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[mfr001]

Having never played mp before I'm barely brave enough to join someone else's server/game thing. Sadly, it may be the only option I've got left, which sucks as a noob with no interest in actually playing mp much. Maybe I can find some friends to help me out in this case.. *sighs* be nice if it wasn't such a hassle lol.

If you have "Friends" on Origin, it is possible to set up a game and invite these friends only. This might work better than trying to join other people's games. If you give your Origin user name system (E.g. PC, PS3) and time zone, I am sure some of the people here will volunteer to assist.

 

There are many helpful MP players who are happy to assist new players find their feet. One word of warning. I started playing MP a little before the release of Patch 7, and it is addictive. The aim of my life now is to kill archers before they get me.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

To those saying "get over it", there is a bigger issue at hand here. A few measly baubles for Skyhold locked behind MP, I can deal with but where does it stop? If this was the first time that they'd tried to force MP on the SP-only crowd before realising their mistake, I could forget it but this happened before and they have even talked about how MP would impact SP in NO WAY and that they would be completely separate. Well now they're changing their tune and even though they MUST have know it would go down like a lead balloon among the SP-only crowd, they just did it anyway. The only reason they're doing it is because DAMP is nowhere near as successful as MEMP was an now they want to make more money.

This whole trend of making traditionally SP games into SP/MP hybrids for the sole reason of making more back-end money is what bothers me the most. First they tack it on without much thought and then they realise how much money they can make selling crappy chests (which are basically overpriced raffle tickets) over and over again so MP starts to get more and more funding and big expansions and new areas and then EA thinks "Whoa! Why are we wasting our time with expensive SP content when we can make a crapload spending peanuts on MP?" and then, when not enough people want to play, they start locking SP content behind MP to "incentivise" people into playing it. And when next week, when they see that they had X% more players and made Y% more money, do you really think they'll stop at trinkets?

If you think that's an overreaction on my part or that I'm being cynical, you should know that I worked in Sales & Marketing for 15 years and this is how these people think. I don't think the people that actually create content think this way but it's somebody's [awful soul-sucking] job to make these decisions and "Dragon Props" is not a free gift and DAMP is not some benign, "free" additional player mode. This isn't altruism on anyone's part. It all exists to convince the average consumer to continue paying for a game they've already bought.

Which is fine; make your money. Just keep it the hell out of my single-player game.
If you please.

No no, damp was only added so that players could play with friends. There was no monetary ulterior motive.

*cough*

[ParthianShotX]

Then they should keep rewards for killing MP dragons in multiplayer and stay the hell out of SP.

 

Not to stir up a whole thing here, but you might keep in mind that the vast majority of MP players are also SP players. 

[lynroy]

Not to stir up a whole thing here, but you might keep in mind that the vast majority of MP players are also SP players. 

What? I thought we only ever spent our time having tea parties in the Fereldan Castle with our lovely flying Dragon friend, comparing the size of our Calibans.

[FieryDove]

Ermmm... The MP stuff *is* "out of your SP".  In your SP game you will never use it, see it, or be affected by it.

So, BioWare is letting you do exactly what you (say you) want, and you're still whinging?

 

Oh, now I get it.  You're upset that other people have the ability to affect their SP games in a way you don't want/choose to affect yours. <facepalm>

 

No not upset that people get this, it's the idea of it. If you think this was the only MP thing to effect sp then you are very misinformed.

 

I am not interested in this, or anything that's been pushed out so far after release. I would enjoy a hair pack/armor toggle in skyhold and better mouse/keyboard controls. But that isn't shiny enough to makes lots of $$ I guess. Oh well.

[frankf43]

...Nobody should be freaking out about this. It would be one thing if they were locking out story content or equipment, but this is purely cosmetic. Get over it.

*Boots up MP for the first time*

 

It's more the fact that their word means nothing than losing the content. If they are pushing this now what will they be pushing in 6 months time? How cane we believe what they promise in future games if they can't keep to one they made for this game. This on top of withdrawing Old Gen support has left me unwilling to trust them with my money in future. 

[frankf43]

You can 12 month subscription for XBL for $60 US and it's $50 for PSN.

You can also get a 3 month subscription for XBL for $25 and $20 for PSN. 

I don't want XBG I don't want MP I want them to keep their word that MP will not impact SP. If they can't do that then they are not worth trusting with my money in future. 

[Iakus]

I don't want XBG I don't want MP I want them to keep their word that MP will not impact SP. If they can't do that then they are not worth trusting with my money in future. 

So.  Much.  This.

 

THere is no way they can pass this off as "a mistake" this time.

 

HEck a big part of the reason why I chose to get this game is that early reports confirmed that MP didn't touch SP AT ALL!!!

