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[BansheeOwnage]

 

If it were not DAI, I would say that such a request is unfounded. Unfortunately, this is DAI. Bioware made clear that each DA will be its own "story" and come next DA, it will be some other story. Bioware plans to complete the story of the Inquisitor via story DLC. That is the problem because that basically says: You have to pay for 2 copies to play the conclusion of the story you bought earlier.

 

Does EA/Bioware owe them a copy? Strictly speaking NO. Should they consider giving them a free upgrade in good faith? I say Yes. Look at XBox One - They announced XBox One Backward Compatibility. Look at what Microsoft is advertising:

 

• Xbox One Backward Compatibility is available at no additional cost, so you don’t have to pay to play games you already own.
• Keep your game saves, game add-ons, achievements, and Gamerscore.
• Enjoy the advanced features of your Xbox One like Game DVR, Screenshots and Windows 10 streaming.
• Play multiplayer with your friends no matter which console they’re on.
• Xbox One Backward Compatibility works with disc-based and digital games.

 

Meanwhile in EA

- DAI is available at additional cost so that you can pay to play games you already own.

 

Then there is also EA Access (which I dont quite know what they offer but I heard tis something similar)

 

Let them trade in their PS3/360 CD and get a current gen game. They will then buy the DLC because they have incentive to buy a new console. Which means with these new consoles they can also buy ME:A next year. 

 

EA/Bioware on the other hand should seriously consider their request because good PR and future business. At worst it is cheap publicity for EA/Bioware.

 

Thanks for clearly presenting this. I've been bringing it up too. It shows that companies can do something reasonable. We're asking for no more than that. Not paying for a game you already bought. It's obviously more than possible, and not a ridiculous thing to ask for.

 

I've never had issues with exclusive DLCs myself as I am reassured (in official announcements) that they are to be released eventually, but released nonetheless.

It sucks having to wait, but even Bethesda shoved their PS3 DLCs out when they even stated, they weren't sure if they could.

Occasionally, something really will be exclusive and never be released for everyone, and that's what bugs me. I can wait, but never getting something because I chose the wrong console a few years ago, or the wrong retailer to buy the game? That's lame.

[Bootsykk]

In my opinion, EA should allow a $10 download purchase of NextGen DAI to those that bought and registered OldGen before July 6th.

What we deserve is a free nextgen DA:I for those of us that purchased and registered Oldgen before July 6th, but I'd be happy even with this. 

[dsl08002]

Thanks for clearly presenting this. I've been bringing it up too. It shows that companies can do something reasonable. We're asking for no more than that. Not paying for a game you already bought. It's obviously more than possible, and not a ridiculous thing to ask for.


Occasionally, something really will be exclusive and never be released for everyone, and that's what bugs me. I can wait, but never getting something because I chose the wrong console a few years ago, or the wrong retailer to buy the game? That's lame.

Ea would never ever let an oppurtunity slide if they have a chance to make money. So even if i want to be able to get a free copy of DAI considering i bought it on 360 i know that EA would never stand for it.

[SirMisterKitty]

Occasionally, something really will be exclusive and never be released for everyone, and that's what bugs me. I can wait, but never getting something because I chose the wrong console a few years ago, or the wrong retailer to buy the game? That's lame.

True. I can sympathize.

It's one of the main reasons, I find picking out a new console to be so painful at times.

[GithCheater]

Ea would never ever let an oppurtunity slide if they have a chance to make money. So even if i want to be able to get a free copy of DAI considering i bought it on 360 i know that EA would never stand for it.

But the EA CEO contends he "Puts Players First".  LOL

[Domiel Angelus]

Side note since people brought up Backwards Compatible: Microsoft is doing backwards compatibility for the Xbone with no extra charges,  Sony already posted that they would also be doing backwards compatibility for the PS4 but they're charging you to play the game even if you own it in a physical format (at this juncture at least). 

[SirMisterKitty]

Side note since people brought up Backwards Compatible: Microsoft is doing backwards compatibility for the Xbone with no extra charges,  Sony already posted that they would also be doing backwards compatibility for the PS4 but they're charging you to play the game even if you own it in a physical format (at this juncture at least). 

