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[BSpud]

I'm glad that worked out for you in your situation, but you can't generalize that to mean it would have worked for everyone.

 

I actually had the money saved to buy a PS4 before Inquisition came out. Unfortunately before Inquisition I also had a cancer scare that worked out okay for my health but generated a massive pile of medical bills that ate up what I had saved plus a lot more.

 

I haven't brought that up till now because no one here has any reason to care about my personal life, but I've reached my saturation point for reading that people should have just saved up for a different console.

 

I feel you, the same thing happened to me (sudden medical bills and other necessary expenditures totally wiping out what I was saving for a new console and then some). There really are some elitist and spoiled jerks in this "debate." I'll assume the best and hope it's only because they're still financial dependents.

[Beama Beorhtost]

@Wargrim That's ludicrous. If it was a courtesy why did we have to pay full price like everybody else? And considering that they offered no technical support after release since they didn't fix any of the specific old gens problems I call that cash-grabbing attitude not courtesy!

[StrongBlackVine]

Why is this irrelevant. Both systems started at an inadequate HD size, One actively offered a solution. Two in fact.

 

The other didn't. Sony are now thankfully starting to play catch up with this problem.

 

You could upgrade the PS4 hard drive from the start. I put 2TB one in PS4 less than 2 months after launch and sold the 500GB drive on eBay. It wasn't an expensive upgrade.

[HgBird]

At the risk of sounding like an elitist, gaming is not a cheap hobby. Anybody who regularly games is aware of this by far; the price of games alone is ridiculous, and I know I anticipate and dread the announcement of next gen consoles in equal measure.

 

And while I'm sympathizing with last gen players who can't afford upgrading their platforms, the decision to cut DLC for last gen was a sound one. The inherent problem is that marketing did not do a good enough job (imo) of covering the differences between the generations. DAI looks terrible on PS3 and is glitchy as all hell, from what I've seen. And a highly advertised feature--scars--was completely absent from last gen; something I know threw a curveball to a lot of last gen players. This coupled with the fact that DLC for them is revoked halfway through the cycle after release is like kicking someone when they're down. And while I believe last gen consoles are not entitled to DLC release (especially now that we've hit the point where last gen is just about obsolete), the fact that this was not presented as a possibility/last gen gamers were led to believe the quality of the game would only be slightly less than what other platforms would receive...feels sketchy and underhand at best.

 

However, last gen is what 10+ years old by now? I was honestly surprised to even hear DAI was going to be released on last gen. The market for gaming is really all about anticipation. Gamers have to anticipate the fact that if they're not uptodate, they're going to get left behind. Anybody who regularly follows the release of any series knows this. "I don't want a next gen console because nothing I want to play is out," has to turn to, "I want a next gen console because DAI is coming out" or "I want a next gen console because (even though I'm not super excited for DAI) last gen is over and all new games that I may want aren't going to be playable on my hardware." Or else, you find that a game you really really want just released and now you have to blow $60 and the extra $400 on a new console, and you will because...you love video games.

 

And I realize, yeah, this screws over people who can't afford to spend that kind of money. But...this is a hobby. This is an expensive hobby. No one is making you game. You choose to put time and money into this because you've deemed it valuable.

 

And hell, developers/publishers have to anticipate more; they're concerned with trends, sales, competition, and a bunch of other stuff I really can't speak much for. Choosing to cut platforms is to assure quality of content and stay relevant in a market that has decided last gen is obsolete. And it sucks. It really really sucks for those of you still on last gen, and I think the biggest mistake is that they even developed for last gen in the first place. Because cutting in the middle (especially with no explanation given at all--just a hit and run) feels like a cash-grab and is demeaning to players for aforementioned reasons.

[Beama Beorhtost]

@TreeHuggerHannah Sorry to hear about your health scare and having had to deal with (work related) minor health problems [not even comparable to yours] recently I really sympathised with you. I hope everything will be sorted soon so that you can start saving if not for a next gen console any extra treat that you may want to cheer yourself up.  

 

I have had problems saving the money as I leave in one of the most expensive and unregulated cities in the world (3/4 of my monthly salary goes just into paying rent) and I'm in a vocational profession. I do consider gaming an hobby, like I believe does everybody else, that is not really in question. What I dispute is that BW considered the game good enough and functional at launch, when they wanted to sell as many copies as possible so that they could go to their share holder meeting and claim that this was the most successful launch for a DA game, but suddenly, half way through the game cycle and with an unfinished product story wise,  is not feasible anymore.

 

I'm not into conspiracy theories, despite loving the Deus Ex series, but it really sound fishy that after 'other fantasy games' came out and have been dominating the sale charts, unlike DA:I that hardly got in it, BW/EA decided to tell a good portion of their fanbase that they have to buy the game again if they want to play (what I and many other that have completed DA:I consider to be) the true ending of the game. Call me paranoid but if this is not a cash/sell-grabbing ploy from EA I really don't know what it is...

