And I also said this: I'd rather the DLCs have the content Bioware intended that have them cut even more things out because of last gen
Why do you think every game after DAI is next gen only?
I'm not saying making it for older consoles doesn't present problems. But Bioware made a promise to the fans of those consoles to face those problems when they sold the game for those consoles.
I'm not saying making it for older consoles doesn't present problems. But Bioware made a promise to the fans of those consoles to face those problems when they sold the game for those consoles.
And apparently those problems got to a hard point
And apparently those problems got to a hard point
Hard, but not impossible.
Okay, still it's preferring no-one gets anything nice for the sake of a (relative) few, some (even many) of whom will upgrade in the future anyway. Which would just screw over a different group of fans, for ever. DAI already lost some good features because Bioware couldn't get them to run. It isn't far fetched to think that last gen had something to do with that. I'd rather well-done, ambitious content that tries to fulfil the potential seen in early builds of DAI, than having to hold back on the good stuff because of outdated hardware. I constantly save up to maintain my PC for this very reason, and even then there ends up being stuff I can't play because my specs aren't high enough. It sucks, but at least I know I'll be able to play it one day, and I don't want great ideas to never see the light of day because my system is low-end.
It's preferring that everyone gets treated fairly. Oh no, how dare I wish that.
It's preferring that everyone gets treated fairly. Oh no, how dare I wish that.
Now you're just ignoring bits of my post in favour of being angry and snarky. It isn't fair on people like me who spend a lot of money and time on new systems (2 years saving up for hardware, plus all the time it took me to learn how to build the thing), to then be told 'no, you may not have content that does your time and money justice, because some other people can't play it'. It's not 'fairness to everyone' taking the ball and going home because a couple of players have twisted their ankle.
But it's fair for people who bought a game that was released on their current system to be told, with no warning, that from here on out they will not have access to any dlcs? It's fair to completely cut off two systems from access to continuing the story, even though the game was released on those systems, that they knew the technical limitations of those systems, and that they should have been planning on how to deal with those limitations on those systems? That's your definition of "fair"?
Mass Effect Andromeda, DA4, and whatever other games are coming out for PS4 or Xbone are absolutely fine with not being available to older systems. Because we know that they're not for those systems well in advance. But to release a game, promise DLC, and then say "**** you lol" to players on 360 and PS3?
Yeah. Lecture us some more about "fair".
But it's fair for people who bought a game that was released on their current system to be told, with no warning, that from here on out they will not have access to any dlcs? It's fair to completely cut off two systems from access to continuing the story, even though the game was released on those systems, that they knew the technical limitations of those systems, and that they should have been planning on how to deal with those limitations on those systems? That's your definition of "fair"?
Mass Effect Andromeda, DA4, and whatever other games are coming out for PS4 or Xbone are absolutely fine with not being available to older systems. Because we know that they're not for those systems well in advance. But to release a game, promise DLC, and then say "**** you lol" to players on 360 and PS3?
Yeah. Lecture us some more about "fair".
If at least the next DLCs were playable separately from the game, like Left Behind or InFamous: First Light, but importing the saves (like it seem possibile now). So those who buyed the game on old gen could play the DLCs without having to buy a new copy of the game... It would still be annoyng, but at least it would not be necessary buy the game two times. 
It sucks. But you got the game, there was never a promise that any and all dlc for that game would also be released for PS3/360. DAI shouldn't have been released for last gen, that's a fact. But it was, even though it quite probably reduced the quality for the overall game. Now, it seems that the choice is to release content for newer systems or not at all. How do you figure that it's any more fair for my time and money not to be rewarded for, frankly, your sake?
Ah, so it's pure selfishness on your part. "I'm getting mine! **** you!"
Got it.
Wow. I'm glad I got the game for PS4 in the end instead of PS3 like I originally planned when they announced the game. 
This may sound cruel and selfish, but I'm glad they decided to do this.
Now they won't be held back by last-gen anymore.
Ah, so it's pure selfishness on your part. "I'm getting mine! **** you!"
Got it.
Whereas not wanting the content to be made at all (which is the thing I've been arguing against in this thread, not saying it isn't a shame) because you - or a small number of others - can't play it is very altruistic, right? 'I'm not getting mine, so everyone should be miserable'? I just can't get behind the notion that content that some can't play for a little while is desperately unfair, while no content for anyone ever is okay and somehow a more 'selfless' option.
Edit: It's not that I don't feel for you, but we're all arguing essentially selfish points of view. In my case 'I want the content even if others can't have it', in the pov of those I'm arguing with 'no-one should have it if me or my friends can't'. Neither is a terribly kind pov, but at the end of the day I will argue for what I want, as will you. Please don't try to pass that off as a middle-finger though, because it isn't one.
Last gen people should be glad they got to play DA:I at all. If you're talking about something not being fair; the people who payed good money for new systems or good gaming PCs saw content cut so you could still play the game on your 360/PS3. We are now getting that content and those features and are finally not being held back by gaming systems that have been replaced almost 2 years ago.
Oh noes, you couldn't set fire to a boat!
I don't mind the support-drop, really (on PS3). I'm just annoyed that we weren't given a heads-up sooner. Even a 'it is possible that we may drop DLC support for last-gen consoles at some point' before JoH was released would've been preferable to just popping up and saying 'we're dropping DLC support for last-gen consoles,' with little warning.