Well, what the heck SONY? 

[ashwind]

Side note since people brought up Backwards Compatible: Microsoft is doing backwards compatibility for the Xbone with no extra charges,  Sony already posted that they would also be doing backwards compatibility for the PS4 but they're charging you to play the game even if you own it in a physical format (at this juncture at least). 

 

Source please? It is reported that the hardware architecture of PS3 and PS4 is different enough to make this a very tough task for Sony. Also, there is Playstation Now which is a game streaming service and that you have to pay because different technology and business modal.

[SirMisterKitty]

 

Because it's totally unheard of to return Christmas gifts. Xbox One and PS4 are already behind 5 year old PCs. Xbox One has a whopping 1gb vram, while ps4 has 512mb. Your average gaphics card for the last couple of years has had 2gb vram. I'm not even going to bother getting into the other specs. The functionality of your PS3 is irrelevant, the hardware capabilities are. You can't honestly expect them to release "next gen" games and still support 10 year old hardware which wasn't even the greatest in it's prime years.

 

Because everyone and I mean EVERYONE looks a gift horse in the mouth, right? I don't believe in returning Christmas gifts, just because I don't happen to want it or like it. Now are you going crap all over individual beliefs? Traditions? Fortunately, I have that right.

Returning a gift a beloved family member had bought (unless it's seriously broken) its tandamount to an insult, in my opinion. What if it's the last gift I happen to get from that family memember? That the gift happens to be the last Christmas I/we spent with that particular family member? That gift would possess a significant sentimental value that you can't put a price tag on. What despicable person would suggest, basically trashing something like that? 

Regardless of all that, how will I or anyone else be able to return it without a receipt? Am I responsible because a family memember didn't pack the receipt in the same package as the gift?

 

It is relevant, since it was one the reason why I chose not to upgrade. I don't see why it isn't. If I have a piece of hardware that works quite fine and quite a few (major) companies were still supporting it, why the heck would I upgrade? What exactly is the motivation? Other than to throw money at something that will most likely be riddled with bugs for the first few months?

This isn't a matter of what/which console can out preform the other. Do not drag specs into this debate, because that is not what this is about. Nowhere did my post state my PS3 was better than a PS4. It's about making a damn informed decision between two products at the time. Whether to upgrade or not to, and history tell us that new console launches aren't exactly smooth sailing. 

Where is the logic in risking $400+ for a new console that may break, adding in cost of shipping it in to be fixed (if such is the case)? All that hassle, and what if it's permanantly shot? So... I'm out $400+ AND a new gen console? Because I bought at launch instead of waiting to see what others have reported in reviews?

In addition, I can expect them to "release 'next gen' games and still support 10 year old hardware" the very existence of PS3/360 DA:I is proof enough.

 

* It looks like Microsoft fortunately had a good refund/return policy, during launch but I see nothing really from SONY. So for anyone who bought a PS4 at launch (which happens to be the console of my choice this time around), they risked a lot of money buying on impulse rather than waiting.

[KBomb]

Because everyone and I mean EVERYONE looks a gift horse in the mouth, right? I don't believe in returning Christmas gifts, just because I don't happen to want it or like it. Now are you going crap all over individual beliefs? Traditions? Fortunately, I have that right.
Returning a gift a beloved family member had bought (unless it's seriously broken) its tandamount to an insult, in my opinion. What if it's the last gift I happen to get from that family memember? That the gift happens to be the last Christmas I/we spent with that particular family member? That gift would possess a significant sentimental value that you can't put a price tag on. What despicable person would suggest, basically trashing something like that?
Regardless of all that, how will I or anyone else be able to return it without a receipt? Am I responsible because a family memember didn't pack the receipt in the same package as the gift?

