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#126
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Didn't buy the Avvar item DLC and will not buy the Qunari item DLC, because I'm not interested in some strange armors, which add nothing to the story. Could be that the Witcher DLC is also cut content, but it's free and you get at least some nice little quests.

And the additional armors in the Witcher DLCs look much better than the items of the Qunari DLC. Cassandra in the pic above looks like a woman in an harem or a Bollywood movie.


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As long as the majority wants comfort products and let the multi nationals promote it like crazy we will get comfort products.

Those products are very profitable and mostly without much creativity on the consumer end.

 

The tiny moments some like quality they temporary wake up and see it is not around and moan about it.  Thats a waste of enery and will never change anything.

The excuses I hear why those comfort goods are so good for you far outways that very temporary awakend state so we all have to live with it.....



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The fact that they keep releasing this type of DLC implies that a lot of people buy it, which is worrying.

What's the point in paying for new items half a year after completing the game and having no new content to use them in...

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The fact that they keep releasing this type of DLC implies that a lot of people buy it

 

Or that it's cheap enough to make that it doesn't need a lot of people to buy it at this price to be profitable.



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The fact that they keep releasing this type of DLC implies that a lot of people buy it, which is worrying.

What's the point in paying for new items half a year after completing the game and having no new content to use them in...

What's the point of buying a game full price on release and only playing it once?



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The fact that they keep releasing this type of DLC implies that a lot of people buy it, which is worrying.

What's the point in paying for new items half a year after completing the game and having no new content to use them in...

 

Umm how about start a new character and play them differently from your first play through?  I have about 6 character going and play them differently.  I started a mage Qunari when the DLC pack came and am enjoying it and the new armours.  Not far enough into the game yet to see the Skyhold decor but looking forward to it.

 

I just got the game on PC a few weeks ago.  I don't play one character all the way through then start another, I have a habit and playing multiple characters on a game like this.



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The fact that they keep releasing this type of DLC implies that a lot of people buy it, which is worrying.

What's the point in paying for new items half a year after completing the game and having no new content to use them in...


I guess the same as buying a game in the first place? I know I don't just play games I like once, so if there was something appealing to buy, even cosmetic wise, I'd buy it for subsequent playthroughs, or maybe even current playthroughs that aren't completed yet. These item packs haven't been all that appealing, to me, so I didn't buy them, and don't see myself buying them, but that doesn't mean I'm going to "storm the beaches" to get others to not buy them, or post screenshots of sheep. They're cosmetic items, people are going to like them, and buy them. My cousin has a Saturn SUV, and it's the ugliest car I've ever seen. I won't ever buy one, but she loves it. Should I be berating her for buying an ugly car?

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Meanwhile, in Witcher 3 land, little stuff like this is given away weekly, for free.



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Meanwhile, in Witcher 3 land, little stuff like this is given away weekly, for free.

 

It's way easier to design and release a small cosmetic, armor pack or singular quest just for one character (not as much cost to design/animate/record those).

 

And aside from Cyberpunk 2077, we also hear no news on CDPR working on 3 or more major projects simultaneously, which equals more resources put into one game or content designed for it.

 

I'd also like to point out that "Witcher 3-land" has only been open for 2 months and its marketing machine is still running at full speed. We'll have to wait and see what's there to be given away after 8 or more.

 

In other words - apple, meet orange.


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Meanwhile, in Witcher 3 land, little stuff like this is given away weekly, for free.


