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[Wargrim]

 

I haven't paid for future games.

 

I paid full price for DAI.

 

That makes a big difference to me.

Neither have I. I do not even Pre-Order, unless it is a gift to me from another.

 

But I bare in mind that eventually my PC rig will not be able to run a game 10 maybe even 5 or less years down the line. 

So I budget my money, I buy new and better parts yearly if available, I play games. 

I anticipate the future, especially knowing better machines are out along with higher end games such as DA:I.

 

Supporting Old-Gen Consoles was a courtesy. 

[DragonAgeLegend]

Please no, this is ridiculous.

[Angry_Elcor]

I am flabbergasted that this is real, and yet I also find it unsurprising. I call this dual paradoxical emotional state "BSNal," as in, "I am feeling particularly BSNal, at the moment."

[NextGenCowboy]

Just a wild guess here but at some point, ya'll had to realize that with Frostbite out, most manufacturers would eventually stop supporting older gen consoles.  It's kinda the way with tech...

 

On a side note, my PC is about 4 years old now (paid around $520 US) and it works great for DA:I.  PC's are just so easy to upgrade as needed.

 

Most people are aware of that. Many of us didn't think the game would get a last-gen release. Many people's issue is, if they had to cut all of this out, and can't/won't continue to support it, then why do it now, 8 months into the game's lifespan? Why not do it prior to the game's release, during that year they were trimming everything down? 

 

In terms of the computer comparison. A closer analogy would be if you bought a game, your met minimum specs, and then the DLC comes out and requires an extra 4 gigs of ram and more space than your HDD currently has on it. (not the best comparison nowadays, but you get my point).

 

Edit: That said. I agree with the idea that a petition is a waste of time.

[chrstnmonks]

Support for old gen  was bound to be cut off  sooner or later. Might as well happen now. It makes me really glad I play on pc. This petition is a waste of time. You are better off to cut yur losses and move on.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Where's the petition to keep it unbound by 10 year old toasters? I'll sign that.

[Antmarch456]

I am going to sign this petition

*Grabs popcorn*

[GithCheater]

Providing no explanation for dropping Last Gen support before the DLC cycle is completed is unfathomable.

 

Last Gen customers had a reasonable expectation that DAI would be fully supported for all future DLC, and should not be expected to rebuy DAI to play the newest DLC.  

 

At the very least, EA should offer last gen customers (that bought the game before before this shock announcement) to purchase Next Gen DAI for $10 given that the Next Gen DAI price was originally $10 higher on the Nov 18th release date.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Obviously there's something in the DLC that couldn't be removed for last gen consoles. ie. last gen can't handle the necssary amount of shaders to incorporate scars, thus the removal. Stop complaining about their inability to cater to a piece of hardware that is a little over 10 years old.

[Sanunes]

Obviously there's something in the DLC that couldn't be removed for last gen consoles. ie. last gen can't handle the necssary amount of shaders to incorporate scars, thus the removal. Stop complaining about their inability to cater to a piece of hardware that is a little over 10 years old.

 

That could be one reason, but there might be one other as well. It could be not enough people buy the DLC on the older consoles to make it worthwhile to continue.  I am pretty sure if not enough DLC was selling on the PC/XB1/PS4 combined they wouldn't release any more on those platforms either.

[GreatBlueHeron]

Love all the EA supporters. Hilarious. If the next dlc to come out was xbox one exclusive (not timed, completely exclusive), there would be much raging and gnashing of the teeth on this forum. There was already whining about joh timed exclusivity from some of the people now saying "no dlc for old gen? lolololol" and this is a much bigger issue than timed exclusivity. You don't care because it doesn't affect you. But, the culture of EA has already taken hold of bioware. You'll be dealing with that **** down the road whether you care about last gen gamers or not. Something will ****** you off...only a matter of time. The very least you can do is support us getting a free upgrade. If you don't, that's fine, but don't expect support when EA inevitably pisses you off.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Why should you be entitled to a free upgrade? They're totally different consoles. Why should Bioware be obligated to hand you a free version on a next gen console because you chose to buy it on an older one? Again, you are not entitled to DLC coverage. You bought the vanilla game, you play the vanilla game. This entitlement culture is beginning to bore me.