And @Daisy-023; how does denying DLCs to everyone simply because some people can't play it help anyone? What about the people who are planning to make the jump to next-gen so they can play DA:I on PS4/XBONE instead of relying on older systems that can barely run the game in the first place? Am I annoyed that there won't be any new DLCs for DA:I on PS3? Yeah, but that doesn't mean I want to stop everyone from getting the DLCs just because I can't get them.
Besides, the whole 'if they can't have it, no one can' philosophy hurts everyone instead of making it 'fair'. Life isn't fair- I learned that young. Just remember that while you're complaining about BW dropping DLC support on PS3 and 360, there are people dying in Africa of starvation, disease, dehydration, etc.
Also, think about it from BW's perspective. If they dropped DLC support for DA:I entirely they'd take a fairly large hit to their PR, resulting more people abandoning the BW fanbase and, potentially, a significant hit to their profits. While that might not seem like much in the short term, those hits will have very long-lasting effects on BW. If the effects are damaging enough, there's a serious chance that BW could end up being shut down by EA, resulting in no more BW games for anyone. Not to mention what may happen to everyone at BW if EA shuts them down.
By just cutting DLC support on PS3 and 360, they're minimizing the amount of damage their PR may take. Yes, it sucks. Yes, it's not exactly fair to last-gen players. But that doesn't mean that it should be taken away from everyone else.
As for me, whether or not I'm getting a PS4 has always been up in the air. If I do get one, it will be a while from now, and even then, I'll probably only end up playing 1 or 2 games on it. atm, it's not worth paying the $300-$400+ to get a PS4 just so I can play a couple of games on it. If I'm going to get a PS4, I'd rather have at least a handful of games I plan to play on it. Besides, I simply don't have the money to pay for one, anyway.
A kick in the teeth for 7th gen owners I suppose but I for one is glad to hear this news. I look forward to seeing what Bioware can do now that the shackles are off.
Besides, the whole 'if they can't have it, no one can' philosophy hurts everyone instead of making it 'fair'. Life isn't fair- I learned that young. Just remember that while you're complaining about BW dropping DLC support on PS3 and 360, there are people dying in Africa of starvation, disease, dehydration, etc.
Don't you dare try to lecture me on life not being fair! I know that brutal lesson far more than I hope anyone else will!
Wow. There's too many valid points made already to wade into the debate because you can never please everyone. One of the most shocking parts is the tone of the announcement, it's pretty casual and nonchalant considering the deep impact it will have on many players. Timing and wording could have been much stronger.
With that i completely agree. Even though i think its a fair decision it would have been nice if they told people so a couple of months ago. I wonder if they knew this was going to happen at launch or found out while doing the latest DLC part that it just wouldnt work.
Don't you dare try to lecture me on life not being fair! I know that brutal lesson far more than I hope anyone else will!
Then why all the talk about 'being fair to last-gen players'?
Also, you may want to chill out a bit. Your response was pretty unnecessary.
Then why all the talk about 'being fair to last-gen players'?
Also, you may want to chill out a bit. Your response was pretty unnecessary.
Because it is the morally right thing to do.
And no, it was not an unnecessary response when someone's condescends and assumes I don't know life isn't fair after everything I've been through.
Because it is the morally right thing to do.
And no, it was not an unnecessary response when someone's condescends and assumes I don't know life isn't fair after everything I've been through.
Morals are shaped by society, and thus, are subjective. That's the issue with morals; different societies have different morals. Anyway, as I said, you should try seeing it from BW's side.
That's assuming I know you. I don't, so I have no idea what your life experiences have been. Plus, the way you were talking about 'being fair to everyone' implied (at least to me) that you didn't know that.
And I wasn't trying to be condescending. Sorry if that's how you interpreted my post.
With that i completely agree. Even though i think its a fair decision it would have been nice if they told people so a couple of months ago. I wonder if they knew this was going to happen at launch or found out while doing the latest DLC part that it just wouldnt work.
Yeah. I mean they must have realised during the dev of the main game that it was problematic (hence having to cut features), but presumably they'd already thrown so much time and money at last gen development that it was too late to back out. It would have been nice for an earlier heads up about dlc, but like you say, perhaps they tried to get the dlc working for last gen and didn't want to say anything until it was nailed down that they couldn't. DAI really shouldn't have been a last-gen title at all, though these things are always much easier to say with hindsight.
I do sympathise with people who are left out in the cold with this. I've been in similar situations (Sims 3 base game ran on my old PC, the addition of just one expansion pack brought my computer to its knees), but I didn't argue that no further XPs should be made for others to enjoy, because I couldn't join in. It sucked, for a while, and I had to be incredibly patient until I found myself in a position to improve my computer (by which time I'd lost interest in TS3 as it goes).
Whatever BioWare decided, there would have been outrage. No DAI for last-gen? Outrage. No dlc for anyone? Outrage. Dlc that cuts back on content and features for the sake of last gen? Outrage. This situation we have here? Outrage (frankly, no matter when they'd announced it). There isn't a way that's ideal for everyone, only a way that's better for the majority which in the end, is what any business has to take into account first and foremost.
Because it is the morally right thing to do.
And no, it was not an unnecessary response when someone's condescends and assumes I don't know life isn't fair after everything I've been through.
Businesses do not do the morally right thing. Morally right does not equal profit. It never has and never will.
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