[Texasmotiv]

To those saying "get over it", there is a bigger issue at hand here. A few measly baubles for Skyhold locked behind MP, I can deal with but where does it stop? If this was the first time that they'd tried to force MP on the SP-only crowd before realising their mistake, I could forget it but this happened before and they have even talked about how MP would impact SP in NO WAY and that they would be completely separate. Well now they're changing their tune and even though they MUST have know it would go down like a lead balloon among the SP-only crowd, they just did it anyway. The only reason they're doing it is because DAMP is nowhere near as successful as MEMP was an now they want to make more money.

 

This whole trend of making traditionally SP games into SP/MP hybrids for the sole reason of making more back-end money is what bothers me the most. First they tack it on without much thought and then they realise how much money they can make selling crappy chests (which are basically overpriced raffle tickets) over and over again so MP starts to get more and more funding and big expansions and new areas and then EA thinks "Whoa! Why are we wasting our time with expensive SP content when we can make a crapload spending peanuts on MP?" and then, when not enough people want to play, they start locking SP content behind MP to "incentivise" people into playing it. And when next week, when they see that they had X% more players and made Y% more money, do you really think they'll stop at trinkets?

 

If you think that's an overreaction on my part or that I'm being cynical, you should know that I worked in Sales & Marketing for 15 years and this is how these people think. I don't think the people that actually create content think this way but it's somebody's [awful soul-sucking] job to make these decisions and "Dragon Props" is not a free gift and DAMP is not some benign, "free" additional player mode. This isn't altruism on anyone's part. It all exists to convince the average consumer to continue paying for a game they've already bought. 

 

Which is fine; make your money. Just keep it the hell out of my single-player game.

If you please.

The entitlement is strong with this one. Its not your game. Its their game and you bought it. This thread is super-disappointing to read with all the negativity. It's a marketing ploy, they want more people to play multiplayer. Just so you know, the majority of people who play multiplayer have NOT purchased platinum from the store and all the DLC for MP is free. The quoted post above is so full of silly its not even funny.

 

 

That said, If anyone is on PS3 and needs help killing a dragon send me a PM here on BSN and I am more than willing to help out. My PSN ID is in my sig.

[Iakus]

Not to stir up a whole thing here, but you might keep in mind that the vast majority of MP players are also SP players. 

I'm not sure why what I said would stir things up.  I'm not saying MP players should stay out of the SP campaign, but that MP rewards should stay out of SP.

[berelinde]

Yeah, this is complete BS. If I wanted to grind levels to get good loot in a MMO, I'd have bought a MMO. DAI was billed as a SP game with a completely optional MP component, and I (perhaps foolishly) believed them, so I plunked down a small fortune for the preorder.

 

This content should unlock once you complete the Dragon Hunter trophy.

 

If BioWare wants to encourage people to play MP, they should offer benefits in the MP experience, not tie it to the SP campaign.

[frankf43]

The entitlement is strong with this one. Its not your game. Its their game and you bought it. This thread is super-disappointing to read with all the negativity. It's a marketing ploy, they want more people to play multiplayer. Just so you know, the majority of people who play multiplayer have NOT purchased platinum from the store and all the DLC for MP is free. The quoted post above is so full of silly its not even funny.

 

 

That said, If anyone is on PS3 and needs help killing a dragon send me a PM here on BSN and I am more than willing to help out. My PSN ID is in my sig.

Yeah we paid money for it after they made certain promises. It is not entitlement to expect them to live up to those promises after they have our money. In any other field taking someones money then going back on your promises would be called sharp practice. 

[c0bra951]

All I see is people being upset over PS Plus Xbox Live fees. PC is free from these. 

 

I've been paying for XBL Gold for 8 years.  That doesn't mean I like to be forced online in a game I want to play offline solo.  This reminds me of the "Community Challenges" and the "Initiates" nonsense in the last couple of (real) AC games.  The content is already force-fed into my drive, but I can't access it unless I go jump through needless online hoops.

[ParthianShotX]

I don't want XBG I don't want MP I want them to keep their word that MP will not impact SP. If they can't do that then they are not worth trusting with my money in future. 

 

In fairness, I think this all rests on how you define impact.   It's a minor little shiny.   It's lack doesn't detract from your gaming experience -- we didn't have it a month ago and the game was OK.  It's addition doesn't substantially enhance.  To give BW the benefit of the doubt, they may not view this as impacting your SP experience.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

I'm not sure why what I said would stir things up.  I'm not saying MP players should stay out of the SP campaign, but that MP rewards should stay out of SP.

 

But... they *are* staying out of your  SP game.  Completely.  100%

 

How does the fact that some other people  have something (they've earned) in their  SP games diminish, or even effect, yours?  I have things in my SP game that you probably don't.  The +2 Dex "Ring of Technical Knowledge" and the "Light Torn" steed, just for starters.  I received those as a reward for doing something you haven't/won't/don't want to do.   So...?

[mfr001]

No no, damp was only added so that players could play with friends. There was no monetary ulterior motive.

*cough*

Well, I just hope they don't expect to get rich on the amount I've spent, in spite of the amount of time I've been in MP over the last few months.