[AresKeith]

Why should you be entitled to a free upgrade? They're totally different consoles. Why should Bioware be obligated to hand you a free version on a next gen console because you chose to buy it on an older one? Again, you are not entitled to DLC coverage. You bought the vanilla game, you play the vanilla game. This entitlement culture is beginning to bore me.

 

I kinda agree that EA should allow them to trade in their old game for a new one

[GreatBlueHeron]

Why should you be entitled to a free upgrade? They're totally different consoles. Why should Bioware be obligated to hand you a free version on a next gen console because you chose to buy it on an older one? Again, you are not entitled to DLC coverage. You bought the vanilla game, you play the vanilla game. This entitlement culture is beginning to bore me.

They don't have to give me anything, and I don't have to give them any more money. If they actually care about customer retention, they'll throw us a bone. I bought this game after some dlc had been released. I and many others had a reasonable expectation that more dlc would be released for ps3 and xbox 360. What we are doing is voicing complaints so that bioware and ea know why their sales will go down. I'm not forking over another 60 bucks for the opportunity to play a 15 dollar dlc. The people being entitled are those who were and are still whining that the last gen is the reason why inquisition isn't that great of a game. Get over yourselves and stop being so entitled to the game you think you deserve. See how that works, whiner?

[BillyK]

Isn't there only like 1 DLC left anyway? 2 tops? I didn't see the point of them doing this unless they're going to add in tons of stuff to the base game that was cut out from development. Petitions do nothing but make us feel better and it's not like this effects me so im not campaigning for it to stay on last gen, I just don't think its worth alienating and angering a bunch of customers for 1 or 2 little story episodes when we're at this point in the games life. It's closing in on 1 year old in a few months, i would be very surprised if they did something amazing and radical with it at this point, and i honestly think they're going to have to if they want to justify doing this. If we just get the same old stuff, regardless of how much story it has, im gonna stand by my opinion that this was turbulent, trust breaking and a bad move. It's like cutting out the epilogue of a book and telling people you can only read the rest if you buy a super flashy £400 kindle. 

 

By all means, release a game on future relevant hardware, just don't release it on current systems then cut it off and deny people the countless loose ends that have been left trailing in the wind (spoilers >weisshaupt, Hawke/survivor, solas, razikale, darkspawn, the other priests of the old gods)  that not even JoH addressed. Maybe none of them will be dealt with. If rumors are to be believed, the next and final dlc will be dealing with the Qunari, whose presence in the base game is extremely slight and is one of the more trivial loose ends but an ending is still important closure. 

 

If they release something mind blowing and technologically progressive, i will be more than pleased to be proven wrong, im just not seeing anything to contradict how i feel. 

[Panda]

I have the feeling that everyone saying last gen players should just move on are playing on new consoles. I wonder how they would feel if they were being denied content? 

 

Sadly it's lack of empathy, also form of classism and elitism that is problem of these one's. I guess they just can't help it.

[Panda]

Why should you be entitled to a free upgrade? They're totally different consoles. Why should Bioware be obligated to hand you a free version on a next gen console because you chose to buy it on an older one? Again, you are not entitled to DLC coverage. You bought the vanilla game, you play the vanilla game. This entitlement culture is beginning to bore me.

 

Pfft. I'd say that old gen folks are pretty much least entitled people in these forums. They think they are entitled more to product than old gen players, although they paid same amount. Like newer platforms would give them higher position in hierarchy.

[Ski Mask Wei]

I feel you flowers but if you want to do something that matters don't give Biowack any more of your money if you can help it and if you must buy get it used.  If I get DA:I again, or ME:A, or DA4 I'm buying them used.  And if there's a way to get DLC used I'm doing that too.  

 

If enough of us does this it hurts their pockets and that's all they give a f*ck about anyway.  

[CronoDragoon]

When the last of us remastered came out, you could trade in your ps3 version and get it for $25. Final Fantasy XIV players could upgrade to the PS4 digital version from PS3 for $10 (note, most revenue comes from the subs anyway for this one). So, there is precedent for discounted upgrades. Certainly not free, since it isn't the same product, but discounted (heavily).

That's really the best chance for a compromise here. Its far too late for them to change their minds about actually coming out with it on old Gen.