After being pulled from the game, for PR reasons. Unless you believe they created day 1 DLC the day the game released? You see, any argument you use goes against any arguments you may have used for From Ashes in ME 3, or Sebastian in DA 2. So what you meant to say was "I don't care what they do, so long as it's not EA doing it". It's really starting to be a yawn fest, if you ask me. I realize you're not. I realize that for whatever reason, you must continue to pile on the hate, but at least be fair about it. I'm all for hate where hate is due, but this content wasn't cut from the original game, it never existed in the original game. I realize you may subscribe to the school of "thought" that believes any content produced for a game should be free since you bought the game, it's not how it works, unless you pull a bunch of content out of the game before you release it, and then release it a little at a time to garner good will. There are, of course, sheep that will eat that up. Need proof? I quoted one here.
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I think too many people have this negative view on DLC. That it is an anti-consumer corporate greed in software form. I mean sure, there have definitely been some bad cases of content purposely being cut from the game and sold later but consider another perspective. Back before DLC was a thing, when devs were working on something but couldn't get it done before their deadline -that's their deadline, not the release date- it would just get cut. Nowadays, they have more options. They can either continue working on it and release it as day 1 DLC, or they can leave it on the backlog and return to finish/test it after release.  For example, the free quest dlcs for Witcher 3 were most likely in development if not finished pre-release, but they were probably crazy buggy. I bet if Spoils of the Avaar was packed into JoH, it would be just as buggy as Spoils of the Qunari. Maybe worse.

 

 

That being said, I think the DLC thus far has been pretty pathetic. JoH has some very interesting lore content but it is too expensive and the equipment packs are rip-offs.

 

DA should take cues from Bethesda and Obsidian in terms of DLC. I want to see more Old World Blues, Shivering Isles, Dragonborn in the SP department and I want to see more Gun Runners Arsenal  and less Spoils of X.



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Things like this; I don't mind throwing 5 bucks at. You get a couple of new mounts, some more ways to customize Skyhold and a couple of new armors. (Solas looks both hilarious and awesome wearing the Arishok's armor.) The other armor, which people say makes the character look like a harlot, actually looks like the Qunari on the card, which I love.

 

As far as dlc practices go, the only things I really disagree with are platform specific releases (I'm looking at you, Tomb Raider:Underworld) or retailer pre-orders which are never released again. (I'm looking at you, Star Wars: Force Unleashed 2.) Bioware also has a bad habit of repeating that last one already. (I'm looking at you, Mass Effect 2. And DAI... so far.)

For the most part, I don't care what dlc is released when on which platform, so long as that dlc is released later for *everyone* or in a "complete edition."


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Things like this; I don't mind throwing 5 bucks at. You get a couple of new mounts, some more ways to customize Skyhold and a couple of new armors. (Solas looks both hilarious and awesome wearing the Arishok's armor.) The other armor, which people say makes the character look like a harlot, actually looks like the Qunari on the card, which I love.

 

As far as dlc practices go, the only things I really disagree with are platform specific releases (I'm looking at you, Tomb Raider:Underworld) or retailer pre-orders which are never released again. (I'm looking at you, Star Wars: Force Unleashed 2.) Bioware also has a bad habit of repeating that last one already. (I'm looking at you, Mass Effect 2. And DAI... so far.)

For the most part, I don't care what dlc is released when on which platform, so long as that dlc is released later for *everyone* or in a "complete edition."

 

I don't mind throwing 5 bucks at Qunari appearances - I want some for my Qunari. But as far as I can tell this thing is bugged to hell and back re: e.g. skin tones. It's one thing to pay more than I think something is worth because I want the content (though I suppose that really says I think it's worth the price). But don't sell me a defective product. That's I think the real issue here. 


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Even if I were into the qunari design ,(which I'm not) I would wait a bit before buying that.

Seems like it's a bit glitched , I can't say I'm surprised "Spoils of the Avaar " was the same , it was an half baked product ( reskin of ancient assets , Iron Bull losing his unique body model in some armors , you had the war paint armor but no war face paint so it just looks weird etc...)

And if there's a Qunari DLC down the road , chances are we'll get Qunari  armors.

 

I didn't buy spoils of the Avaar/Qunari , maaaaybe I would buy a Dalish DLC but at this point I'm not sure I want to encourage Bioware.It's sloppy work for a quick buck .



