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[Robert Cousland]

Yeah, I have a few words I would like to say right now, but Bioware would likely block me if I posted them.

 

Suffice to say, it's similar to Eff you Bioware.

[Vigilance97]

This doesn't affect me since I own the game on PC, but what the hell.

[uzivatel]

There is another topic about this and the save transfer.
I get that some poeple may not be happy, but since the DLC(s?) were never announced to be released on those platforms...

[turuzzusapatuttu]

EA style.

[DragonAgeLegend]

I honestly think this is a very good idea although I also think the game should not have been released on older consoles in the first place. 

[Giubba]

Sorry to say for the console owner of PS3 and Xbox 360 but it was about ****** time, it's about time that both microsoft and sony stop develop games for older generation of console.

[Torgette]

I honestly think this is a very good idea although I also think the game should not have been released on older consoles in the first place. 

 

Yep, it was a terrible idea to not go ahead and focus on next-gen only when they started making DAI.

[uzivatel]

Yep, it was a terrible idea to not go ahead and focus on next-gen only when they started making DAI.

The game was in making prior the launch (or even announcement) of the current generation consoles.
The decision to go cross-generation was IMO right at the time.

[DragonAgeLegend]

The game was in making prior the launch (or even announcement) of the current generation consoles.
The decision to go cross-generation was IMO right at the time.

I think the game could have been lots better if they skipped the older consoles. It could have also been better optimized for us PC users. 

[Torgette]

The game was in making prior the launch (or even announcement) of the current generation consoles.
The decision to go cross-generation was IMO right at the time.

 

The hardware makers communicate regularly with developers and publishers long before official announcement though, they likely started talking about new platforms back in 2011, then specs they were aiming for in 2012 and the development packages, then final specs in 2013.

[AresKeith]

The hardware makers communicate regularly with developers and publishers long before official announcement though, they likely started talking about new platforms back in 2011, then specs they were aiming for in 2012 and the development packages, then final specs in 2013.

 

But then it was probably too late to drop it tbh

[uzivatel]

The hardware makers communicate regularly with developers and publishers long before official announcement though, they likely started talking about new platforms back in 2011, then specs they were aiming for in 2012 and the development packages, then final specs in 2013.

If there were any delays or if the new consoles did not sell too well, they would be in trouble. By the time it was clear the consoles are going to be released on time and the sales are good, the game was far in the development to introduce any major redesign (which was not all that necessary - the game is pretty good as is).

[rayvioletta]

as a PC user this doesn't effect me but it does strike me as being a slap in the face to those who bought the game on the previous generation of consoles. would it really be so much more work to adapt the DLCs to work on all the platforms the game was released on?

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Last-gen console players have no basis for complaint. (Except the "I deserve... more."  argument.)

 

You can continue to play everything you've paid for, you just won't be offered new stuff.

No one is shafting anyone.  It's just end of the line.  Can't sink (dev) money into an orphaned platform.

 

You find evidence that MS or Sony are developing for their old-gen, and maybe you'd have a point.  But you can't, 'cuz they ain't.

 

Know what I'm hearing from the "But you have to offer us old-gen folk the same stuff you offer everyone else" crowd?

Sigrun:  "How does it feel, Mark Darrah, to know that because I bought your original PS3 version of the game you'll have to support that crippled one... for-EVER!" 

[Panda]

Last-gen console players have no basis for complaint. (Except the "I deserve... more."  argument.)

 

You can continue to play everything you've paid for, you just won't be offered new stuff.

No one is shafting anyone.  It's just end of the line.  Can't sink (dev) money into an orphaned platform.

 

You find evidence that MS or Sony are developing for their old-gen, and maybe you'd have a point.  But you can't, 'cuz they ain't.

 

Know what I'm hearing from the "But you have to offer us old-gen folk the same stuff you offer everyone else" crowd?

Sigrun:  "How does it feel, Mark Darrah, to know that because I bought your original PS3 version of the game you'll have to support that crippled one... for-EVER!" 

 

Players being blocked from content isn't problem?

 

It would be exactly same if they did exclusive DLC to XBONE that PC and PS4 folks couldn't play.

 

The argument that old gen can't handle DLC's doesn't even add up when the information is about not only heavy SP DLC's, but also item pack and multiplayer SPs.

[AresKeith]

Players being blocked from content isn't problem?

 

It would be exactly same if they did exclusive DLC to XBONE that PC and PS4 folks couldn't play.

 

The argument that old gen can't handle DLC's doesn't even add up when the information is about not only heavy SP DLC's, but also item pack and multiplayer SPs.

 

Actually it would since that would mean old gen can't handle anymore content being added at all for DAI

[Panda]

Actually it would since that would mean old gen can't handle anymore content being added at all for DAI

 

And how you know that?

 

I have seen you quite many times saying what old gen can handle and what not. Like the base game. But have you played with old gen consoles? Do you know what has been patched to game and what not? Do you know that multiplayer actually doesn't have as much problems on old gen unlike singleplayer?

[AresKeith]

And how you know that?

 

I have seen you quite many times saying what old gen can handle and what not. Like the base game. But have you played with old gen consoles? Do you know what has been patched to game and what not? Do you know that multiplayer actually doesn't have as much problems on old gen unlike singleplayer?

