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[Thandal N'Lyman]

I understand your point.  I simply don't accept it as a valid argument.  No manufacturer gives lifetime upgrades of their product, and no purchaser should think they're entitled to any more than what was described at the time of purchase. 

 

Although can I see why you think there's PR value in a "replacement" copy of the game, I can also see that it would be pretty hard to justify based on the actual sales figures.  Every person who took advantage of that offer would have to purchase, on average, four-or-more DLC (or another full-price game) that they would NOT have purchased otherwise, before it's a break-even.  That's a hard pitch to make.

[TreeHuggerHannah]

And you paid for the base product, which you recieved. They're not entitled to make any further products available to you.

 

No, but they really should have disclosed the possible lack of add-on availability.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

The elitism in his thread is just disgusting. You people are gloating that a number of people are getting screwed over just so you get stuff.

Would you still feel he same if say the dlc was PC only and people gloated about not being held back by consoles?

 

Yes.  We do that all the time. 

 

And no one is "getting screwed".  Some just can't keep up.

 

In other words, the OP and the other supporters of the petition are learning that there is really very little sympathy for their motion.

[BansheeOwnage]

How about asking Microsoft to add DAI to the XBOX 360 to XBOX ONE compatibility list

They should do that with all cross-gen games. I don't know why this isn't standard. Well, I do. Money. But still.

 

The elitism in his thread is just disgusting. You people are gloating that a number of people are getting screwed over just so you get stuff.

Would you still feel he same if say the dlc was PC only and people gloated about not being held back by consoles?

The elitism is indeed disgusting. I have an Xbox One, by the way, and this is just wrong. It would have been fine if DA:I was never released on old consoles. But it was, and dropping support halfway through DLC development is wrong. Period.

[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

Yes. We do that all the time.

And no one is "getting screwed". Some just can't keep up.

I consider bein forced to spend money on a new console, new version of inquisition, and money to the dlc to be getting screwed over

Before today, would you ever think last gen would ever lose access to dlc? Why can't they get item packs or mp dlc?

The release of joh kind of implied that last gen users would have also received the same content as next gen users? Wouldn't you be pissed if he dlc was PC exclusive and you had to be a new console and game just to buy he dlc?

[duckley]

No thanks

Writing is on the wall. Time to save up.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

I consider bein forced to spend money on a new console, new version of inquisition, and money to the dlc to be getting screwed over

Before today, would you ever think last gen would ever lose access to dlc? Why can't they get item packs or mp dlc?

The release of joh kind of implied that last gen users would have also received the same content as next gen users? Wouldn't you be pissed if he dlc was PC exclusive and you had to be a new console and game just to buy he dlc?

 

No one is "bein forced" to spend any money at all.

And no one is "losing access" to anything anyone paid for. 

 

Some are simply not getting access to new stuff.  Stuff that hasn't yet been paid for.

 

Too bad.  So sad.

End. Of. Story.

[BansheeOwnage]

Of course oldgen players are being screwed over. Stop hiding behind silly legal loopholes and the like. Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it's not screwing someone over. Legality and morality are not at all the same. That's why legality is updated frequently. It's unlikely, but practices like this may eventually be illegal. But that's academic. Being legal is irrelevant to being acceptable morally.

[AresKeith]

 Wouldn't you be pissed if he dlc was PC exclusive and you had to be a new console and game just to buy he dlc?

 

Still isn't really a strong comparison 

[Scofield]

I believe at some point, maybe/probably sooner rather than later, i will have to ignore/block/rage/cry/weep then rage again at anything posted from change.org

 

I need to add head thumping of keyboard to that list

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Of course oldgen players are being screwed over. Stop hiding behind silly legal loopholes and the like. Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it's not screwing someone over. Legality and morality are not at all the same. That's why legality is updated frequently. It's unlikely, but practices like this may eventually be illegal. But that's academic. Being legal is irrelevant to being acceptable morally.

 

Morally?  Seriously?  It's somehow risen to the level of a moral  argument that one must provide unending support for an obsolete environment simply because one offered a product for it at one time?  Puh-leeze.

 

Sigrun:  "How does it feel, Mark Darrah, to know that because I bought your original PS3 version of the game you'll have to support that crippled one... for-EVER!"

[GithCheater]

I would be satisfied with just not having to purchase the game a second time, to be honest.

