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[Fast Jimmy]

Double post

[Mr.House]

At least one offers closure got be various parties involved. More than can be said for Mass Effect or any of the characters in the DA series.

Of course the first game has closure, since it's extremely stand alone. TW2 on the other hand never saw any closure and so many things are left unanswered.

[Steelcan]

>siding with the Scoi'tael
>not romanicing Triss

Why even bother playing the game

[MrFob]

Well, I am just in the middle of Witcher 3 right now.

As for the OP's concerns, yes, I felt that the treatment of Shani was one of the major problems of TW2. I did replay the entire series again before starting TW3 now and I chose Triss in TW1 in order to avoid the problem but in principle, I also like Shani more than Triss and if you don't know what to expect, I can see how this can be very jarring.

 

That said, IMO it is one of the - if not the - only problems that the TW series has in terms of continuity. Otherwise, things add up fairly well and there are lot's of minor decisions that also have minor consequences.

 

Very nice: Just last night, while playing Witcher 3, I encountered a major TW2 character during a side quest, who is probably dead in most people's imports. Still, the character took me on another quest line, which went on for a good half an hour with a couple of twists and turn (very interesting and well presented) and ended in a satisfactory conclusion for that character.

While this will very likely have no impact at all on any major plot points, it was nice to see that the devs took the time and included things like this. It also made me curious who else from TW1/2 I may find along the way.

The character I am talking about was

Spoiler

Letho

by the way.

 

So yea, there are definite issues with continuity from TW1 to 2, especially where Shani is concerned but all in all, I think Witcher handles itself rather well in that regard.

[Mr.House]

>siding with the Scoi'tael
>not romanicing Triss

Why even bother playing the game

Because games Triss is a horrible boring character that was whitewashed and when she does act more how she should, it's swept under the rug or ignored mostly?

[Fast Jimmy]

Of course the first game has closure, since it's extremely stand alone. TW2 on the other hand never saw any closure and so many things are left unanswered.

Well, it's a good thing Mass Effect didn't leave things unanswered at the end of their third game. That would have been terrible.

[Liamv2]

>siding with the Scoi'tael
>not romanicing Triss

Why even bother playing the game

 

I would romance Triss if she had more personality that a brick.

[Ozzy]

No, there weren't any patches or the like to 'fix' the import discrepancies between W1 and W2. There are decisions to be made in Witcher 2 that do carry over but they hardly have any affect in Witcher 3. Each game is very self-contained in this regard and it begs the question of why there was an option to import in the first place. Honestly, Witcher 1 feels a bit out of place with its sequels. A lot of elements appear to have been discarded from the characterisation standpoint (ie Triss is completely different) and it feels disjointed on a world-building scale. The sequels don't really seem to gel that well with each other either. 

 

They're all solid games, don't get me wrong. I wasn't really sold on the original but I enjoyed Witcher 2 and absolutely loved the heck out of Witcher 3 but they lack a certain cohesion if one is to take them as a trilogy. 

 

Also, can this not devolve into another DA/ME vs. Witcher ****show?

Guys pls.

[Steelcan]

y'all are all heretics

[Fast Jimmy]

Can this not devolve into another DA/ME vs. Witcher ****show?

Guys pls.

...the Save Import is still a silly concept, regardless. No series has done it well. I don't see any series doing it well any time in the near future.

[Linkenski]

TW3 arguably handles save importing better than the former but truth be told all 3 games just don't feel consistent to each other. Characters are redesigned, writers swapped places, game directors changed and TW3 feels like a sudden homage finale to the source material rather than being a conclusion of the story of the two former games and I thought it was okay but I'm just not as impressed as some have been with the story and I think the Witcher as a games trilogy is about as inconsistent as Mass Effect, though probably even more because the games don't acknowledge the choices or how events from previous games occured well enough.

 

As much as I liked Triss in TW3, I just couldn't agree with my friend who thought she got a great ending to her arc in this game because to me it felt like her basic characteristics had been altered completely.

 

They're great games and 3 is especially good as a standalone and as an "open-world" RPG. I just don't think the story is THAT good, but it has great moments of intimacy and characters bonding really well. The main plot and its political intrigue was traded off for a shallower heart-to-heart kind of story that didn't even have a very satisfying conclusion though.

[MrFob]

They're great games and 3 is especially good as a standalone and as an "open-world" RPG. I just don't think the story is THAT good, but it has great moments of intimacy and characters bonding really well. The main plot and its political intrigue was traded off for a shallower heart-to-heart kind of story that didn't even have a very satisfying conclusion though.

 

Really? Aww, sorry to read that. I loved the main plot in TW2, especially for it's political intrigue (culminating in the final chapter). It was one of the few games IMO, where politics was done really well.

