they go with an even worse option and choose the disgusting choice of ripping some loyal fans off? 

 

Sorry, but there is no excuse good enough for what they chose to do. 

[SoSolaris]

This makes me sad. But oh well. I don't want to act entitled or anything because I'm honestly thankful for getting to play DAI at all on my 360, since the last gen systems are practically on their last legs. Current and future games should not be tethered by last gen hardware going forward.

But... I'd be lying if I said I wasn't crestfallen at this news. I was planning on getting a current gen system, though not anytime soon. For now I guess I'll have to be content with watching videos on youtube or reading about other people's accounts of the dlc.

[AllThatJazz]

It would be nice if they did that, but I doubt Bioware has that power

Yeah I know this is a decision that's probably higher up. A moot point anyway probably, since the game will keep coming down in price, and One owners will get it for pennies anyway (practically) if they sign up for Access, once it releases for the vault. At least no-one would have to rebuy JoH, and Bioware is making an effort with a save import. I realise it's cold comfort to people who aren't able to buy a new system right now, but at least there's an easier transition when that becomes a possibility.

[AresKeith]

Yeah I know this is a decision that's probably higher up. A moot point anyway probably, since the game will keep coming down in price, and One owners will get it for pennies anyway (practically) if they sign up for Access, once it releases for the vault. At least no-one would have to rebuy JoH, and Bioware is making an effort with a save import. I realise it's cold comfort to people who aren't able to buy a new system right now, but at least there's an easier transition when that becomes a possibility.

 

Man I wish Sony didn't turn down that offer

 

Bioware atleast tried to soften the blow with the save importer

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yeah I know this is a decision that's probably higher up. A moot point anyway probably, since the game will keep coming down in price, and One owners will get it for pennies anyway (practically) if they sign up for Access, once it releases for the vault. At least no-one would have to rebuy JoH, and Bioware is making an effort with a save import. I realise it's cold comfort to people who aren't able to buy a new system right now, but at least there's an easier transition when that becomes a possibility.

Man I wish Sony didn't turn down that offer

 

Bioware atleast tried to soften the blow with the save importer

It's putting a band-aid on a dismembered limb. 

[AllThatJazz]

So instead they go with an even worse option and choose the disgusting choice of ripping some loyal fans off? 
 
Sorry, but there is no excuse good enough for what they chose to do.

I disagree that it's an even worse option for everyone. It's a worse option for last gen owners, I know. But for myself and presumably some other (equally loyal) current gen players, it is a preferable option to having no content at all. I'm sorry, I know that's a selfish viewpoint, but I would be very angry if I thought I'd spent all that money only to be told 'no because last gen'.

[andy6915]

I'm glad I bought my PS3 version used for 30 dollars with the intention of getting a PS4 and the PS4 version someday, or I would be pretty ticked. As it is... Meh.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I disagree that it's an even worse option for everyone. It's a worse option for last gen owners, I know. But for myself and presumably some other (equally loyal) current gen players, it is a preferable option to having no content at all. I'm sorry, I know that's a selfish viewpoint, but I would be very angry if I thought I'd spent all that money only to be told 'no because last gen'.

I never said it was a worse option for everyone. I said it's the worst option. It's the only option where all fans aren't treated fairly, thus is the worst. 

You're right, your viewpoint is a selfish one.  

[AresKeith]

I never said it was a worse option for everyone. I said it's the worst option. It's the only option where all fans aren't treated fairly, thus is the worst. 

You're right, your viewpoint is a selfish one.  

 

So is the "if they can't have it nobody can" viewpoint

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So is the "if they can't have it nobody can" viewpoint

No, since in that viewpoint everyone is treated equally. Selfishness requires one person or group to personally benefit more than others would. 

 

Rationing food so everyone can eat is not being selfish. 

Letting others starve so you can have better food is. 

[Ski Mask Wei]

Bioware you'll be lucky if you get me to buy one of your products again after this stunt.  First you make us pay 60 bucks for a buggy/shoddy port of the game after being tight lipped about it, make us wait for patches that breaks stuff that worked (amulets), make us wait 8 months to tell us our DLC legs will be cut out from under us, and our reward for that is to buy the game again on next gen to finish the story?  Get the **** outta here!  I should have know something was up when they let you two-for-one JoH. I knew EA couldn't be trusted but I didn't even think y'all would be that lowdown.