[Dabrikishaw]

On one hand I understand why people who don't like multiplayer have a problem with any single player content being locked behind it.

 

On the other hand, it's just cosmetic stuff for decoration. It's not like you'll lose out on anything plot-relevant.

[Iakus]

But... They *are* staying out of your  SP game.  Completely.  100%

 

How does the fact that some other people  have something (they've earned) in their  SP games diminish, or even effect, yours?  I have things in my SP game that you probably don't.  The +2 Dex "Ring of Technical Knowledge" and the "Light Torn" steed, just for starters.  I received those as a reward for doing something you haven't/won't/don't want to do.   So...?

Because these "props" are a single player reward that requires MP to play.  Something they promised would not happen.  ESPECIALLY in light of the ME3 debacle.

 

If there is a reward that appears in SP, it should be available to earn in SP.

 

And additional Skyhold customization is something that has been in great demand since pretty much the start of the game.  A single player feature.

[Iakus]

On one hand I understand why people who don't like multiplayer have a problem with any single player content being locked behind it.

 

On the other hand, it's just cosmetic stuff for decoration. It's not like you'll lose out on anything plot-relevant.

As I said before, addtional features for Skyhold has been in high demand.  It's not unreasonable for SP fans to feel screwed out of this.  Especially after promises that this time SP and MP will not overlap.

 

Not to mention the utter ridiculousness of displaying trophies from nameless minions rather than that of high dragons the Inquisitor brings down him/her self.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Because these "props" are a single player reward that requires MP to play.  Something they promised would not happen.  ESPECIALLY in light of the ME3 debacle.

 

If there is a reward that appears in SP, it should be available to earn in SP.

 

And additional Skyhold customization is something that has been in great demand since pretty much the start of the game.  A single player feature.

 

And there's plenty of Skyhold customization available to SP-only folk.  And this impacts the SP campaign not at all, it's just eye candy.  Whereas the items I have that you don't give me a real leg-up in the earliest parts of the game.   I could understand the backlash if that were the case with this, but it's not.

 

All of the vitriol seems to boil down to, "Someone has a shiny I don't, and I don't want to do what is required to get it."

 

Again, how is YOUR game diminished (made less than it used to be) by this?

[lanawinst]

And there's plenty of Skyhold customization available to SP-only folk.  And this impacts the SP campaign not at all, it's just eye candy.  Whereas the items I have that you don't give me a real leg-up in the earliest parts of the game.   I could understand the backlash if that were the case with this, but it's not.

 

All of the vitriol seems to boil down to, "Someone has a shiny I don't, and I don't want to do what is required to get it."

 

Again, how is YOUR game diminished (made less than it used to be) by this?

 

It depends on what you personally value in your game. I value any customization whether for Skyhold or companions/personal outfits or hair way more than any +2 Dex ring out there. I'd rather wear an outfit that is under-leveled but looks not only good but fits the character I'm playing as, than an outfit that is a huge help gameplay-wise but looks aweful, and the same goes for Skyhold. 

 

So yes, I am very annoyed at the fact that something I personally value, that visually affects my SP playthrough, is only obtainable by doing something I dislike doing that shouldn't be tied to a SP content. And yes, I've played MP before (I've run flashpoints and ops in SWTOR, and I've even tried Mass Effect MP when it was still necessary to get the best endings and stopped as soon as it was confirmed that it was no longer necessary), and I can safely state that I do dislike MP, and do not to want to be forced, or in this case, strongly encouraged to play it in my SP game.

 

Edit: Plus, it feels like a slippery slope, and that is a scary thought.

[frankf43]

In fairness, I think this all rests on how you define impact.   It's a minor little shiny.   It's lack doesn't detract from your gaming experience -- we didn't have it a month ago and the game was OK.  It's addition doesn't substantially enhance.  To give BW the benefit of the doubt, they may not view this as impacting your SP experience.

Today it's a minor little shinny then a new armor set followed by a map area in the SP game. This is just testing the waters if this does improve MP take up the SP/MP crossover will continue and grow in importance. 

[Thandal N'Lyman]

So, the whinging comes down to "They (the MP folk) get a shiny (no game impact, just eye candy) that I (a SP guy) don't, but want."

 

Ummm... (again)  So? 

 

We all want, and don't always get.  But complaining that others DO get, especially when they "work" for what they get, seems, well, childish.

[frankf43]

So, the whinging comes down to "They (the MP folk) get a shiny (no game impact, just eye candy) that I (a SP guy) don't, but want."

 

Ummm... (again)  So?

It's nothing to do with the shinny it to do with promises and keeping your word. If this means nothing to you then I feel sorry for you. 

[Felya87]

I feel Like BioWare lied. Again. Nothing in the SP game should be unloked playng MP. it was what it was promised.
This time is just cosmetic stuff. Last time part of the ending. Next time? What Will be? I don't think I will know, since I will not buy that game.