[Guitar-Hero]

Somtimes getting screwed can be fun, and you just might get an orgasm out of it- just dont be selfish and give one first

[ForgottenWarrior]

It's quite unfair to do this now. They could have warned about it BEFORE game was released. About the possibilty of it, at least. Now it feels like betrayal.

[Robert Trevelyan]

It's weird to me seeing this cause any sort of player divide. Everyone agrees Bioware shouldn't have made PS3/XBox360 versions of Inquisition in the first place, so there's nothing to be "brutally honest" about. You aren't dropping some mind-blowing revelation on anyone playing on old gen.

 

 

As I think the high number of posters not sharing that opnion on this thread, I'm not sure that's really true. They were deeply surprised to find that future DLC for a game they had already bought one expansion for would not be happening for them. It is a pretty harsh, and rare move. That's the objection.

 

 

Fine so provide a free copy for next gen to last gen owners then.

 

 

That would actually be far more reasonable. Or at least a hefty discount on the base game for current gen.

 

 

I'm glad that worked out for you in your situation, but you can't generalize that to mean it would have worked for everyone.

 

I actually had the money saved to buy a PS4 before Inquisition came out. Unfortunately before Inquisition I also had a cancer scare that worked out okay for my health but generated a massive pile of medical bills that ate up what I had saved plus a lot more.

 

I haven't brought that up till now because no one here has any reason to care about my personal life, but I've reached my saturation point for reading that people should have just saved up for a different console.

 

Bioware/EA never told me there was any reason I would need to save up for a different console to play their game. I was not told that the version I was purchasing was limited in future content availability, or I would not have purchased it. I would have waited and started saving up again. I had no reason to think I couldn't just pre-order a copy for launch day for the console I already had and get the full story experience even if it didn't look as visually splendid.

 

 

As a cancer survivor myself I can empathise. Sudden and hidden costs of that kind can change things very quickly. And I'm sorry you had to go through that, to any degree. Genuinely.

 

I guess that my issue with the notion of upgrading is that there is such a huge run up to a shift in console generations. By the time the Xbox One and PS4 were announced in early-mid 2013 we'd known they were coming for over 6 months. It wasn't a case of IF it was a case of WHEN?

 

A lot of people on here will come across as brash to last gen players, because as they see it by the time Inquisition was released the new formats had been known about for the beter part of 2 years. That was plenty time to plan. Many feel agrueved because of what is perceived to be a significant downgrade in the overal quality of Dragon Age Inquisition caused by neccesary development parity with the previous generation. Thet feel that too much had to be cut, that too much got downgraded as a result.

 

They look at other comparable current gen games which cut off last gen systems from their release which have shown huge amounts of improvement.

 

In short they blame EA and Bioware for supporting the old Kit and compromising a few current gen Dragon Age game. They won't have much sympathy for last gen gamers as a result.

 

But ultimately that fault lies at the feet of whoever made the final decision to support last gen on this game. At all. Because in order to gain back the huge amount of negativity that Bioware have been receiving for Inquisition since the launch of games like The Witcher 3 they need to make sudden and sweeping changes to try and win back the confidence of current gen and PC players. And that can only be achieved by getting the most out of the current gen systems, and leaving the last gen consoles behind.

 

At this late stage that means burning the fingers of people who have already bought the game. And I don't personally feel that they are doing enough to remunerate people. Yes, they can't have a refund. The game works as intended. You just won't get future DLC. But I don't personally feel that free DLC downloads for the DLC purchased on last gen is enough.

 

A heavy heavy discount on the upgrade of the base game is the very least that should be offered.

 

It's still not going to help those who need to upgrade their console though, sadly.

 

 

It's quite unfair to do this now. They could have warned about it BEFORE game was released. About the possibilty of it, at least. Now it feels like betrayal.

 

 

It is unfair. But really there is no way that they could have known this was going to happen back then. I personally feel that if it hadn't been for the quite so explosive success of a direct competitor (The Witcher 3) making Inquisition look so under developed this probably wouldn't even be happening.

[Chiramu]

The Xbox 360 and PS3 will shortly be phased out. It is only a matter of time, why not take this as a time to start thinking about getting a next-gen console or put some money down into a gaming PC? 

 

There will not be any new releases of games on the old gen consoles.

[Robert Trevelyan]

The Xbox 360 and PS3 will shortly be phased out. It is only a matter of time, why not take this as a time to start thinking about getting a next-gen console or put some money down into a gaming PC? 

 

There will not be any new releases of games on the old gen consoles.

 

 

I think that part of the problem behind that logic is that both Sony and MIcrosoft are taking a long time to phase out support for their last gen machines. Both are still getting free monthly games for subscribers. Both are still getting regular releases. It's hardly encouraging people to upgrade.

