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[WildOrchid]

I get why people are upset, and yes it sucks that you won't get more content unless you upgrade, but I don't really see this as a bad thing.

If anything this just cuts out a portion of their customers, so I have to assume that they're doing it because the content they're making is simply too much for last gen to handle. So losing last gen means better content for everyone else.

 

I'm surprised they even made DAI available for old gen tbh. They shouldn't have done it in first place. A lot of games have dropped old gen consoles already.

 

But now it's too late and old gen owners are angry, and it's understandable.

[Todrazok]

While personally as a PC player I always found it concerning that DAI was launching on the old generation aswell, seeing as it would hold the game back. I can only hope that as other posters have noted this means that the future DLC content will be of higher quality, and thus it was said content the old gen simply couldn't handle. 

 

That being said, this is very dissapointing to see. People who purchased DAI on the old gen should rightfully so have expected and gotten support for it since Bioware chose to release it on the old systems. From what I hear on the forums the old gen version sounds quite unstable aswell. 

 

The blog post that they released is hillarious, it actually tries to paint this as good news for the fans while it slaps them in the face with it  . Said blog post is quite frankly insulting aswell, whatever the reasoning behind this decision was, it should have been explained to the fans in detail with an apology. 

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm surprised they even made DAI available for old gen tbh. They shouldn't have done it in first place. A lot of games have dropped old gen consoles already.

 

But now it's too late and old gen owners are angry, and it's understandable.

It was a very common phenomenon in the 2013-2014 period. Just about every major AAA title released then was cross-gen, and DA:I happened to be among the bunch. I would guess install base and maximizing profits are some of the reasons for these decisions. This is the first year since the start of the new generation where we're actually seeing next-gen only games.

[Heimdall]

I'm surprised they even made DAI available for old gen tbh. They shouldn't have done it in first place. A lot of games have dropped old gen consoles already.
 
But now it's too late and old gen owners are angry, and it's understandable.

I can only imagine they did it because they worried not enough people had upgraded yet and it would hurt their sales badly not to release on last gen.

Completely understandable, but as far as the new content itself is concerned, it's hopefully for the better.

[beccatoria]

Now you're just ignoring bits of my post in favour of being angry and snarky. It isn't fair on people like me who spend a lot of money and time on new systems (2 years saving up for hardware, plus all the time it took me to learn how to build the thing), to then be told 'no, you may not have content that does your time and money justice, because some other people can't play it'. It's not 'fairness to everyone' taking the ball and going home because a couple of players have twisted their ankle.

 

Your personal decision to build yourself an awesome computer has nothing to do with Bioware's public statements about the game they were planning on releasing. 

 

You chose to save up and invest in a high tech piece of hardware at a time when Bioware had given you every reason to believe that DAI would be supported on last gen and would therefore not give you some magical next gen experience.  If you built a new system specifically for Dragon Age and then got upset that the game didn't make the most out of your system, that's on you.  They never gave you any reason to believe it would.  Had they chosen to limit the scope of future DLC in order to allow last gen to run it, Bioware would not have been misleading you. 

 

On the other hand, last gen players may not have bought the game with an explicit promise that all future content would be supported, but if you argue that they could rationally have guessed they'd drop support for it half way through, I believe that would be disingenuous.  By changing the scope of future DLC, Bioware did change the rules on all of those people. 

 

People saying things are both equally selfish are wrong because one group is being told they should not get to experience anything so that the other group can get something nicer.  The supposition that last gen can't handle any more DLC of any level of complexity is just that: supposition.  And one that seems to be gaining popularity mainly because it offers justification for dropping support that will lead to shinier pixel people for some.

 

Also - are the PC minimum requirements going to increase?  Is this something anyone's asked?

