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[BansheeOwnage]

I really do wonder if Bioware is under pressure to deliver some phenomenal DLC to increase sales, and as a result they are choosing the most graphically-intense story options out of their bag o' ideas. I feel like if there weren't some specific motivation causing this shift, they would have released all DLC for everyone, especially if there will only be one or two more as it sounds like. Why else risk further negative publicity?

Excellent question. I too feel like something very specific is the motivation. We'll have to see what the new DLC has in store for (some of) us before we can really guess.

[10K]

People....if this is not proof enough to convince you of Bioware's contempt for their fans, then I guess nothing will.

 

My advice is for everyone to seriously consider whether you really want to give this company more of your money. Personally, I think it would be a total mistake and a waste. Head over to CD Projekt RED and see what incredible value you will get for your money there. 

The most sensible comment I've read in this thread. I see people are begging and pleading; are you serious!! BW doesn't care about you or how much you plead with them. If you don't like their practices, stop giving them money! simple as that. There's no need to implore them to change their mind, because they don't care. Holding your wallet is the only way you may get a response.

 

HOLD THE FU*KING LINE!!

[Akrabra]

People....if this is not proof enough to convince you of Bioware's contempt for their fans, then I guess nothing will.

 

My advice is for everyone to seriously consider whether you really want to give this company more of your money. Personally, I think it would be a total mistake and a waste. Head over to CD Projekt RED and see what incredible value you will get for your money there. 

And what about the people that do not like The Witcher series? Head over to CDRP and play what? Oh right they have no other games out. Well Cyberpunk will be out in 4 years or maybe more, not to worry. 

[Panda]

And what about the people that do not like The Witcher series? Head over to CDRP and play what? Oh right they have no other games out. Well Cyberpunk will be out in 4 years or maybe more, not to worry. 

 

Play any game that aren't made by people under EA? If EA is the problem here. I'm not quite sure if it's mostly on Bioware or not.

[Akrabra]

Play any game that aren't made by people under EA? If EA is the problem here. I'm not quite sure if it's mostly on Bioware or not.

Who knows what their problem is. It is like they were sent here to recruit people for CDRP. God forbid you can like more than one game in one genre, or just alot of games in general cross companies, publishers and formats. 

[dsl08002]

It was going sooner or later but im at a loss why they decided to change NOW in the end of DAI. why not go all the way. Sure at next game that would make sense but now. Doesnt make any sense

[10K]

It was going sooner or later but im at a loss why they decided to change NOW in the end of DAI. why not go all the way. Sure at next game that would make sense but now. Doesnt make any sense

It makes perfect sense, more money for them.

[SirMisterKitty]

Who knows what their problem is. It is like they were sent here to recruit people for CDRP. God forbid you can like more than one game in one genre, or just alot of games in general cross companies, publishers and formats. 

As much as I don't really care for the Witcher I'd buy (new) it just to spite BioWare/EA. CDRP seems like a company willing to please it's customers, so I'm happy to support them... until they get bloated and start distancing themselves from their fanbase like another company I know.

 

I'm not sure where I'm going to get my Dragon Age (or even Mass Effect) esque fix. I've always liked BioWare's RPGs, but I just can't justifying spending money on them. There is always buying used I supposed, thank goodness for that!

[Shechinah]

As much as I don't really care for the Witcher I'd buy (new) it just to spite BioWare/EA.

 

How would that spite them? Bioware and CD Projekt are on friendly terms with each other: the employees including the developers of both companies buy each other's products and both companies have expressed support and congratulation towards each other on social medias, interviews and articles.

[SirMisterKitty]

How would that spite them? Bioware and CD Projekt are on friendly terms with each other: the employees including the developers of both companies buy each other's products and both companies have expressed support and congratulation towards each other on social medias, interviews and articles.

Something I say as a joke.

But it would be money NOT (directly) going towards BioWare/EA. I don't find it the least bit offensive that employees spend their hard earned money on a company they like/enjoy their poducts, after all I did the same at one time. It's their money, their free to spend it how they like.

[Panda]

The most sensible comment I've read in this thread. I see people are begging and pleading; are you serious!! BW doesn't care about you or how much you plead with them. If you don't like their practices, stop giving them money! simple as that. There's no need to implore them to change their mind, because they don't care. Holding your wallet is the only way you may get a response.

 

HOLD THE FU*KING LINE!!

 

I guess the problem here is that no other game developer quite offers what Bioware offers at the moment. So no matter how they mistreat customers we keep coming back, since there is no replacement ^^; But buying their stuff used does help somewhat on "voting with your vallet", though I'd prefer if BW finally did realise how they are alienating playerbase and ruining their reputation within group that is loyal to them- so loyal that although they keep get screwed they still buy the product ^^; I think people are begging/pleading, since they'd rather Bioware to do that than abandon BW.. and games that they make and none else makes.