 

I've seen the old gen consoles and I chose not to buy DAI for it (currently saving up for a PS4). The base game proved to be too much and games like The Last of Us and GTAV already pushed their hardware over the limit

[Panda]

I've seen the old gen consoles and I chose not to buy DAI for it (currently saving up for a PS4). The base game proved to be too much and games like The Last of Us and GTAV already pushed their hardware over the limit

 

I play DAI on PS3. It hard freezes once in while in Hinderlands. There mostly, after I get Skyhold it doesn't usually freeze at all. It has lot of texture pop in's in cutscenes, but plays them throughly. There is no other problems in battle expect that using tactical cam creates bit of lag especially if you unpause it. There is sometimes lag when it downloads areas or auto-saves. Audio problems come once a while, you hear screeching noises suddenly that have nothing to do with game. And sometimes things in Skyhold don't load like sometimes I don't have statues or Varric in throne room.

 

That's about it for me on PS3. And that's without patches to fix things. Bioware fixes tons of PC related and PS4 and XBONE related stuff and that's why the game is running well for those players. But they chose not to even mention problems on old gen and haven't done any effort to solve them. DAI has had tons of problems on every platform, but the difference is that most of them have been fixed. You can't really expect DAI to run smoothly on old gen without any fixes. And I'm talking PS3 and XBOX360 specific fixes there, they did get some fixes all platforms got, but no treatment to problems that old gen especially has. No communication, to fixing problems, no DLC's. Nothing for us from Bioware although we paid same amount.

 

And I'm not paying that EA is having Bioware on gun-point here and forcing poor developers to abandon us. I'm pretty sure that they are patting on their backs for masking negative news as positive with save importer. But then that's just my experience with Bioware as old gen folk that has been trying to communicate with them over half a year.

[StrongBlackVine]

Good. Push these DLCs to Witcher 3 level.

[OfflineGamer40]

Bioware you are truly disappointing.

[MaxQuartiroli]

Last-gen console players have no basis for complaint. (Except the "I deserve... more."  argument.)

 

You can continue to play everything you've paid for, you just won't be offered new stuff.

No one is shafting anyone.  It's just end of the line.  Can't sink (dev) money into an orphaned platform.

 

You find evidence that MS or Sony are developing for their old-gen, and maybe you'd have a point.  But you can't, 'cuz they ain't.

 

Know what I'm hearing from the "But you have to offer us old-gen folk the same stuff you offer everyone else" crowd?

Sigrun:  "How does it feel, Mark Darrah, to know that because I bought your original PS3 version of the game you'll have to support that crippled one... for-EVER!" 

 

Honestly.. as a PC player who isn't affected by this situation I cannot really see how anyone could even justify EA for this shift or saying that people who are left with an half concluded story don't have the right to complain.

 

How would you feel if they had doubled the PC specs for this DLC, which is NOT a new game but just the FINAL PART of the actual game? Would you be happy if you had to spent 500$ in order to upgrade your hardware just to see the end of the story you have already played for hundred of hours? These changes must be done between a game and another. Stop pretending that a DLC is something separated from the main game, especially story-related DLC. Would you say that Arrival wasn't part of ME2? Or that Citadel wasn't part of ME3? I didn't know that you could buy and play them without owning the main game, perhaps because it's impossible and because they are actually parts of the core game. 

[ashwind]

Good. Push these DLCs to Witcher 3 level.

 

[Thandal N'Lyman]

<snip>
Stop pretending that a DLC is something separated from the main game, especially story-related DLC. Would you say that Arrival wasn't part of ME2? Or that Citadel wasn't part of ME3?
<snip>

 

Yes, I would say that.  In fact, that's almost exactly  what I'm saying.  They were not "part of the game" when I bought it, and I sure got my money's worth out of the base game.  Both Arrival and Citadel were excellent additions to the ME story, and I had a great time playing them.  But would I have felt cheated if they had never been produced, or if they had been released ONLY for consoles?  No.  Would I have felt disappointed?  Sure.  But not cheated.

 

And I wouldn't have turned into a whinging internet brat, demanding that BioWare cater to me just because... "I want more, so they have to  provide it."

[Panda]

Yes, I would say that.  In fact, that's almost exactly  what I'm saying.  They were not "part of the game" when I bought it, and I sure got my money's worth out of the base game.  Both Arrival and Citadel were excellent additions to the ME story, and I had a great time playing them.  But would I have felt cheated if they had never been produced, or if they had been released ONLY for consoles?  No.  Would I have felt disappointed?  Sure.  But not cheated.

 

And I wouldn't have turned into a whinging internet brat, demanding that BioWare cater to me just because... "I want more, so they have to  provide it."

 

You are practically calling people here whining brats. Not really good way to continue discussion. Name calling likely isn't in line with site rules either.

 

DLC's are usually sth that people expect that all platforms that have the game will have. It's quite unheard to release DLC's only to some platforms. That is why people didn't expect BW to drop old gen from DLC list, especially in manner that was small announcement within bigger one like they wanted hide bad news and mask them as sth positive. That's just bad customer service. Also since the upcoming DLC's are heavily story related an it can be said that old gen versions of the game will not be ever finished with this decision from the BW, it will always lack these DLC's in comparison  to new gen one.