[Beama Beorhtost]

I don't post much as I'm quite busy with work and RL but the blog has made me quite angry so I thought that I just point out that many people, like me, have not upgraded yet because of financial commitments. If the game was only released on next gens it would have been perfectly fine for me and I would have waited for when I had upgraded to play the game. But this, really feels like been slapped in the face. One thing for sure though, as I should be able to upgrade to the XBOX1 this October I certainly won't buy another copy of the game, which I already own on the 360, and to hell with the DLC and continuing the DA story. Actually, after this I'd probably think twice before spending money on a BW product again seeing how much they value their fans!

[prosthetic soul]

I am seeing way too many apologists in this thread.  And way too many casually brushing this off as if it were a non-issue.  Bioware released a game for last-gen systems, conned people into buying it, then essentially said "lol sorry, we don't think you're worthy of getting DLC support anymore, but we have your money from the game sales anyway; tough luck, now watch as we cut and run." 

 

This isn't just a slap in the face to anyone who bought it on last gen systems.  This is a kick to the groin and a spit in the eye.  Put another peg on the scoreboard for Corrupt Gaming Industry.  For they have gotten another point.  And judging by the apathy and complacency in this thread, they will get away with it.     

[midnight tea]

The supposition that last gen can't handle any more DLC of any level of complexity is just that: supposition.  And one that seems to be gaining popularity mainly because it offers justification for dropping support that will lead to shinier pixel people for some.

 

The supposition that DLCs won't be released on old-gen consoles simply because it's too expensive/not worth it is is as popular and frequently used as the supposition that the next DLC might be too much for old-gen hardware. Don't try to ignore that.

[Beama Beorhtost]

Chronoid, spot on!

[exboomer]

I am seeing way too many apologists in this thread.  And way too many casually brushing this off as if it were a non-issue.  Bioware released a game for last-gen systems, conned people into buying it, then essentially said "lol sorry, we don't think you're worthy of getting DLC support anymore, but we have your money from the game sales anyway; tough luck, now watch as we cut and run." 

 

This isn't just a slap in the face to anyone who bought it on last gen systems.  This is a kick to the groin and a spit in the eye.  Put another peg on the scoreboard for Corrupt Gaming Industry.  For they have gotten another point.  And judging by the apathy and complacency in this thread, they will get away with it.     

Except that Bioware did say they would stop supporting last gen consoles at some point before DA:I came out so this shouldn't be a surprise.

[Zjarcal]

Game should've never even been released on last gen consoles to begin with.

[NextGenCowboy]

Except that Bioware did say they would stop supporting last gen consoles at some point before DA:I came out so this shouldn't be a surprise.

 

You wanna show me, and everyone else, some evidence of that, please?

[Torgette]

Game should've never even been released on last gen consoles to begin with.

 

Definitely, it was way too late to get any benefit from exclusively developing for the new consoles when all the content is optimized for the older systems when the game was released, but moving on to DLC and the fact that the game had some shortcomings and likely sales on new systems were superior - just move on, the game will be better off for it.

[Hobbes]

Just wanted to come in to say that I think this move is pretty low.  It is quite frankly a crappy way to treat customers that have supported and bought your product.  

 

You shouldn't have released the game on those consoles if you didn't intend to fully support it.  Incredibly disappointed in this decision Bioware.

[AllThatJazz]

@beccatoria You think it's supposition that that PS4/X1 are capable of more and better things than last gen machines? That isn't supposition. And I think the writing was on the wall the moment the devs started talking about the various challenges they had making the game for 5 platforms. As well as the moment it turned out that DAI on last gen just doesn't run terribly well. Yep, me building myself a new PC is entirely on me, which is why I don't tend to complain when my PC isn't good enough. But it was hardly a secret that DAI came out as support across the industry was dropping for PS3/360, so it can hardly be a massive shock when Bioware drops support for PS3/360. It's a shame, but no I don't find it surprising, and I can understand why they made the decision. 

 

You bought DAI. You got DAI. Bioware needs to support that game on last gen with bug fixes and such, sure, but there's no onus on them to release new content on last gen, for this game or any other. The mistake wasn't in making future dlc next gen only, it was in putting out the game for last gen to begin with. And I imagine that decision was taken by managerial EA suits, not Bioware devs, who were probably gutted by the various things they had to leave out.

