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[Kulyok]

How about they scrap console support so that we PC users finally get to play with more than eight abilities? 

[AtalaSirion]

How about they scrap console support so that we PC users finally get to play with more than eight abilities? 

this is brilliant!

[Panda]

How about they scrap console support so that we PC users finally get to play with more than eight abilities? 

 

That decisions wasn't because of consoles. You could play with more abilities in consoles in both DA2 and DAO. So why suddenly it's console problem for DAI?

[Jaron Oberyn]

I didn't get 1000 dollars PC, cause that's just way over what I can afford. My specs for new PC are 8GB RAM, Quad-core CPU and Amd radeon hd 8570d -graphic card and no it can't run DAI. Actually in my experience minimum requirements aren't set in stones, cause I have played DAO and Witcher 1, even Deus Ex: Human Revolution under them on old PC and they work fine, but it's always risky to try. And yes you have to have quite high-end system to run DAI. I was thinking while getting PC that can run it, but after researching the prices and so I gave up on that when I couldn't find anything that even meets minimum of the game on affordable price.
 
Actually there is hobbyes that are very expensive like riding and golf, known as more of hobbies of the upper class, but in general hobbies are sth that most people should be able to affort.
 
DAI really had lot of problems with PC and so it had tons of patches. Unlike old gen version that got none. Surely it would be easier to just do console versions with no different systems to create problems and softwares that need support. Though I'm just putting another perspective here, I don't actually want devs to not make games for PC's ^^

Your graphics card is no better than a gtx 630, which is good enough to run a calculator. Quad core could be any processor brand, model and speed, so you're not giving me much with that description. Though your card says enough, it doesn't meet the minimum requirements to play DAI. I used to run DAI at medium/high on a $700 computer from my local sams club with a $230 gtx 660 slotted in. Had a mediocre amd phenom ii 820 2.8 ghz quad core. And 8gb of stock 533mhz ram.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that hobbies must be affordable, nor that they are exclusive to "upper class". You cite numerous patches, but most of DAIs pc issues were a byproduct of console porting and restraints. The same happened to games like the witcher 3, and arkham knight. Developers leave console limitations on in their pc ports, and it screws up the game. For example, bioware has a 30fps lock in cutscenes on pc. My game stuttered horribly during them due to the fps lock, basically bottlenecked my graphics card because consoles needed to be capped at that frame rate. Enter the console command to remove the fps lock, and I have no more issues and am getting 60 fps cutscenes. And this is just one example.

Bottom line is, it's called next gen for a reason. Yet for some reason people are angry that their extremely aged equipment that was designed to run much older engines at a somewhat sufficient rate is not capable of handling next generation engines and graphical features. You can't expect everyone to suffer because a few are unable or outright refuse to get with the times.

It'd be like a first generation iPhone user getting mad at apple because the newer generation iPhones have multitasking support and they don't. So even though the newer models can support the feature, they shouldn't have it because the iPhone 1 can't. Apple should make sure all the software they release are bound by the hardware capabilities of the first phone.

[Suledin]

How about they scrap console support so that we PC users finally get to play with more than eight abilities? 

Consoles have nothing to do with it. Look at DA: O. PC and consoles had access to all abilities as I recall. 

[Panda]

Your graphics card is no better than a gtx 630, which is good enough to run a calculator. Quad core could be any processor brand, model and speed, so you're not giving me much with that description. Though your card says enough, it doesn't meet the minimum requirements to play DAI. I used to run DAI at medium/high on a $700 computer from my local sams club with a $230 gtx 660 slotted in. Had a mediocre amd phenom ii 820 2.8 ghz quad core. And 8gb of stock 533mhz ram.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that hobbies must be affordable, nor that they are exclusive to "upper class". You cite numerous patches, but most of DAIs pc issues were a byproduct of console porting and restraints. The same happened to games like the witcher 3, and arkham knight. Developers leave console limitations on in their pc ports, and it screws up the game. For example, bioware has a 30fps lock in cutscenes on pc. My game stuttered horribly during them due to the fps lock, basically bottlenecked my graphics card because consoles needed to be capped at that frame rate. Enter the console command to remove the fps lock, and I have no more issues and am getting 60 fps cutscenes. And this is just one example.

Bottom line is, it's called next gen for a reason. Yet for some reason people are angry that their extremely aged equipment that was designed to run much older engines at a somewhat sufficient rate is not capable of handling next generation engines and graphical features. You can't expect everyone to suffer because a few are unable or outright refuse to get with the times.

It'd be like a first generation iPhone user getting mad at apple because the newer generation iPhones have multitasking support and they don't. So even though the newer models can support the feature, they shouldn't have it because the iPhone 1 can't. Apple should make sure all the software they release are bound by the hardware capabilities of the first phone.

 

It's actually quite nice card Should be able to play quite lot of games with this one.

 

Actually people are upset that cross-gen game doesn't work on all platforms. What DAI is supposed to be. It's not like I'm putting PS4 game to my PS3 system and expect it to work.