It is relevant, since it was one the reason why I chose not to upgrade. I don't see why it isn't. If I have a piece of hardware that works quite fine and quite a few (major) companies were still supporting it, why the heck would I upgrade? What exactly is the motivation? Other than to throw money at something that will most likely be riddled with bugs for the first few months?
This isn't a matter of what/which console can out preform the other. Do not drag specs into this debate, because that is not what this is about. Nowhere did my post state my PS3 was better than a PS4. It's about making a damn informed decision between two products at the time. Whether to upgrade or not to, and history tell us that new console launches aren't exactly smooth sailing.
Where is the logic in risking $400+ for a new console that may break, adding in cost of shipping it in to be fixed (if such is the case)? All that hassle, and what if it's permanantly shot? So... I'm out $400+ AND a new gen console? Because I bought at launch instead of waiting to see what others have reported in reviews?
In addition, I can expect them to "release 'next gen' games and still support 10 year old hardware" the very existence of PS3/360 DA:I is proof enough.

* It looks like Microsoft fortunately had a good refund/return policy, during launch but I see nothing really from SONY. So for anyone who bought a PS4 at launch (which happens to be the console of my choice this time around), they risked a lot of money buying on impulse rather than waiting.

I'll not return a gift either. That is bad taste. If something is broken or ill-fitted, I will exchange the item for the exact thing, even if I don't like it. If someone takes the time, effort and money to purchase something for me, I am grateful and find something useful to do with it.

[HuldraDancer]

Well dang now I feel kind of bad for returning gifts that I get for Christmas or other occasions. I don't do it too often but still. Heck I even include receipt in most presents I give in case the person already has what I got them or doesn't like it or needs to return it for one reason or another. 

[KBomb]

Well dang now I feel kind of bad for returning gifts that I get for Christmas or other occasions. I don't do it too often but still. Heck I even include receipt in most presents I give in case the person already has what I got them or doesn't like it or needs to return it for one reason or another.

Aww don't feel bad. It's a preference thing. I have a friend who was tired of getting bad gifts, so now she just asks for money.

I feel tempted sometime, not going to lie. Whenever someone gives me something animal print or gold jewelry I have that moment of panic where I see Ralphie wearing the pink bunny suit. (A christmas story) Then I feel bad and remember that they picked it out and spent money on it just for me when they didn't need to. I am just a sap.

[BansheeOwnage]

Ea would never ever let an oppurtunity slide if they have a chance to make money. So even if i want to be able to get a free copy of DAI considering i bought it on 360 i know that EA would never stand for it.

I'm not disagreeing with you per se, but if Microsoft is doing it, it's not totally inconceivable that EA might... someday, maybe. Hopefully

 

Because everyone and I mean EVERYONE looks a gift horse in the mouth, right? I don't believe in returning Christmas gifts, just because I don't happen to want it or like it. Now are you going crap all over individual beliefs? Traditions? Fortunately, I have that right.

Returning a gift a beloved family member had bought (unless it's seriously broken) its tandamount to an insult, in my opinion. What if it's the last gift I happen to get from that family memember? That the gift happens to be the last Christmas I/we spent with that particular family member? That gift would possess a significant sentimental value that you can't put a price tag on. What despicable person would suggest, basically trashing something like that? 

Regardless of all that, how will I or anyone else be able to return it without a receipt? Am I responsible because a family memember didn't pack the receipt in the same package as the gift?

I'll not return a gift either. That is bad taste. If something is broken or ill-fitted, I will exchange the item for the exact thing, even if I don't like it. If someone takes the time, effort and money to purchase something for me, I am grateful and find something useful to do with it.

I don't like to return gifts either, for all the reasons above. But there doesn't seem to be any point convincing a certain person of that, because they don't appear to feel normal things like sentimentality or guilt

[SirMisterKitty]

Well dang now I feel kind of bad for returning gifts that I get for Christmas or other occasions. I don't do it too often but still. Heck I even include receipt in most presents I give in case the person already has what I got them or doesn't like it or needs to return it for one reason or another. 

Eh, it's a preference thing as KBomb said.

Returning gifts is just something you don't do in my family (unless it's broken or ill-fitted, such as clothes size). Of course we also have traditions to preempt inappropriate gifts, it's a process we go through every year.