 

The sad thing is I probably would've bought the game new again when I get my PS4.  Now I probably won't because of the principle of it.  Even if I get next gen DLC I'll hate myself for it because I'll know I won't have the integrity I wish I had.  Integrity. Now there's a word y'all should look up.  However, if you think I'm going to buy game again you're crazy.  Used copy all day (all day).

 

I'd sooner steal it out the store than give you more cash for DAI.        

[AllThatJazz]

I never said it was a worse option for everyone. I said it's the worst option. It's the only option where all fans aren't treated fairly, thus is the worst. 
You're right, your viewpoint is a selfish one.

To be fair, both our viewpoints are selfish. You'd rather see no content for anyone at all because you can't play it. I'd rather see some content even though some can't play. It isn't treating current gen players fairly if they spend hundreds of pounds only to be told to get lost because of players with older hardware. It's not a worse option than no content at all.

[AresKeith]

No, since in that viewpoint everyone is treated equally. Selfishness requires one person or group to personally benefit more than others would. 

 

Rationing food so everyone can eat is not being selfish. 

Letting others starve so you can have better food is. 

 

That analogy doesn't really work in this case, because it's more like taking food away from everyone letting them starve (which would be selfish)

[Hanako Ikezawa]

To be fair, both our viewpoints are selfish. You'd rather see no content for anyone at all because you can't play it. I'd rather see some content even though some can't play. It isn't treating current gen players fairly if they spend hundreds of pounds only to be told to get lost because of players with older hardware. It's not a worse option than no content at all.

Who said I can't play it? I have a newer console and I'd still rather there be no more content for anyone than some fans get screwed while others don't. However my primary wish is them making DLC the older consoles can handle. 

 

That analogy doesn't really work in this case, because it's more like taking food away from everyone letting them starve (which would be selfish)

Except I've been saying that they should develop DLCs that the older consoles can run. It's if they can't that I think they shouldn't make any more at all. So the comparison is valid. 

[AresKeith]

Except I've been saying that they should develop DLCs that the older consoles can run. It's if they can't that I think they shouldn't make any more at all. So the comparison is valid. 

 

And what if it's the DLC period? Like I said earlier the base game alone put the older consoles on their last leg, some of them even died from the game

 

I'd rather the DLCs have the content Bioware intended that have them cut even more things out because of last gen

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And what if it's the DLC period? Like I said earlier the base game alone put the older consoles on their last leg, some of them even died from the game

Considering DLC and games on that engine worked fine on those consoles for years, it is not the DLC period. 

[AresKeith]

Considering DLC and games on that engine worked fine on those consoles for years, it is not the DLC period. 

 

Are you just ignoring what I just said now?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Are you just ignoring what I just said now?

No, or at least not intentionally. What part of your post do you feel I ignored? 

[AresKeith]

No, or at least not intentionally. What part of your post do you feel I ignored? 

 

You said this (bolded part):

Considering DLC and games on that engine worked fine on those consoles for years, it is not the DLC period. 

 

And I just said that the base game of DAI was already proving to be too much for the past gen. DAI has a lot more content and tech than pretty much any other past game on that engine 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You said this (bolded part):

 

And I just said that the base game of DAI was already proving to be too much for the past gen. DAI has a lot more content and tech than pretty much any other past game on that engine 

Except the DLC is running on its own systems. It can be toned down enough so that it works. 

[AllThatJazz]

Who said I can't play it? I have a newer console and I'd still rather there be no more content for anyone than some fans get screwed while others don't. However my primary wish is them making DLC the older consoles can handle. 
 

Except I've been saying that they should develop DLCs that the older consoles can run. It's if they can't that I think they shouldn't make any more at all. So the comparison is valid.

Okay, still it's preferring no-one gets anything nice for the sake of a (relative) few, some (even many) of whom will upgrade in the future anyway. Which would just screw over a different group of fans, for ever. DAI already lost some good features because Bioware couldn't get them to run. It isn't far fetched to think that last gen had something to do with that. I'd rather well-done, ambitious content that tries to fulfil the potential seen in early builds of DAI, than having to hold back on the good stuff because of outdated hardware. I constantly save up to maintain my PC for this very reason, and even then there ends up being stuff I can't play because my specs aren't high enough. It sucks, but at least I know I'll be able to play it one day, and I don't want great ideas to never see the light of day because my system is low-end.

[AresKeith]

Except the DLC is running on its own systems. It can be toned down enough so that it works. 

 
And I also said this: I'd rather the DLCs have the content Bioware intended that have them cut even more things out because of last gen

 

Why do you think every game after DAI is next gen only?