[Avejajed]

Its time to move forward with the new technology. You guys know gaming is an expensive hobby, time to put your money (or your parents money, whatever) where your mouth is and upgrade with the rest of the world. There's no reason not to and now if you get xbox one, its going to be backwards compatible so maybe eventually youll be able to play your game xbox one game on the new one.

[beccatoria]

Yes, of course THH did.  And thought is was worth the price when it was paid. 

So there's no real argument being made here by the last-gen contingent except "I deserve... more."

 

While the only real argument being made by next gen players is "stop holding us back because I deserve...more." 

[beccatoria]

Morally?  Seriously?  It's somehow risen to the level of a moral  argument that one must provide unending support for an obsolete environment simply because one offered a product for it at one time?  Puh-leeze.

 

Sigrun:  "How does it feel, Mark Darrah, to know that because I bought your original PS3 version of the game you'll have to support that crippled one... for-EVER!"

 

"Moral" doesn't always equate to a life-or-death issues of human rights.  It's a measure of fairness.  It's an accurate use of the phrase.  That's fairly self-evident, unless you're trying to dismiss the opposing argument by making it seem hyperbolic and hysterical.  To that end: no one suggested that they provide unending support for an obsolete environment.  They suggested that they provide support for one game, for maybe two more major DLC releases, on a platform they made a conscious decision to support less than a year ago. 

 

All this said, and while I'm really upset with BioWare's decision, online petitions rarely take off and this will probably make it look like there's less anger about the issue than there really is.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

While the only real argument being made by next gen players is "stop holding us back because I deserve...more." 

 

No, the next-gen players didn't start a petition demanding that BioWare drop support for last-gen platforms. The studio made a decision.

The next-gen players are simply saying, "Thank you!" (and, "About time!")

[I saved Star Wars :D]

Before this announcment, one of the *major* complaints was that Bioware would not communicate their plans for DLC.

 

Now, apparantly, they had not only confirmed that numerous DLCs were coming but had also confirmed the platforms involved.

 

If there is one thing that Bioware should take away from the launch of DAI, the ending of ME3, their handling of SWTOR and now this, it is that their communication with their customers is dreadful. They fail utterly to manage expectations.

[Beama Beorhtost]

No, the next-gen players didn't start a petition demanding that BioWare drop support for last-gen platforms. The studio made a decision.

The next-gen players are simply saying, "Thank you!" (and, "About time!")

 

I don't think how entitled and offensive this sound. Because someone like you doesn't have to worry about limited income does not mean that the rest of the player base is in the same shoes and can afford to splash $/£/€ or whatever the currency on a new system+game even if they have a job.

 

People on old gens are furious not only because of the drop of support but of also been told 'you're a fan and wanna play the full story? buy the game again or **** you'  

[Thandal N'Lyman]

... People on old gens are furious not only because of the drop of support but of also been told 'you're a fan and wanna play the full story? buy the game again or **** you'  

 

 

And again, you've got it wrong.  Old-gen people are being told, "You want to play the NEXT story?  Buy the game on the next-gen."

[Panda]

Its time to move forward with the new technology. You guys know gaming is an expensive hobby, time to put your money (or your parents money, whatever) where your mouth is and upgrade with the rest of the world. There's no reason not to and now if you get xbox one, its going to be backwards compatible so maybe eventually youll be able to play your game xbox one game on the new one.

 

I'll get it to new-gen game. ME:A likely so still year and half for me unless it's get postponed until I'll upgrade.

 

It's not that expensive if you don't made it. It used to be so easy when I was a kid, bought any computer and it ran most of games out. Only thing was upgrading Windows, since 98 didn't support newer games

 

PS4 doesn't have same thing as XBONE sadly. Also it's not like money growns on threes although some seem to think it does. Maybe they are used receiving money such easily? ^^;

[Panda]

And again, you've got it wrong.  Old-gen people are being told, "You want to play the NEXT story?  Buy the game on the next-gen."

 

That's not right either. "If you want to continue the story that you already paid for you need to pay for it again so you can pay for additional story."

[Costin_Razvan]

 I don't think how entitled and offensive this sound. Because someone like you doesn't have to worry about limited income does not mean that the rest of the player base is in the same shoes and can afford to splash $/£/€ or whatever the currency on a new system+game even if they have a job.

 

People on old gens are furious not only because of the drop of support but of also been told 'you're a fan and wanna play the full story? buy the game again or **** you'  

Just because someone has a limited income doesn't mean they are entitled to a developer making a game or DLC for them. You aren't the center of the universe. ( Says someone with limited income as well ).

[Beama Beorhtost]

And again, you've got it wrong.  Old-gen people are being told, "You want to play the NEXT story?  Buy the game on the next-gen."

 

It is not the next story. If you have completed the the game you'd know that the story is not complete.

 

And please let me know which part of my previous post you wasn't clear as you keep on leaving out the very important 'buy a new console + pay full price for a game you already own and have played if you want to know what happen next'

[Thandal N'Lyman]

That's not right either. "If you want to continue the story that you already paid for you need to pay for it again so you can pay for additional story."

 

People on the old-gen platform can play EVERYTHING they've already paid for.   The uproar is about the fact that they won't be able to play NEW material.