[Jaron Oberyn]

They don't have to give me anything, and I don't have to give them any more money. If they actually care about customer retention, they'll throw us a bone. I bought this game after some dlc had been released. I and many others had a reasonable expectation that more dlc would be released for ps3 and xbox 360. What we are doing is voicing complaints so that bioware and ea know why their sales will go down. I'm not forking over another 60 bucks for the opportunity to play a 15 dollar dlc. The people being entitled are those who were and are still whining that the last gen is the reason why inquisition isn't that great of a game. Get over yourselves and stop being so entitled to the game you think you deserve. See how that works, whiner?

See the thing is, it's a fact that consoles namely last gen hinder PC superiority. You can't deny that, PC has superior hardware and were it not for the limitations of consoles we would have much better looking games. Do I honestly care? Not really, but that is more of a legitimate argument than your entitlement complex expecting Bioware to finance your poor decision making. I think you're overestimating the amount of people who purchased it on last gen. Obviously any potential lack of sales is negligible given they are going through with this.

[Madrict]

Sorry, but I think it is good they cut off last gen.

 

They need to focus their dev resources on the current gen. Sad, but necessary....start saving for a current gen console...they aren't that expensive.

 

If they can just focus on current gen, the quality will be better

[Panda]

See the thing is, it's a fact that consoles namely last gen hinder PC superiority. You can't deny that, PC has superior hardware and were it not for the limitations of consoles we would have much better looking games. Do I honestly care? Not really, but that is more of a legitimate argument than your entitlement complex expecting Bioware to finance your poor decision making. I think you're overestimating the amount of people who purchased it on last gen. Obviously any potential lack of sales is negligible given they are going through with this.

 

Gaming PC's also cost crazy amount of money. I just got from mail new PC to replace my old one. It's much more powerful than what I got now. But does it run DAI? Not even in mininum requirements. My sister's gaming PC doesn't run it either nor my friends couple years old gaming laptop. It's crazily demanding game for PC what to me makes it more suitable on affordable consoles.

 

Gaming in general shouldn't be some elitist hobby where you need 1000 €+ hardware to be order to play games that you need also to buy in top of that. If it were amount of players would drop quite much. Cause not every gamer in the world is well-off.

 

I'd actually like to see gaming companies starting to develop games so that normal computers can run them. Or even budget gaming computer scan run them. Or then drop PC's completely, because they have most problems running the games anyway. Like with DAI, there were so many PC complains about everything and problems with graphic cards and hardware and software and Bioware had to do tons of patches for them (they did none for old gen for comparison, no wonder it's not working well). It would be so much easier just to focus on consoles, that are purely meant for playing games and that don't have so much differences in hardware and software -> less problems. Not saying that they should actually drop PC people, but just saying that it would make making games more easier than dropping old gen.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Gaming PC's also cost crazy amount of money. I just got from mail new PC to replace my old one. It's much more powerful than what I got now. But does it run DAI? Not even in mininum requirements. My sister's gaming PC doesn't run it either nor my friends couple years old gaming laptop. It's crazily demanding game for PC what to me makes it more suitable on affordable consoles.

 

Gaming in general shouldn't be some elitist hobby where you need 1000 €+ hardware to be order to play games that you need also to buy in top of that. If it were amount of players would drop quite much. Cause not every gamer in the world is well-off.

 

I'd actually like to see gaming companies starting to develop games so that normal computers can run them. Or even budget gaming computer scan run them. Or then drop PC's completely, because they have most problems running the games anyway. Like with DAI, there were so many PC complains about everything and problems with graphic cards and hardware and software and Bioware had to do tons of patches for them (they did none for old gen for comparison, no wonder it's not working well). It would be so much easier just to focus on consoles, that are purely meant for playing games and that don't have so much differences in hardware and software -> less problems. Not saying that they should actually drop PC people, but just saying that it would make making games more easier than dropping old gen.

 

What are your specs for your new PC? A minimum machine to run DAI adequately wouldn't cost more than $1000-1200. Possibly even less. Graphics scalability options are there for low end computers, but minimum specs are a requirement not recommendation. If your PC fails to meet them, then you shouldn't expect to be able to run the game. They shouldn't hinder advances in graphics simply because some people may not be able to experience it. Gaming is a hobby, and like any hobby there's nothing that says it has to be affordable to everyone. As it stands, it is: you don't have to have an incredibly high end machine to run DAI with decent graphics + fps.