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Since when did itempacks cost 15 $?

Oh I'm sorry I mean the story DLCs themselves, not the item packs. Worded that thing wrong



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It's way easier to design and release a small cosmetic, armor pack or singular quest just for one character (not as much cost to design/animate/record those).

 

And aside from Cyberpunk 2077, we also hear no news on CDPR working on 3 or more major projects simultaneously, which equals more resources put into one game or content designed for it.

 

I'd also like to point out that "Witcher 3-land" has only been open for 2 months and its marketing machine is still running at full speed. We'll have to wait and see what's there to be given away after 8 or more.

 

In other words - apple, meet orange.

Oh my ***ing god you are just a machine that just churns out excuse after excuse for Bioware. This is not apples and oranges.  How much does Bioware pay you to shill for them? 


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Oh my ***ing god you are just a machine that just churns out excuse after excuse for Bioware. This is not apples and oranges.  How much does Bioware pay you to shill for them? 

 

 

I so agree with you. She/he must be working for EA/Bioware. It's the only possible explanation for this sort of machine of  nonsensical apologies. 


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I so agree with you. She/he must be working for EA/Bioware. It's the only possible explanation for this sort of machine of  nonsensical apologies.


Could just be they're tired of the bullshit, I know I am. I have to wonder how much CDPR is paying people to come here and spam the forums with how much better TW 3 is, and how much better cutting content from the game for DLC is when it's CDPR that's doing it. I mean, you guys have to be being paid, right? It can't have anything to do with believing what you say can it? Maybe they're not arsed about optional content being sold. I know I'm not. It cost me more to read the TW fanboy posts than either of the Spoils DLCs cost me, since I didn't buy either one. The difference? I'm not here trying to tell someone else how to spend their money. You want to start supporting my gaming habit? I have 3 active MMO subs, shoot me a PM, and I'll have them start billing you for my gaming, but until you're paying for my gaming, what I buy or don't buy is none of your business, and I don't have to work for any gaming company to let you know it.
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Could just be they're tired of the bullshit, I know I am. I have to wonder how much CDPR is paying people to come here and spam the forums with how much better TW 3 is, and how much better cutting content from the game for DLC is when it's CDPR that's doing it. I mean, you guys have to be being paid, right? It can't have anything to do with believing what you say can it? Maybe they're not arsed about optional content being sold. I know I'm not. It cost me more to read the TW fanboy posts than either of the Spoils DLCs cost me, since I didn't buy either one. The difference? I'm not here trying to tell someone else how to spend their money. You want to start supporting my gaming habit? I have 3 active MMO subs, shoot me a PM, and I'll have them start billing you for my gaming, but until you're paying for my gaming, what I buy or don't buy is none of your business, and I don't have to work for any gaming company to let you know it.

 

 

You always appear so terrifying on your forum posts/rants. So overly aggressive and bitter. You should chill out. It's not good for your arterial pressure.


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Could just be they're tired of the bullshit, I know I am. I have to wonder how much CDPR is paying people to come here and spam the forums with how much better TW 3 is, and how much better cutting content from the game for DLC is when it's CDPR that's doing it. I mean, you guys have to be being paid, right? It can't have anything to do with believing what you say can it? Maybe they're not arsed about optional content being sold. I know I'm not. It cost me more to read the TW fanboy posts than either of the Spoils DLCs cost me, since I didn't buy either one. The difference? I'm not here trying to tell someone else how to spend their money. You want to start supporting my gaming habit? I have 3 active MMO subs, shoot me a PM, and I'll have them start billing you for my gaming, but until you're paying for my gaming, what I buy or don't buy is none of your business, and I don't have to work for any gaming company to let you know it.

Dissenters probably love Bioware more than the actual shillers do.  If you love something dearly, you want it to improve.  You want that something to get better.  Nothing was ever fixed, upgraded, or changed for the better while sitting around saying "Yeah...Everything is perfect the way it is." And that goes double for those who are actually saying everything is fine even as the water level is rising up to their chin, so to speak.