Some family members are just too hard to purchase for.

 

As for receipts, we (my family, not saying it's codified in human law or anything) see it as... well, if you can see the price of your gift it's considered tacky or in poor taste.

Not saying it is or you are! Just that's what my family believes. I personally think it's appropriate depending on the person and the type of relationship you have with that person.

 

Off-topic a bit, my apologizes.

BOO! Bad business practices, boo!

[Koneko Koji]

At the time DA:I was released, my 360 died and a member of my family bought me a brand new one as an Christmas / Birthday present - which was a massive deal for me because neither I or my family member really have enough money to drop £200 - £300 on a console.

They asked me if I wanted the Xbone or 360, and I chose 360 because I already have a lot of games for it - and because Inquisition was available to play.

 

Had I realised that EA / Bioware were then going to shaft their customers, I might have made a different decision - it's going to take me at least 10 - 12 months of saving to get a next gen console, and I can tell you now - finished game DLC or not, I will not be re-buying Inquisition.

[Domiel Angelus]

Source please? It is reported that the hardware architecture of PS3 and PS4 is different enough to make this a very tough task for Sony. Also, there is Playstation Now which is a game streaming service and that you have to pay because different technology and business modal.

 

http://www.forbes.co...-model-at-last/

 

They're adding PS3 games to Playstation Now, and not making any concessions for games you already own. Considering the sheer amount of games that have inflicted DRM to play them, as well as ones you have to register through Sony for 'special perks' they should have no problem knowing which game you already own and shouldn't be charged for. 

 

Edit: I mainly bring this up because people are wishing to be compensated for having to buy the game a second time to play it on the new gen console if they wish to play the same game on their new system. From what I know the 360 version of DA:I is most likely going to be on the bc list for Xbone, I make this speculation because they've already revealed two of the Mass Effect titles are going on that list as it is. If this is the case then its only the PS3 -> PS4 players that are being boned in the upgrade process. 

 

I adopted the Xbox One when it came out so I wasn't one of the people affected by the change-over in any way beyond the game being not nearly as fun as it was supposed to be because they split hairs on the various ports to allow for A.) the FB3 engine and B.) the old consoles.

[AlanC9]

Where is the logic in risking $400+ for a new console that may break, adding in cost of shipping it in to be fixed (if such is the case)? All that hassle, and what if it's permanantly shot? So... I'm out $400+ AND a new gen console? Because I bought at launch instead of waiting to see what others have reported in reviews?

Do new consoles actually fail often enough for this to be a realistic concern? I've never heard of a PC player worrying about this when it's upgrade time, unless he's buying used parts from EBay or some such.

[BansheeOwnage]

Do new consoles actually fail often enough for this to be a realistic concern? I've never heard of a PC player worrying about this when it's upgrade time, unless he's buying used parts from EBay or some such.

Well, luckily my retailer had a warranty (yeah, you have to pay for that too, but it wasn't much) that allows me to return my Xbox One and get a new one within a year if I have any problems, no questions asked.

[KBomb]

Well, luckily my retailer had a warranty (yeah, you have to pay for that too, but it wasn't much) that allows me to return my Xbox One and get a new one within a year if I have any problems, no questions asked.

It's worth mentioning that a lot of people don't buy new gen consoles until its accumulated a decent library of games worth playing. Some people don't want to buy a new console that only has one or two games that interests them. It's a large investment for some people. It's also a kick in the junk to have to buy a game twice.

If I had to purchase a game for one console only for them to pull dlc from it after announcing more to come and them have to buy it again to experience the rest of the story? ***** would be had. I'd come to wreck with my verbal whip.

[SirMisterKitty]

Do new consoles actually fail often enough for this to be a realistic concern? I've never heard of a PC player worrying about this when it's upgrade time, unless he's buying used parts from EBay or some such.

Not necessarily referring to PC. I myself never had issues when purchasing a new computer or laptop.