 

We all  want the-most-for-the-least.  In this case, for PS3/XBox360 players, that "most" has become "there is no more".  And demanding that "more" be produced for them only makes them sound childish.

[Beama Beorhtost]

 

Just because someone has a limited income doesn't mean they are entitled to a developer making a game or DLC for them. You aren't the center of the universe. ( Says someone with limited income as well ).

 

 

Then they should have not released it on the old gens. I bought it on the assumption that what the devs were saying (both on social media, interviews and other outlets) with regards to the game running on 360 and future support provided otherwise I would have not £54 for it and waited for when I was able to upgrade

[Panda]

People on the old-gen platform can play EVERYTHING they've already paid for.   The uproar is about the fact that they won't be able to play NEW material.

 

We all  want the-most-for-the-least.  In this case, for PS3/XBox360 players, that "most" has become "there is no more".  And demanding that "more" be produced for them only makes them sound childish.

 

DLC's aren't new game. You need to have base game to play them. So even if you upgrade you have to buy same game twice so you can pay for additional stuff. It's simple.

 

Childish to ask what other players get? Well I'll be sure to tell that to everyone who complains about BW's XBOX exclusivity deals (they are timed so not forever like this one).

[Beama Beorhtost]

People on the old-gen platform can play EVERYTHING they've already paid for.   The uproar is about the fact that they won't be able to play NEW material.

 

We all  want the-most-for-the-least.  In this case, for PS3/XBox360 players, that "most" has become "there is no more".  And demanding that "more" be produced for them only makes them sound childish.

 

I don't want more I just want what was implied I would get. 

 

Anyway, not use talking with you as you don't seem to understand where the problem lies for us old gens

 

Enjoy your new gen game with all the flashy graphic and constant support, including bugs fixes we on the old gens don't know even what it means since they'd taken our money and left us out to dry...

[Thandal N'Lyman]

And please let me know which part of my previous post you wasn't clear as you keep on leaving out the very important 'buy a new console + pay full price for a game you already own and have played if you want to know what happen next'

 

No one has to buy new hardware.  No one has to buy a new game.  No one has to buy DLC.

 

This is entertainment.  It's optional.  It's a decision about what's worth how much to whom.  Each of us decides if the price is one we'll pay.  If not, we don't buy.  While I understand the disappointment, I'm pointing out the fact that the frequently expressed feeling is an outraged sense of entitlement (by some) among those who have already received what they had obviously decided was worth their money when they bought it, because they won't be receiving... more.

 

If there were NO additional DLC for ANY platform, would you feel cheated?  Would you feel entitled to demand that BioWare create it?  And how far would that get you?  It's like the people who (say they) only play the Single-player game and then complain that there are "perks" only available by completing certain tasks in Multi-player.  How does that diminish what you've already got?  How does that make what you paid for any less valuable?  That others have something you don't/won't get (due to cost, or other factors) takes nothing away from what you already have.

[Beama Beorhtost]

No one has to buy new hardware.  No one has to buy a new game.  No one has to buy DLC.

 

This is entertainment.  It's optional.  It's a decision about what's worth how much to whom.  Each of us decides if the price is one we'll pay.  If not, we don't buy.  While I understand the disappointment, I'm pointing out the fact that the frequently expressed feeling is an outraged sense of entitlement (by some) among those who have already received what they had obviously decided was worth their money when they bought it, because they won't be receiving... more.

 

If there were NO additional DLC for ANY platform, would you feel cheated?  Would you feel entitled to demand that BioWare create it?  And how far would that get you?  It's like the people who (say they) only play the Single-player game and then complain that there are "perks" only available by completing certain tasks in Multi-player.  How does that diminish what you've already got?  How does that make what you plaid for any less valuable?  That others have something you don't/won't get (due to cost, or other factors) takes nothing away from you.

 

Bolded = BW and all the other companies in the field would have gone bust ages ago if we didn't want to be entertained by games and maybe we wouldn't have got anything beyond 2D/arcade games. 

 

Also (see bolded) I would because, as I said previously, the pre- and post-ending make it feels like it is not the ending of the story and we haven't defeated the real enemy. So, unless they would have said that they were working on the fourth game and what we saw connected to it, I would really have felt cheated. As for perks I don't care, I have always played BW games for the stories and companions. Combat, romances and all of the customization that are important to to other people are not really important to me, though that doesn't mean that I wouldn't be sympathetic with people lamenting lack of them.

 

I have to go back to work now. Yes, I have one but is vocational so we're not payed much 'cause of job satisfaction...

[Thandal N'Lyman]

I didn't say "No more DLC" is the same as "No MP perks for SP."  I simply used that as another (current, and similarly contentious) example that causes me to say, "How does that diminish what you've already got?  How does that make what you paid for any less valuable?  That others have something you don't/won't get (due to cost, or other factors) takes nothing away from you."

[exboomer]

Please sign and share this everyone! I know petitions haven't always worked in the past, but we can at least try to do something! 

 

https://www.change.o...fb_ref=Default 

Not gonna happen but thanks for playing.