[10K]

I guess the problem here is that no other game developer quite offers what Bioware offers at the moment. So no matter how they mistreat customers we keep coming back, since there is no replacement ^^; But buying their stuff used does help somewhat on "voting with your vallet", though I'd prefer if BW finally did realise how they are alienating playerbase and ruining their reputation within group that is loyal to them- so loyal that although they keep get screwed they still buy the product ^^; I think people are begging/pleading, since they'd rather Bioware to do that than abandon BW.. and games that they make and none else makes.

Voting w/ your wallet by buying used is perfect if you need to experience their content. So I beg any of you who disagree with their practices, but enjoy their products to buy used.

[HuldraDancer]

Yeah I'm going back to buying used for sure after this. DAI was the first Bioware game I bought new since it was the first one I knew was coming ahead of time and it has not given me much confidence to buy another new product from them, even if I had enjoyed most of the other games I played from them. If I buy at all that is, but if I do it's going to be used purchases only from here on out.

[BansheeOwnage]

I guess the problem here is that no other game developer quite offers what Bioware offers at the moment. So no matter how they mistreat customers we keep coming back, since there is no replacement

This is a huge problem for me. Bioware-style RPGs are easily my single-favourite type of game, and gaming is my favourite hobby. I love the style of the games and what you can do in them, and unfortunately, no other developers make games quite the same. You can like other games, but this style is my favourite. Anyway, it's disheartening to only get a new game in this style every couple of years or less, which is why I'm so passionate about feedback for them when they come out. It wouldn't matter so much if I had a few games like this to play, but I only really have one at a time, with huge gaps in between. So of course I care, and of course I long for DLC and fixes for things. Of course I want it to be better and say how I think it would be.

 

Anyway, I'm just babbling, sorry.

[Domiel Angelus]

Dude, you need to give the witcher a chance. The branching story options and the vastness of the world blew my mind. It makes me feel the way origins did. DAI is an empty world filled with chores in comparison. The thing about the witcher is almost everything about it has a fun twist... Even basic bounty board quests can become full narratives with clever twists and hard choices.

I had my doubts, but I swear by the witcher now. Anyway, dragon age combat died the moment they scaled down the fights, nerfed the magic, and removed tactics. It's the witcher watered down.

Tactics and large scale fights were magical in origins. Bioware forgot that.

 

I've gotten to the point in TW3 where I've seen enough to say its nearly bored me to tears. (I've completed both putting the King/Queen on the throne for the 'Vikings' and helped Triss with her dealings in the City of 'We burn mages' so I'm probably about 1/3rd of the way through) There is such a thing as too much content; DA:I has too little but TW3 has way too much. Some times a short snatch and grab should stay a short snatch and grab, and sometimes I want to murder something that's supposed to be evil and not feel bad about it, I don't need every single monster bounty to have a backstory, especially considering almost all of them boil down to "Murder this thing, even though you should be finding a way to put it to rest peacefully." Most of the Wraiths (example below) could probably be dealt with by having them kill who turned them into a vengeful spirit in the first place. 

 

I thought I was getting a simple go murder this Wraith once and it was "This girl was murdered by her jilted lover and now you have to put her down" yet as far as I can see I never get to deal with the jerk that killed her. Don't open a door that you won't let me walk through with a quest like that; I wanted to lead her to him and let her murder his sorry arse. 

[Jaron Oberyn]

As we all know, Bioware has stated that the next line of DLC for Inquisition will only be next gen.

 

What pisses me off about this whole situation is this: Yes, the leaving of the old consoles for the new gen is something that will and is happening. But Bioware made the choice to release it for the ps3 and xbox 360. Therefore, people such as myself paid about the same amount of money that the new gen players paid in expectation of the same game. This alienation of the current players on old gen is terrible not only to the players, but its a terrible business practice. I can only pray that Bioware sucks it up and releases the dlc for the old gen as well. Then they can move on and never have to worry about last gen ever again.

 

Bioware, I beg of you to reconsider your stance on this matter. I don't care if we last gen players have to wait a year or more to receive it, I just want to finish the story and game that you promised us when you released it on our last gen consoles. Please don't go back on our trust. Just allow us to play the last dlc Bioware. As customers of your product and lover of your games, you should give us what is rightfully ours which is the game in its entirety dlc and all. 

Show me where they promised you on your games packaging or EULA that you will get to finish the entire DAI story, DLC and all, on your last gen platform. You are owed nothing.