[ShadesX1]

I can see people with health issues on the forum, I can't claim to have those same health issues but I do have my own as well as several other unfortunate incidents which have left me financially unstable at present leading back to...yes gaming is a hobby. But for some of us it's also an escape, a way to relax and unwind, but it's clear the only reason DAI was released on last gen was to INCREASE profits, despite the difficulties they faced. Yes PS4 and XboxOne had been out for a year but they still hadn't quite hit their stride and many gamers were sticking with their last gen and this was KNOWN. So how is this handled? The game is released on the more widely accessable last gen despite it's limitations, features are SILENTLY cut without a word to players (such as scars) and half way through the cycle they drop DLC support for the last gen. When we bought our versions of DAI we all expected to at least be getting all the DLC that was to come since this was the last game in the last gen cycle. Now after doing some research they do have a save data transfer option in place HOWEVER it requires you posses not 1 but 2 copies of Inquisition one for your old console one for your new. So that takes the selling/trading in of your old copy off the table unless you want to start over from scratch.

http://www.dragonage...s/save-importer

Those are the details of the process, now...I don't know about other gamers here but I dislike...no, I should say DESPISE having two copies of...anything. I don't like having two copies of the same game since I don't have much money this is also a problem I have rarely ever come across. But a good example would be Street Fighter IV after the game was released it saw 3 more releases Super Street Fighter IV, Super Street Fighter IV Arcade Edition, and lastly Ultra Street Fighter IV now as a fan of the game and because I didn't want to download the update I traded in the old copy and got the new one. But I'm off topic my apologies.

If we want to keep our characters and our progress on next gen (if you have a next gen console) then you HAVE to have no less then two copies of the game. Bioware/EA is NOT supplying us with a new copy and we are left to fend for ourselves in this case; no matter the technical limitations of the PS3 and Xbox 360 or the difficulty of making future DLC for those consoles. Nothing about this seems right, it is shady, underhanded, and wrong a way to wring more money out of gamers when let's face not everyone has it. To simply say "Gaming is an expensive hobby" as an excuse is wrong, especially for a game that was already paid for. DLC is more often then not cheaper then a full game so these little things that keep the game fresh and interesting don't break a gamers wallet and help keep us interested in games we enjoy. Which is unfortunatly another shady practice that developers use now adays...does anyone else miss the PS2 days and lack of online support? The days where if a game wasn't perfect on launch you were screwed? Just me? Oh well....

We could go in circles and argue the points for both sides round and round we could go, but I'm just going to say given Bioware and EA's track record I doubt it would be too difficult for them to just finish the cycle with this last game and then move on. We all know they can but they don't want to, this is why so many people are angry. You all know the details as well as I at this point, I'm tired burned out on anger and personal issues; but I'm one person they won't listen to just me. If you want something done your going to have to get angrier, your going to have to get louder and your going to have to get them to pay attention. We made enough noise with the terrible Mass Effect 3 ending; I can see plenty of people on this forum have played it and I'm sure were involved in that mess...my question people, is can we do it again? For those of you on Next gen can you do it for your friends who aren't? Can we step up our game one more time? Someone already started a petition:

https://www.change.o...ration-consoles

I don't know how many have been started but I know of this one, it's a start but as I said it's not enough...we made alot of noise before; can we do it again?

[RZIBARA]

Stop being cheap and buy a next gen console, they arent even expensive. They have been out for 2 years now as well.

[bug_age_inquisition]

I think the OP is right in being upset. They should be given a free download of the PS4 game to compensate for their losses. It's not their fault Sony and Bioware are being corporate pigs.

[hotdogbsg]

Stop being cheap and buy a next gen console, they arent even expensive. They have been out for 2 years now as well.

 

I think the issue is that to get all DA:I gameplay content, last-gen players will have to buy a new console when realistically, most would have expected it to be made available on all platforms as the original game and first piece of DLC was.

[Darth Marlon]

yeah im pretty mad I still have a 360 was really looking forward to it last gen fans got screwed I wonder if they are trying to lose more fans.

[Robert Trevelyan]

yeah im pretty mad I still have a 360 was really looking forward to it last gen fans got screwed I wonder if they are trying to lose more fans.

 

 

I doubt they're trying to lose last gen fans. it's more that they are now outnumbered by current gen owners, who are increasingle angered and disappointed by hoew much supporting last gen systems dumbed down the game.

[ShadesX1]

Stop being cheap and buy a next gen console, they arent even expensive. They have been out for 2 years now as well.

I hope you have the money for everyone here then. If you read other posts you would know I do have a new gen console but I have last gen and my dragon age is on the PS3 as well, I don't have money to just go out and buy a new copy, other people here would have to buy a new console AND a new copy; it's absurd that fans are expected to do that for a game they already purchased if they want to continue to play the future DLC releases.