[Mr.House]

TW3 arguably handles save importing better than the former but truth be told all 3 games just don't feel consistent to each other. Characters are redesigned, writers swapped places, game directors changed and TW3 feels like a sudden homage finale to the source material rather than being a conclusion of the story of the two former games and I thought it was okay but I'm just not as impressed as some have been with the story and I think the Witcher as a games trilogy is about as inconsistent as Mass Effect, though probably even more because the games don't acknowledge the choices or how events from previous games occured well enough.

 

As much as I liked Triss in TW3, I just couldn't agree with my friend who thought she got a great ending to her arc in this game because to me it felt like her basic characteristics had been altered completely.

 

They're great games and 3 is especially good as a standalone and as an "open-world" RPG. I just don't think the story is THAT good, but it has great moments of intimacy and characters bonding really well. The main plot and its political intrigue was traded off for a shallower heart-to-heart kind of story that didn't even have a very satisfying conclusion though.

Triss's basic characteristics have been altered since the first game. She's probably the most inconsistent character in the game series really.

[Endurium]

Especially after reading the books I decided the best path for the Witcher games is neutral/Triss. Devs apparently agree so their games treat that as canon. They give players the option to have a pretend relationship with Shani and play support-the-minorities, etc., but those aren't canon. Geralt's focus throughout the games is upon recovering his memory, which can work against player choice.

 

I like it better than trying to romance Ashley in ME only to be without her until the latter half of ME3 because Liara is apparently canon (got her own DLC after all).

 

Imports will never be perfect, but I appreciate games that attempt to implement that feature.

[Fast Jimmy]

Especially after reading the books I decided the best path for the Witcher games is neutral/Triss. Devs apparently agree so their games treat that as canon. They give players the option to have a pretend relationship with Shani and play support-the-minorities, etc., but those aren't canon. Geralt's focus throughout the games is upon recovering his memory, which can work against player choice.

I like it better than trying to romance Ashley in ME only to be without her until the latter half of ME3 because Liara is apparently canon (got her own DLC after all).

Imports will never be perfect, but I appreciate games that attempt to implement that feature.

Liara (and, to a much lesser degree, Samantha Traynor) is the only LI in the entire series who is immune to death.

Think about that.

[Queen Skadi]

Yeah because the entire plot and ending of TW2 being ignored in TW3 and even retconned is a well put together trilogy.

 

Not exactly sure what you are referring to? What was retconned?

[Mr.House]

Not exactly sure what you are referring to? What was retconned?

How about the witch hunts always happening? Or how Radovid always carries out his vendetta? Or how Anais is either not talked about or worse, disappears if she was with Roche with no mention?

[Billy-the-Squid]

No character in DAI that appeared a past game turned full idiot like Radovid. DAI is already better in terms of continuity because of that.

That's because they were **** caricatures already. Although with radovid, yeah o have to agree, he was a let down compared to witcher 2. I can understand his paranoia, but the portrayal was just bad and waved off with, oh he's mad.

Poor show.

[Jester]

Spoiler

How about the witch hunts always happening? Or how Radovid always carries out his vendetta? Or how Anais is either not talked about or worse, disappears if she was with Roche with no mention?

Spoiler

Well, Witch Hunts always happen. No matter what you choose, the ending slides tell you, that upcoming months came with persecution and murder of mages and those accused of witchcraft. There's a slide of a sorceress on a stake, no matter what you choose. 

The only difference is, that when Council and Conclave is created, Radovid doesn't kill everyone in Loc Muinne, only a handful of sorceresses.

 

If by Radowid's vendetta, you mean taking Philippa's eyes, then he does that everytime anyway, but only on Iorweth's path you are able to witness it. 

 

As to Anais, yeah, I agree. She should have been at least mentioned by Roche.

 

Edit: Sorry. I mistook it for The Witcher 3 thread, where pretty much everyone played TW2 or is at least familiar with decisions and characters.

[Ozzy]

How about leaving Witcher 2 and 3 spoilers out of this thread? lol 

 

The OP has barely made any headway through W2. 

[SlottsMachine]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of save imports myself. Why'll The Witcher 3's poorly done save import doesn't bother me much, I do wonder why they bothered in the first place if they were going to put so little effort (for lack of a better word) into it. 

[Fast Jimmy]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of save imports myself. Why'll The Witcher 3's poorly done save import doesn't bother me much, I do wonder why they bothered in the first place if they were going to put so little effort (for lack of a better word) into it.

Same reason Bioware did... someone offered it for a previous game, so players would cry bloody murder if it was removed in a future game (despite the fact that the developers might not even want to do it any longer).

[rayvioletta]

it wouldn't have bothered me so much if there was no import option, that used to be the norm for RPGs anyway. back in KotOR we had a little conversation at the start of the sequel to establish personal cannon and that was more than most sequels offered

having an import option and just ignoring everything imported though just felt like I'd been lied to

 

anyway I may give Witcher 2 another go, or I might just skip to the third, haven't decided yet