[BansheeOwnage]

Show me where they promised you on your games packaging or EULA that you will get to finish the entire DAI story, DLC and all, on your last gen platform. You are owed nothing.

You're missing the point. It's a reasonable expectation. If they planned otherwise, they should have told us, and if they didn't plan it, that's just mean. I don't understand people like you, who think that businesses shouldn't have to be fair.

[Vroom Vroom]

Show me where they promised you on your games packaging or EULA that you will get to finish the entire DAI story, DLC and all, on your last gen platform. You are owed nothing.

As someone who own Dragon Age Inquisition on Xbox One: I disagree and -I mean this in a way that is respectful of your opinion- find it to be a ridiculous argument. If the tables were turned and only last gen got the DLC and current gen did not, but the packaging or the EULA didn't state that we got the DLC, would that be reasonable? Of course not. It was reasonable for anyone who purchased the last gen versions -as with the current gen versions- to expect to receive all of the DLC, especially after they got the first one.

 

If anything, they should have announced pre-release that last gen consoles would not receive all the DLC (of course they didn't because that would hurt their sales). I'm positive that more than a few people who bought the game on last gen consoles would have waited to purchase the game until they had a current gen console had they known that all of the DLC wouldn't have been available to them. 

 

I'd say that they are owed the exact same as those that have it on current gen consoles because they bought the exact same product and for the same price.  If anyone says no to this then I ask, what makes us better than them? We aren't better or more in the right, we all bought the exact same product. The only difference is the generation of console that we have it for.  

[Jaron Oberyn]

You're missing the point. It's a reasonable expectation. If they planned otherwise, they should have told us, and if they didn't plan it, that's just mean. I don't understand people like you, who think that businesses shouldn't have to be fair.

You have to be able to show how it is a reasonable expectation, and you have nothing. Nowhere in your purchase or EULA are you given the slightest hint you are entitled to DLC coverage. They aren't obligated to inform you which platforms optional DLC will be made available to. It's not about fair, or unfair - they made a decision to stop letting old hardware confine their creative integrity. What part of that do you not understand? They already publicly said content was cut in DAI due to last gen, they obviously aren't compromising on quality anymore. Get. Over. It.

[SirMisterKitty]

Show me where they promised you on your games packaging or EULA that you will get to finish the entire DAI story, DLC and all, on your last gen platform. You are owed nothing.

Totally fine. If that's how they want to do business. I and several others won't do business with them. If they refuse to treat ALL their damn customers equally, fine. They lose out on some money, and earn themselves a increasingly vile reputation.

They'll miff off some of us customers and we go off trash talking BioWare/EA to others, and do you think we'll have anything nice to say? Businesses/companies have risen and fallen by the spoken language, it's not unheard of.

 

The least they could have done was put a damn warning label on the case before release. I doubt they'd be getting this much flak for it, and I highly doubt you'd have people littering the forums with these legitimate complaints. Inequality is never a good thing, or perhaps we went about dealing with slavery and other such injustices the wrong way? I cannot fathom as to why any intelligent being would defend this tactic BioWare has just pulled. What's to stop them from pulling off another nasty tactic in the future? And the one affected just could be you. Bah! The insensitivity of some people is just... infuriating at times.

 

Yes... I'm rambling.

[Jaron Oberyn]

As someone who own Dragon Age Inquisition on Xbox One: I disagree and -I mean this in a way that is respectful of your opinion- find it to be a ridiculous argument. If the tables were turned and only last gen got the DLC and current gen did not, but the packaging or the EULA didn't state that we got the DLC, would that be reasonable? Of course not. It was reasonable for anyone who purchased the last gen versions -as with the current gen versions- to expect to receive all of the DLC, especially after they got the first one.

 

If anything, they should have announced pre-release that last gen consoles would not receive all the DLC (of course they didn't because that would hurt their sales). I'm positive that more than a few people who bought the game on last gen consoles would have waited to purchase the game until they had a current gen console had they known that all of the DLC wouldn't have been available to them. 

 

I'd say that they are owed the exact same as those that have it on current gen consoles because they bought the exact same product and for the same price.  If anyone says no to this then I ask, what makes us better than them? We aren't better or more in the right, we all bought the exact same product. The only difference is the generation of console that we have it for.  

What I'm stating isn't an opinion, it's a fact. Secondly, your argument doesn't even apply. It's based on the notion that this was done simply to spite last gen consoles, when in fact it was due to the reasons I outlined above. You're wanting them to justify your bad decision, to buy a game on a console that has been way past obsolete for 2 years. You purchased a license for a specific platform, to play the vanilla game. That is all you are entitled to, until such a time that EA decides for whatever reason to revoke your license which they can do, read the damn EULA.

