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[Lebanese Dude]

Lol all the crying in this thread.

[Shaftell]

Lol all the crying in this thread.

There's no crying, I bring up a serious problem that is wrong with gaming today. Companies should respect their consumers more than this. First off, they pulled this with JOH where resources from the story dlc were used to then make the spoils dlc. Then they charge money for something that should've already been included with JOH. From what it looks like, they're pulling the same crap again. Optional dlc is fine so long as their business practices do not insult the consumer.

[robertthebard]

Unusual? In Italy everything receive fund money. All (and I mean ALL) newspapers and films are funded by the state; without the funds they can't be developed and published. And you know what? They suck big time. Bad products, high prices. The fact that they're funded doesn't affect their quality and pricing at all. They try to maximize the income as all the big companies do.
 
Also, I want to point out that there was a time were DLCs didn't exist. Companies made top notch games and they were not polish. Nowadays, there are big companies that are not aggressive on dlcs and, guess what, they're not polish either. So, since it's possibile to have decent dlc policies without being a Poland company, your argoment is invalid.
 
However I won't continue this discussion. It's OT and pointless. The fact that you (and the others that think like you) are just fanboys, is that you don't consider item packs the problem, while they are the problem. Skyrim didn't have item packs. So, guess what! It's possibile to earn a bazillion of dollar without releasing small dlc at high prices! And without being polish!

Just a note here, since you don't want to continue the conversation, but chose to throw some troll bait in on the way out; none of those companies making games that you're referring to not being Polish are CDPR either, which is who makes TW 3. I'd not bother to add that part, but apparently you didn't know, based on how you want to drag every gaming company ever into the discussion. I neither know, nor do I care where CDPR gets their money from. The fact is they've released DLC that was ready to go on Day 1. This means that they cut that content from the original game, so they could give it away. Hell of a PR move, but still cutting content that should have been included with the original game. My question, since I'm not following them at all at this point, thanks in large part to their fanbase, is would someone that decided to buy the game tomorrow get access to that free DLC, or was that a package deal with the pass?

[AstraDrakkar]

Ugh, another "Spoils of" DLC. I didn't get the Avvar one and have no intention of getting the Qunari one. All I want is a good story based DLC. Is that really too much to ask for?

[Cmpunker13]

Just a note here, since you don't want to continue the conversation, but chose to throw some troll bait in on the way out; none of those companies making games that you're referring to not being Polish are CDPR either, which is who makes TW 3. I'd not bother to add that part, but apparently you didn't know, based on how you want to drag every gaming company ever into the discussion. I neither know, nor do I care where CDPR gets their money from. The fact is they've released DLC that was ready to go on Day 1. This means that they cut that content from the original game, so they could give it away. Hell of a PR move, but still cutting content that should have been included with the original game. My question, since I'm not following them at all at this point, thanks in large part to their fanbase, is would someone that decided to buy the game tomorrow get access to that free DLC, or was that a package deal with the pass?

 

I'm ok to continue the conversation as long as it is civil and logical, as your answer is.

I don't get the "polish" thing. People here say that, since CDPR is subsized, it's easy for it to "give away things" for free. Skyrim is an AAA game not made by a company which get money from the state, and still doesn't have an aggressive dlc policy. So it's possible to adopt a decent dlc policy even without state funding. That was my point.

 

Even if you buy TW3 now, whatever version of the game you get, you will have the DLCs. Yes, it's an hell of a PR move, but I don't get the "but". You still get the stuff, right? For free. They were smart, we still got the content, I guess it's a win-win situation.

[Shaftell]

Ugh, another "Spoils of" DLC. I didn't get the Avvar one and have no intention of getting the Qunari one. All I want is a good story based DLC. Is that really too much to ask for?

I agree with you. I don't know what crack they're smoking, but it seems Bioware is just so out of touch. It is unanimous that fans want SP dlc over anything first. We've had 1 story dlc, the game is nearly a year old. Also these spoils packs are not only a rip off and a scam, from what I've been hearing, they're glitchy and badly made as well.

[Shard of Truth]

I was under the impression that Canada indeed subsidizes video game development, wasn't this the reason why Ubisoft (apart from other major publishers) opened this big studio in Toronto?

 

Also, there is no reason to argue if CD Projekt Red cut these 16 free DLCs from the game or not (or if they developed it during the main game), it's the simple fact that they giving it away for free that's so great (it's also pretty clever because the Witcher 3 is in the gaming news every week because of it).