[The Elder King]

People should keep in mind that DAI was supposed to be released in 2013, during Ps4 and One release (if Not earlier). It'd have been a high risk for Bioware to release the game on next gen only, Not to mention that when They started development They probably didn't know when exactly the new consoles would've been released.
So Bioware likely put too much work on old gen to scrap them after the year delay.

[NextGenCowboy]

Then be up front about it from the start. Don't start a DLC cycle, then cut off parts of the playerbase partway through without any forewarning; all while leaving your story incomplete. Make the announcement far enough ahead of time so users can make a choice whether the game's worth purchasing in a pared down state.

 

I'd just like some actual straightforwardness on the subject. Instead of making an announcement in a way seemingly designed to frustrate the last-gen install base, just say: "This is why we did it, these were the advantages, both technologically, and financially, and we're sorry".

[Hobbes]

Still, they decided to put it out, they should take on that responsibility for the product and support those that bought the game.  From day one though the last gen release has been a bit of a mess, it feels like they were taking people for a ride.

[The Elder King]

Then be up front about it from the start. Don't start a DLC cycle, then cut off parts of the playerbase partway through without any forewarning; all while leaving your story incomplete. Make the announcement far enough ahead of time so users can make a choice whether the game's worth purchasing in a pared down state.

I don't think They planned to do so a long time ago.
Granted, that doesn't mean What they're doing is necessarily right, expecially in the way They handled the issue in the blog post. I migh Not have big problems with the decision (I'm on 360, To be clear), but there were better ways to write that post .

[AllThatJazz]

Then be up front about it from the start. Don't start a DLC cycle, then cut off parts of the playerbase partway through without any forewarning; all while leaving your story incomplete. Make the announcement far enough ahead of time so users can make a choice whether the game's worth purchasing in a pared down state.

Yes, there should have been more forewarning (assuming Bio knew from the start) and a fair bit more sensitivity in that blog post, though I think there would probably still be anger here regardless. Anger that I understand and sympathise with. But at the end of the day, provided we do see a leap in quality in the next dlc, I think it's the right decision for the game.

 

Hobbes, there's a difference between providing support in terms of patches (absolutely) and continuing to sell content at a premium price that may not be as good as it could be/run as well as it should because of the technical limitations of older platforms (I'm very hesitant about this).

[Robert Cousland]

If/when I am able to buy a PS4 I intend to buy the "next gen" version of Inquisition secondhand, no way in hell am I giving them the full profit from a second purchase.

[NextGenCowboy]

The issue is, if the reason to release the game on last-gen consoles boils down to, "We put in three years of work", then it should be quite obvious that someone should have had an understanding of the limits of the architecture.

 

Edit: As I said earlier, as a PS3 player I also don't see this as the end of the world. I've lost interest in playing the game completely, and I'm a bit crestfallen (someone used that word earlier, perfect description). I'm not pissed off though. That said, some others are, and I'm glad they are in this instance.

[chrstnmonks]

As a pc player this is good news for me. Maybe we will get back some of thoses things that was cut? 

[Hobbes]

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Hobbes, there's a difference between providing support in terms of patches (absolutely) and continuing to sell content at a premium price that may not be as good as it could be/run as well as it should because of the technical limitations of older platforms (I'm very hesitant about this).

What could have changed in terms of technical limitations between the original release and now?  I think we can be almost certain that they're doing this more from a marketing/financial standpoint as opposed to any technical limitations.  They're making the choice to abandon the last gen consoles and it's a frustrating and sad thing to see.  Support encompasses all things, including content, especially when this could have strong ties to the story.

[Zatche]

I'm surprised they even made DAI available for old gen tbh. They shouldn't have done it in first place. A lot of games have dropped old gen consoles already.

But now it's too late and old gen owners are angry, and it's understandable.

I think keeping old gen made more sense for the original release date. And by the time they extended it a year, it was already announced for old gen.