[SirMisterKitty]

Read his most recent comment on the dlc discussion thread. His most recent comment essentially boils down to "If you are last-gen, you deserve to be punished. It doesn't matter your reason, it's your fault for not getting a last-gen console. Are you too poor? It's your fault for being poor? Had to spend money to treat an illness? It's your fault for getting sick, etc. 

 

In other words, typical elitist mindset thinking they are better than everyone else just because they have more money.

That's... depressing. People like that baffle me.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Totally fine. If that's how they want to do business. I and several others won't do business with them. If they refuse to treat ALL their damn customers equally, fine. They lose out on some money, and earn themselves a increasingly vile reputation.

They'll miff off some of us customers and we go off trash talking BioWare/EA to others, and do you think we'll have anything nice to say? Businesses/companies have risen and fallen by the spoken language, it's not unheard of.

 

The least they could have done was put a damn warning label on the case before release. I doubt they'd be getting this much flak for it, and I highly doubt you'd have people littering the forums with these legitimate complaints. Inequality is never a good thing, or perhaps we went about dealing with slavery and other such injustices the wrong way? I cannot fathom as to why any intelligent being would defend this tactic BioWare has just pulled. What's to stop them from pulling off another nasty tactic in the future? And the one affected just could be you. Bah! The insensitivity of some people is just... infuriating at times.

 

Yes... I'm rambling.

You are given equal treatment, you paid for the game just as we all did and got the exact same DAI each and every platform has access to  - plus or minus a few graphical features due to hardware restrictions. Your payment towards DAI did not cover DLCs, so you cannot argue unequal treatment for something you do not even own. It's not different from platform exclusive DLCs. A developer can choose to support whichever platform they want, you cannot dictate what a game gets released on. That you would compare this situation to slavery is disgraceful, and shows a severe lack of understanding on your part. If you think this will in any way negatively affect EA, you're only deluding yourself. This is a next gen game, and the developers chose to remove the shackles of 10 year old hardware in order to deliver on that experience. The arguments in this thread are driven by pure emotion, not logic.

 

 

 

Read his most recent comment on the dlc discussion thread. His most recent comment essentially boils down to "If you are last-gen, you deserve to be punished. It doesn't matter your reason, it's your fault for not getting a last-gen console. Are you too poor? It's your fault for being poor? Had to spend money to treat an illness? It's your fault for getting sick, etc. 

 

In other words, typical elitist mindset thinking they are better than everyone else just because they have more money.

 

That you have to resort to blatant lies in order to argue your point is pathetic. Do you work at MSNBC? Truly despicable.

[ashwind]

What I'm stating isn't an opinion, it's a fact. Secondly, your argument doesn't even apply. It's based on the notion that this was done simply to spite last gen consoles, when in fact it was due to the reasons I outlined above. You're wanting them to justify your bad decision, to buy a game on a console that has been way past obsolete for 2 years. You purchased a license for a specific platform, to play the vanilla game. That is all you are entitled to, until such a time that EA decides for whatever reason to revoke your license which they can do, read the damn EULA.

 

And you are supporting them terms unconditionally? I hope you never complain about games being capped at 30fps on PC and bad controls, bad optimization. You are not ENTITLE to any of that. You are only entitle to whatever garbage they ****** down your throat. Cheers.

[Vroom Vroom]

What I'm stating isn't an opinion, it's a fact. Secondly, your argument doesn't even apply. It's based on the notion that this was done simply to spite last gen consoles, when in fact it was due to the reasons I outlined above. You're wanting them to justify your bad decision, to buy a game on a console that has been way past obsolete for 2 years. You purchased a license for a specific platform, to play the vanilla game. That is all you are entitled to, until such a time that EA decides for whatever reason to revoke your license which they can do, read the damn EULA.

What I am stating is fact because it is unprecedented for the last gen version of a cross gen game to not get all the DLC. An unspoken expectation was formed and it was a reasonable one. What was done was misleading. Please read my posts more carefully, I mentioned in the first line that I have the game for Xbox One and not last gen, so I didn't make the "bad decision" to purchase it. I also never claimed it was done to spite last gen consoles, in fact I hinted towards my belief of it being a business decision with the line "If anything, they should have announced pre-release that last gen consoles would not receive all the DLC (of course they didn't because that would hurt their sales." 

Sales are always that bottom line and I don't blame them for trying to increase their profit margin, I blame them for how they went about it and how unfair they were to a portion of their consumers. No business is going to intentionally do something to anger their customers, at least if they want to stay in business. I find it ironic to be told to read something by someone who didn't read the first line of my last post correctly. For what it's worth, I believe them releasing the vanilla game on last gen was a mistake, but they already went with that, so they should stand by their dump (not the game, but decision) so to speak.