[prosthetic soul]

Man, can't believe I lost my virginity to Bioware.  I feel violated. 

[andy6915]

George W. Bioware doesn't care about last gen people.

[Realmzmaster]

Bioware/EA is managing expectations badly. It is not unreasonable for last gen console owners to expect that the dlc for the base game would continue on their systems.

That being said, PC and current gen (XBox1 and PS4) owners feel that in supporting that old hardware that their experience is being lessen (in terms of content and graphics) and that their hardware is not being used to a fuller capacity.

 

When Bioware/EA made the decision to support the old console hardware it may have been a correct decision at the time. Probably somewhere in development Bioware came to the realization that it was not going to work as well as Bioware thought. Plans had to  be changed. Content may have been removed or downgraded to fit the old hardware.

Since Bioware wanted the same content across all platforms certain content may have been removed from the base game that the PC and Current gen consoles would have no problem with.

 

The last gen consoles have had nothing but problems with the game. Not saying that PC and current gen did not have issues, but from what I can tell nowhere near the problems of last gen owners.

 

I questioned Bioware/EA's decision to support last gen consoles since there was no way a ten year old computer would be able to run the game adequately or period for that matter.

 

So Bioware/EA has made another business decision that has angered the last gen console owners. No more dlc for last gen consoles. Is it fair probably not, but a lot of business decisions are not fair.

As far as Bioware/EA screwing the last gen console owners that is not correct. Bioware is only responsible for what it has delivered. Did Bioware deliver the game on the last gen consoles as promised? Yes Bioware did. Bioware still is responsible for making sure that the base game works properly. Did Bioware deliver the dlc Jaws of Hakkon and other dlc to date for last gen consoles? Yes Bioware did.

 

Is Bioware/EA morally and/or legally responsible to provide future dlc for last gen consoles. The answer is no.  Bioware/EA is not bound to provide dlc for any platform. Is Bioware/EA legally and /or morally responsible to provide a XB1 or PS4 version of DAI to last gen owners? The answer is no. The last gen owners received what they paid for. Bioware/EA is legally bound to fix any problems with what was purchased.

 

Would it be a nice goodwill gesture if Bioware/EA did? Sure it would be.

 

Before anyone states that you are probably a PC, XB1 or PS4 owner I was not. My computer did not have the horsepower to run the game. Neither did my work computer. I spent the first four months after release playing on my daughter's laptop while she was at work or school.

My job finally upgraded my work laptop so I can play the game reasonably on that machine.

 

Eventually I will purchase a new system, but playing video games  is not my primary concern. I play games as a hobby. I buy computers for my vocation.

 

Everything here is my own opinion, YMMV

[TreeHuggerHannah]

@TreeHuggerHannah Sorry to hear about your health scare and having had to deal with (work related) minor health problems [not even comparable to yours] recently I really sympathised with you. I hope everything will be sorted soon so that you can start saving if not for a next gen console any extra treat that you may want to cheer yourself up.  

 

Thank you. Things have actually worked out quite well for me in the time since all that happened. I'm in good health again, my bills took awhile to pay off but are now fully paid, and I should able to afford a new console next month. 

[sim-ran]

I'm on last gen (360) and I don't feel in the least bit enraged by this news.

The game is already stupidly long and feels very self-contained.

I'll upgrade in a year when the improved next gen consoles come out and there is actually a significant library of games for them. And by then a next gen copy of DAI will cost less than a tenner...

[ForgottenWarrior]

The Xbox 360 and PS3 will shortly be phased out. It is only a matter of time, why not take this as a time to start thinking about getting a next-gen console or put some money down into a gaming PC? 
 
There will not be any new releases of games on the old gen consoles.

I don't have any problems with that. yeah, news on another new game that would only be released on a current gen platforms makes me a bit sad, but from there i at least can correct my plans regarding my platform of choice for that specific game. Even though i haven't seen a single real example of usage all those new possibilitys that nextgent offeres, i understand why devs wants to make games there only.

But what they did? That's just cheating. To expirience the most interesting part of DAI plot that will be in DLC (yes, im talking about Solas thing) i would have to buy a new game and a new system. When i bought game on PS3 i was okay with the technical limitations of that particular version (long loadings and crappy textures quality), i was just strongly sure that they would never abondon the support of those platforms in favor for another ones. I paid the same price as those on nextgen platforms after all!

Ans as i said - i don't see any real reson to do this. Other than the desire to make some more money at any cost, of course. What kind of DLC they can make on PS4 and not on PS3? A 3 times bigger grind locations and a sun shafts from every bough on level? Yeah, defienetly a nextgen expirience.

[raging_monkey]

I can respect that. At least you know the game isn't good enough to get too excited about.

Still a sleazy act on Bioware's part though. Or is it EA? I don't even know.

either way they are guilty does it really matter I already turned my copy into a ashtray