However, Xbox & PS were the ones that got a notorious reputation for shaky launches. I mean the whole Xbox 360 debacle is enough to stain one's memory, PS3 included for some. I've had to replace a 360 at least once, I've known other people having to repurchase 5x (and this was well after launch).

[SirMisterKitty]

It's worth mentioning that a lot of people don't buy new gen consoles until its accumulated a decent library of games worth playing. Some people don't want to buy a new console that only has one or two games that interests them. It's a large investment for some people. It's also a kick in the junk to have to buy a game twice.

If I had to purchase a game for one console only for them to pull dlc from it after announcing more to come and them have to buy it again to experience the rest of the story? ***** would be had. I'd come to wreck with my verbal whip.

This, exactly!
I think there are only two games for PS4 I really want, and one isn't even out I believe, so- a whopping one games that interests me, isn't exactly worth $400+ purchase. Er, but that's just me.

[BansheeOwnage]

It's worth mentioning that a lot of people don't buy new gen consoles until its accumulated a decent library of games worth playing. Some people don't want to buy a new console that only has one or two games that interests them. It's a large investment for some people. It's also a kick in the junk to have to buy a game twice.

If I had to purchase a game for one console only for them to pull dlc from it after announcing more to come and them have to buy it again to experience the rest of the story? ***** would be had. I'd come to wreck with my verbal whip.

I hope I didn't come across as sounding like buying one is no big deal. It is for a lot of people. I agree with all of that.

 

This, exactly!
I think there are only two games for PS4 I really want, and one isn't even out I believe, so- a whopping one games that interests me, isn't exactly worth $400+ purchase. Er, but that's just me.

Personally, I'm fairly lucky financially (for which I thank my parents), so it wasn't as much of a hard decision as a lot of people have to make. But even then, I'm not going to buy it for no reason, because $400 is still a lot of money, so I waited a year so I could at least have three games to play on it (Battlefield 4, The Master Chief Collection, and DA:I) So I totally understand people who, even if they could afford a new console, aren't going to buy one just so they can play one or two DLCs for one game they already bought. That's ridiculous.

[KBomb]

I hope I didn't come across as sounding like buying one is no big deal. It is for a lot of people. I agree with all of that.

Personally, I'm fairly lucky financially (for which I thank my parents), so it wasn't as much of a hard decision as a lot of people have to make. But even then, I'm not going to buy it for no reason, because $400 is still a lot of money, so I waited a year so I could at least have three games to play on it (Battlefield 4, The Master Chief Collection, and DA:I) So I totally understand people who, even if they could afford a new console, aren't going to buy one just so they can play one or two DLCs for one game they already bought. That's ridiculous.

Oh no. I didn't think you came off like that at all! I was just giving a flip side to your view--which I agree with.

[BansheeOwnage]

Oh no. I didn't think you came off like that at all! I was just giving a flip side to your view--which I agree with.

Ah, that's good to hear, thanks!

[SirMisterKitty]

I hope I didn't come across as sounding like buying one is no big deal. It is for a lot of people. I agree with all of that.

 

Personally, I'm fairly lucky financially (for which I thank my parents), so it wasn't as much of a hard decision as a lot of people have to make. But even then, I'm not going to buy it for no reason, because $400 is still a lot of money, so I waited a year so I could at least have three games to play on it (Battlefield 4, The Master Chief Collection, and DA:I) So I totally understand people who, even if they could afford a new console, aren't going to buy one just so they can play one or two DLCs for one game they already bought. That's ridiculous.

I'm not as bad off as some folks, but I sure can't afford a new console either. Priorities...

And I'm just selective on what games I play these days $60+ a pop for a new game is too much to spend, and for a game I'll only really play only once, as it is with most shooters (for me), I like 'em, just not all the time if you know what I mean (I can't/don't like to play online, so after I've beaten the campaign, that's about it). RPGs are about the only games I got for, since I can replay them and whatnot, but those (seemingly) come out once in a blue moon it (ones that I enjoy anyways- yea I'm picky).

 

So far Bloodborne is the only game on PS4 I really would like to try.