What has Bioware done so far? You have the option to upgrade to the Deluxe Edition to get some items that definitely are not worth this price, you can take part in some meddlesome cross-promotions to get some new mounts/useless gear and you can buy these item packs that are not even on the quality level of DA2 (not really unique, not codex entry etc.).

 

The last time I had the feeling Bioware really cared about their customers is when they released all pre-order DLC (which is a topic on its own) for DA1 & 2 for free and that was probably about some legal issues in reality. Now it seems they just care about making arrangements with vendors, not making us happy or feel appreciated, at least not those of us who only play singleplayer.

[Cmpunker13]

I was under the impression that Canada indeed subsidizes video game development, wasn't this the reason why Ubisoft (apart from other major publishers) opened this big studio in Toronto?

 

Well, googled and : http://www.theglobea...article1387318/

 

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DrinkBox co-founder and CEO Ryan MacLean said the Toronto-based company has been working on the game for almost two years while also doing projects for larger studios. "There has obviously been a lot of support from various levels of government and that has been extremely helpful for us," MacLean said of DrinkBox, which has about 10 employees."We have made use of a number of grants and tax credits and other government programs. It gives us a competitive advantage over other countries." [...]

Wedbush Morgan analyst Edward Woo noted tax breaks have helped Canada develop its video game industry. "Canada has been a popular location for developers because of government subsidies, which started in Quebec and now are following through in other provinces," Woo said from Los Angeles. But such subsidies aren't viewed as negative because they help the industry grow, said Woo, who specializes in media and interactive entertainment. [...]

Macrae [EA spokesman] said tax incentives and post-secondary education programs geared to the video game industry are among factors that help. [...]

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Aahahahahaha

[Heathen Oxman]

Spoils of the Qunari = devs learned that many people wanted Qunari-specific armor; therefore, they decided to make some quick cash and charge people extra for it. 

 

I doubt I'll be buying it.  I'm generally not a fan of spending actual money to dress-up my imaginary person in imaginary clothes.  And I don't understand the point of pro-Qunari decoration items for a Tal-Vashoth. 

 

More story, please.

[Cell1e]

I love this dlc, I am so glad to have some new girly outfits to put my inquisitor in and I sure dont mind paying extra for it. This is someones time and efftort to make and Im glad to support. I bought the avaar armour pack too even though Im not keen on that big wooly armour style. It was good for a laugh putting it on Iron Bull. Hehhee,

 

Ahh thanks so much Bioware for this beautiful armours, I will happily buy any other girly armours they release as dlc! Abosulutely delighted!

 

Between our wonderful modders making new hairs and the new armours I have more reasons to keep playing my favourite series!

 

PS I think 5 euro is very little, its less than the hourly minimum wage here in ireland and I would spend that on a coffee and piece of cake, well more than that actually.

[chrstnmonks]

Just a note here, since you don't want to continue the conversation, but chose to throw some troll bait in on the way out; none of those companies making games that you're referring to not being Polish are CDPR either, which is who makes TW 3. I'd not bother to add that part, but apparently you didn't know, based on how you want to drag every gaming company ever into the discussion. I neither know, nor do I care where CDPR gets their money from. The fact is they've released DLC that was ready to go on Day 1. This means that they cut that content from the original game, so they could give it away. Hell of a PR move, but still cutting content that should have been included with the original game. My question, since I'm not following them at all at this point, thanks in large part to their fanbase, is would someone that decided to buy the game tomorrow get access to that free DLC, or was that a package deal with the pass?

At some point in time in game development content must be locked down, so you get your game to work. After everything was locked down where you couldn't add anymore into the game was(maybe?)  when they made these DLCs. You really can't make that argument for Sebastain and Javik.  Ultimately it doesn't matter to me ehatever their reasons I am enjoying the benefits.

[maia0407]

 

PS I think 5 euro is very little, its less than the hourly minimum wage here in ireland and I would spend that on a coffee and piece of cake, well more than that actually.

I agree 5 dollars isn't much for me; since I don't buy many games, I don't feel bad about supporting the games that I really like.

 

I do sympathize with the argument, though, that my spending habits are driving up prices for those that can't really afford to spend 5 dollars on this type of stuff and that it should already be in the JOH DLC. Might have to rethink my spending habits in light of that.