In my opinion, EA should allow a $10 download purchase of NextGen DAI to those that bought and registered OldGen before July 6th.

[BansheeOwnage]

Morally?  Seriously?  It's somehow risen to the level of a moral  argument that one must provide unending support for an obsolete environment simply because one offered a product for it at one time?  Puh-leeze.

 

Sigrun:  "How does it feel, Mark Darrah, to know that because I bought your original PS3 version of the game you'll have to support that crippled one... for-EVER!"

Yes, it's absolutely morally wrong. The degree is arguable, but I will never said this is okay. What other word would you use for "whether something is right or wrong"? Morality is appropriately used here. It's my opinion. You're wrong, and this is wrong.

 

The Illusive Man: Nothing you say will ever convince me otherwise.

[andy6915]

Not really a strong comparison....

Yeah it is. PC is always stronger than console, consoles can never keep up. How would it be different for them to say:

"we're releasing story centric DLC for the PC version only. The PS4 and XB1 don't have the technical capability or power to run the DLC, so they don't get it."

Looks like the exact same excuse to me.

[AresKeith]

Yeah it is. PC is always stronger than console, consoles can never keep up. How would it be different for them to say:

"we're releasing story centric DLC for the PC version only. The PS4 and XB1 don't have the technical capability or power to run the DLC, so they don't get it."

Looks like the exact same excuse to me.

 

Except that PS3 & 360 has already hit their limit and the PS4 & Xbone are still brand new and being broken in by devs

 

If they were already at the end of their cycle it would be same but it's not 

[andy6915]

Morally? Seriously? It's somehow risen to the level of a moral argument that one must provide unending support for an obsolete environment simply because one offered a product for it at one time? Puh-leeze.

Sigrun: "How does it feel, Mark Darrah, to know that because I bought your original PS3 version of the game you'll have to support that crippled one... for-EVER!"

Except they said the last gen versions would have all the same content and support as all other versions, in every interview and pre-release info we got. That's how they got people to consider the gen versions worth buying. But nope, soon as last gen sales drop, SUDDENLY they decide to change that stance. They should be sued for false advertising, because they in fact did exactly that. If it ended up being difficult to stick to their promises... That's their damned problem to fix, not mine.

[Faded]

Sign it.  It worked for Yakuza 5 coming to America.  Let Bioware know that we do care about DLC being available on last gen systems.  

[andy6915]

Except that PS3 & 360 has already hit their limit and the PS4 & Xbone are still brand new and being broken in by devs

If they were already at the end of their cycle it would be same but it's not

Wrong. This gen is different from last gens, the console architecture is as simple and close to PC as they can get. This isn't like last ones where it takes years to get the most out if a console. The graphical ability they're outputting? It's already as good as it's going to get, they're already maxed out.

[AresKeith]

Wrong. This gen is different from last gens, the console architecture is as simple and close to PC as they can get. This isn't like last ones where it takes years to get the most out if a console. The graphical ability they're outputting? It's already as good as it's going to get, they're already maxed out.

 

That is false and you know it, it wasn't maxed and the next gen consoles hasn't even been pushed to it's maxed yet

[andy6915]

That is false and you know it, it wasn't maxed and the next gen consoles hasn't even been pushed to it's maxed yet

No, you're saying false things. Do some actual research before ASSUMING you know what you're talking about.

[Dabrikishaw]

I have to say, after watching folks sign a petition to get Bloodbounre on the PC the idea of petitions accomplishing anything lost it's value.

 

I'm a PS3 player and I'm just as befuddled as the rest of you but this a waste of your time. I've decided not to bother re-buying Inquisition even after I upgrade to PS4 because it's not worth it just for more DLC. EAWare already made their bed when they decided to try and hang on to last gen gamers because they were afraid of the possible failure of current gen and we have to lie in it now that they dropped support of us. Sometimes you have to admit when you need to cut losses.

[wtfman99]

I love owning a PC...

[lastpatriot]

Just a wild guess here but at some point, ya'll had to realize that with Frostbite out, most manufacturers would eventually stop supporting older gen consoles.  It's kinda the way with tech...

 

On a side note, my PC is about 4 years old now (paid around $520 US) and it works great for DA:I.  PC's are just so easy to upgrade as needed.

[AresKeith]

No, you're saying false things. Do some actual research before ASSUMING you know what you're talking about.

 

And where's your source about it already being maxed out?