 

And you can accuse me of armchair development all you want, that's not what this is about.  I'm just saying that's why so many people are comparing TW 3 to DA:I.  They're looking at something and saying BIOWARE, YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS.  But these people, they take these comparisons so personally, as if it was an affront on their personal honor.  I'm sure the same could be said for Bioware employees themselves.  They never were too keen on actual criticism. 

 

I was enamored with Bioware growing up.  I STILL have fond memories of playing Jade Empire for the Xbox Huge.   Same with KOTOR.  The way they made characters and character interaction struck a cord with me in a way no other developer did at the time.  No other developer seemed to give a rat's ass about story or characters.  But they did.  And boy did they nail it.  

 

And now to see them fall to such depths.  Such lowly depths.  It is truly tragic.  Now, most of the Bioware vets have left the sinking ship, we're left with two gaming debacles, one really bad MMO, and of course the EA acquisition.  It's almost Shakespearean I tell ya. 


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Dissenters probably love Bioware more than the actual shillers do.  If you love something dearly, you want it to improve.  You want that something to get better.  Nothing was ever fixed, upgraded, or changed for the better while sitting around saying "Yeah...Everything is perfect the way it is." 

 

And that goes double for those who are actually saying everything is fine even as the water level is rising up to their chin, so to speak. 

 

Um... false dichotomy much? There's a healthy middle ground between 'dissenters' and 'shillers'.

 

 

Oh my ***ing god you are just a machine that just churns out excuse after excuse for Bioware. This is not apples and oranges.  How much does Bioware pay you to shill for them? 

 

Gotta love that you're so cynical, critical and aggressive, accusing people who make legit points of 'shilling' and being paid by BW (btw. I wasn't making excuses for Bioware, I was simply pointing out the differences between DLC content delivered for both games) only then to like a post claiming that a person who wrote a less confrontational post is "overly aggresive and bitter".

No self-awareness here, it seems.


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Dissenters probably love Bioware more than the actual shillers do.  If you love something dearly, you want it to improve.  You want that something to get better.  Nothing was ever fixed, upgraded, or changed for the better while sitting around saying "Yeah...Everything is perfect the way it is." 

 

And that goes double for those who are actually saying everything is fine even as the water level is rising up to their chin, so to speak. 

 

Everything is fine, unless you don't know how to swim. Or have a life raft or something. I at least have diving gear.

Seriously, the CDPR comparisons do fail considering how lowkey they are in comparison to BW - not to mention most of the "free content" is cut content and that BW has at least been offering multiplayer DLC for free. Just as people critical of BW aren't shills for said-developer, people who ardently defend BW aren't shills for them. Some like the way things are going, and others don't.



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... The other armor, which people say makes the character look like a harlot, actually looks like the Qunari on the card, which I love. ...


The armor looking like the Tarot Card is what I've been wanting since I first loaded the game. So yay! Unfortunately I have nothing left to do in the game after two complete playthrus. Once new story dlc drops I'll purchase this then, hopefully they figure something out about the skin color issue by then.

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Um... false dichotomy much? There's a healthy middle ground between 'dissenters' and 'shillers'.

 

 

 

Gotta love that you're so cynical, critical and aggressive, accusing people who make legit points of 'shilling' and being paid by BW (btw. I wasn't making excuses for Bioware, I was simply pointing out the differences between content delivered for both games) only then to like a post claiming that a person who wrote a less confrontational post is "overly aggresive and bitter".

No self-awareness here, it seems.

Those weren't legitimate points though.  At all.  They were half-baked excuses conjured up in order to give Bioware leeway for their unbridled incompetence. 



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You always appear so terrifying on your forum posts/rants. So overly aggressive and bitter. You should chill out. It's not good for your arterial pressure.