[Shaftell]

I agree 5 dollars isn't much for me; since I don't buy many games, I don't feel bad about supporting the games that I really like.

I do sympathize with the argument, though, that my spending habits are driving up prices for those that can't really afford to spend 5 dollars on this type of stuff and that it should already be in the JOH DLC. Might have to rethink my spending habits in light of that.

I don't want to speak for everyone, but it looks like that this issue isn't about affordability but rather the business practice that is bothering many.

[robertthebard]

I don't want to speak for everyone, but it looks like that this issue isn't about affordability but rather the business practice that is bothering many.

Nah, because when it's free, it's the ideal business model. It's only when they have to actually buy something that it becomes a problem. As you can see a few posts up, here, we have one guy using the same rationale that was used for Javik and Sebastian, but going with "I don't care, because I'm enjoying the benefits". The only difference in the three scenarios? One of them was free, care to guess which one he doesn't have an issue with?

[Dabrikishaw]

My main issue is the bugs. When the DLC was leaked they had a 2 week window to address any critiques of the bugs with the Qunari armor and they failed to do so. 

 

Other than that, I think the "Spoils" packs should be 2.99 instead of 4.99. It's not about not being able to pay for it, I just happen to think the current price doesn't match the value of the content. Especially when it looks like it isn't working properly. I don't have a problem with them existing in general.

[Andres Hendrix]

I bought the DLC just so I can look at Cassandra in some sexy Qunari armor. lol

[Shaftell]

I bought the DLC just so I can look at Cassandra in some sexy Quinari armor. lol

stop humiliating Cassandra like that lol... This is the version of Cassandra that works the street corners of Lowtown...

[Andres Hendrix]

stop humiliating Cassandra like that lol... This is the version of Cassandra that works the street corners of Lowtown...

No, she and the Inquisitor use it for 'training exercises'  in the Inquisitor's quarters.

[Bethgael]

Given that it is Iron Bull who points out to Cassandra how practical her vanilla armour is, this outfit seems like a... strange choice for qunari.

 

[I like it, side note. Not on Cass--she'd never wear it even if she does look good in it--but it's still very "non lore" Maybe my q. mage]

 

No more to say except for a generic "eff you Bioware. I've been annoyed since being nickle and dimed with Shale (who was originally in the vanilla game and was ripped out to be sold ) and etc."

[AVPen]

No more to say except for a generic "eff you Bioware. I've been annoyed since being nickle and dimed with Shale (who was originally in the vanilla game and was ripped out to be sold ) and etc."

Wasn't Shale's DLC available for free for people who bought the game new?
(at least, that's how it was when I first bought DA:O on the Xbox 360, it came with a code inside the case for the Shale DLC)

[Ashaantha]

Wasn't Shale's DLC available for free for people who bought the game new?
(at least, that's how it was when I first bought DA:O on the Xbox 360, it came with a code inside the case for the Shale DLC)

 

I got my Shale for free too, code for the DLC was on a little leaflet inside the case when i bought the game, so same deal as you.

[Bethgael]

I liked her post, but come to think of it, you all are right. Shale came free for me too.

 

It was Warden's Keep that nickeled and dimed you. And was Day 1, I think.

 

edit: However, it was like $7. Which is a helluva lot more worth it than this Qunari spoils....thing. It's invaluable, in fact.

I got WK and the armour for nada (PC, Australia), but remember paying for Shale. However, don't quote me on that. I don't even have the records any more.

 

Either way, Shale was originally intended to be in the base game, and it still annoyed me. [I am always prepared to be annoyed by EA; they'd just scooped up Bio at the time]

[Andres Hendrix]

Given that it is Iron Bull who points out to Cassandra how practical her vanilla armour is, this outfit seems like a... strange choice for qunari.

 

[I like it, side note. Not on Cass--she'd never wear it even if she does look good in it--but it's still very "non lore" Maybe my q. mage]

 

No more to say except for a generic "eff you Bioware. I've been annoyed since being nickle and dimed with Shale (who was originally in the vanilla game and was ripped out to be sold ) and etc."

For most of the game Iron Bull does not even wear a shirt, so he's one to talk... I can think of at least one situation when Cassandra might wear said armor; it has to do with Cassandra looking good in it.

Me, and all my friends who played DA:O got the Shale DLC for free, along with the blood dragon armor.