 

PCs have no problems running games, it's the owner that typically thinks their old hardware or craptop should be able to run the game at medium - max settings at 60 fps. The only people complaining about graphics on PC are those who erroneously believe their inadequate hardware is sufficient for a higher level of visuals. 

 

Additionally, as of late consoles are no longer considered a gaming device but more of a media center. Microsoft has even been pushing that in their marketing for the Xbox One. I personally only use my console for netflix, the only games I play on there are exclusive titles. Forcing people to game solely on consoles would lead to a lack of interest in games. If I were forced to play a choppy, 30fps blurry textured "next gen" title I'd find a new hobby.

 

That being said, this isn't really a pc vs console debate. More of a last gen console vs next gen console. We may be different in our hardware capabilities, but both consoles and pcs ultimately lose value over time as advances in technology yield significant improvements - and the desire for realistic graphics demands superior hardware.

[Panda]

What are your specs for your new PC? A minimum machine to run DAI adequately wouldn't cost more than $1000-1200. Possibly even less. Graphics scalability options are there for low end computers, but minimum specs are a requirement not recommendation. If your PC fails to meet them, then you shouldn't expect to be able to run the game. They shouldn't hinder advances in graphics simply because some people may not be able to experience it. Gaming is a hobby, and like any hobby there's nothing that says it has to be affordable to everyone. As it stands, it is: you don't have to have an incredibly high end machine to run DAI with decent graphics + fps.

 

PCs have no problems running games, it's the owner that typically thinks their old hardware or craptop should be able to run the game at medium - max settings at 60 fps. The only people complaining about graphics on PC are those who erroneously believe their inadequate hardware is sufficient for a higher level of visuals. 

 

Additionally, as of late consoles are no longer considered a gaming device but more of a media center. Microsoft has even been pushing that in their marketing for the Xbox One. I personally only use my console for netflix, the only games I play on there are exclusive titles. Forcing people to game solely on consoles would lead to a lack of interest in games. If I were forced to play a choppy, 30fps blurry textured "next gen" title I'd find a new hobby.

 

That being said, this isn't really a pc vs console debate. More of a last gen console vs next gen console. We may be different in our hardware capabilities, but both consoles and pcs ultimately lose value over time as advances in technology yield significant improvements - and the desire for realistic graphics demands superior hardware.

 

I didn't get 1000 dollars PC, cause that's just way over what I can afford. My specs for new PC are 8GB RAM, Quad-core CPU and Amd radeon hd 8570d -graphic card and no it can't run DAI. Actually in my experience minimum requirements aren't set in stones, cause I have played DAO and Witcher 1, even Deus Ex: Human Revolution under them on old PC and they work fine, but it's always risky to try. And yes you have to have quite high-end system to run DAI. I was thinking while getting PC that can run it, but after researching the prices and so I gave up on that when I couldn't find anything that even meets minimum of the game on affordable price.

 

Actually there is hobbyes that are very expensive like riding and golf, known as more of hobbies of the upper class, but in general hobbies are sth that most people should be able to affort.

 

DAI really had lot of problems with PC and so it had tons of patches. Unlike old gen version that got none. Surely it would be easier to just do console versions with no different systems to create problems and softwares that need support. Though I'm just putting another perspective here, I don't actually want devs to not make games for PC's ^^

[snackrat]

Computer hardware is considered obsolete at 3 years old. Those consoles are TEN years old. They're the zombie of a ghost at this point, releasing things for them just forces them to lower overall quality.

 

Old consoles already can't have scars because they're locked at low shaders. The big fort battle they showed off a year before release? Removed. Why? BECAUSE TEN YEARS OLD computer couldn't handle it.

 

I understand that it is frustrating happening in the middle of a producation, but the new consoles have been out for a year now. You had to know this inevitable cutoff was coming - productions shouldn't be held back for the sake of out-of-date hardware.

 

Fortunately my household already has one of the newer consoles so I'm already sorted, and look forward to seeing what the new content is capable of with more power and memory available.