Thanks for your concern, but the reality is, my blood pressure is fine. I realize that disagreeing with you w/out giving you anything to say "See, he works for EA" makes it hard for you to counter the post. I expected that, truth be told. Just understand, the reason TW 3 isn't installed on my computer, or even purchased by me, is because of people just like you and your counterpart. Every time I came here, there was a new TW 3 is better thread in the spoiler section of Inquisition. I decided that, just as with WoW, if I'm not happy with the way the community is in forums, I'm sure not going to want to be in game with them. Yes, I'm aware it's a Single Player game. I don't want to be associated with people that aren't savvy enough to understand what off topic means. Purchasing TW 3 would mean that I approve of your/other's antics on these forums. I don't. I can't take any direct action other than reporting posts that really need to be reported, none in this thread yet, and refusing to give CDPR my money.

That makes me sad, in a way, because even though I couldn't make myself finish either of the first two installments, I own them, and not just standard editions either. I have Enhanced editions of both. It's just too bad, for CDPR, that they can't police their player base, and it's not their failing, they literally can't police them. It's cost them my money, and I'm probably not the only one that's so sick of hearing about it here that they refuse to buy it. So congratulations for that, I suppose.

Dissenters probably love Bioware more than the actual shillers do.  If you love something dearly, you want it to improve.  You want that something to get better.  Nothing was ever fixed, upgraded, or changed for the better while sitting around saying "Yeah...Everything is perfect the way it is." And that goes double for those who are actually saying everything is fine even as the water level is rising up to their chin, so to speak.


Nice, so it's either dissenter or shiller, and there's no room for anything in between. I'm of the opinion that if I love something dearly, then it must be ok. If I like something a lot, then maybe I have found some faults with it. I like DA I a lot. I found faults with it before it ever released, and made my opinion known then. A search of my post history will make that pretty clear. So much for shiller, eh? However, continuing to go on and on about 8 skill limits on PC isn't going to accomplish anything. I know that, and so, instead of coming here like a broken record, I let it go. That's why there's no "I'm still bitter about ME 3's ending" notes in my sig, despite your counterpart stating how bitter I am.
 

And you can accuse me of armchair development all you want, that's not what this is about.  I'm just saying that's why so many people are comparing TW 3 to DA:I.  They're looking at something and saying BIOWARE, YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS.  But these people, they take these comparisons so personally, as if it was an affront on their personal honor.  I'm sure the same could be said for Bioware employees themselves.  They never were too keen on actual criticism.


I'm glad that you have everyone's motives for posting worked out. I wonder, do all these people you're choosing to speak for know you're speaking for them? I mean, in your black and white world, they are either posting for the reasons you say, or they're what, shillers? Of course, shiller is also your term, it seems, for anyone that disagrees with what you have to say, or how you choose to present it.
 

I was enamored with Bioware growing up.  I STILL have fond memories of playing Jade Empire for the Xbox Huge.   Same with KOTOR.  The way they made characters and character interaction struck a cord with me in a way no other developer did at the time.  No other developer seemed to give a rat's ass about story or characters.  But they did.  And boy did they nail it.  
 
And now to see them fall to such depths.  Such lowly depths.  It is truly tragic.  Now, most of the Bioware vets have left the sinking ship, we're left with two gaming debacles, one really bad MMO, and of course the EA acquisition.  It's almost Shakespearean I tell ya.


I have an extensive BW catalog, and it includes the "really bad MMO" which, quite frankly, isn't all that bad. I'd like it more if I were more of a SW junky, but I'm not. I do, however, have an active sub, because I like the game, and don't mind supporting it for that reason. I realize that, according to you, that means I'm a shiller, right? Because I'm spending my money on what I choose to spend it on, instead of what you think, or your buddy above thinks I should spend it on? Melodrama aside, I suspect that your issue is more with ME 3's ending, and that's why you're "still angry after 3 years". Your partner here gave me some advice, and I'm going to pass it on to you; let it go.