Are you serious? Because if you are, that's very, very sad.
I don't mind spending 500$ on a product. I do mind if marketing of this product involves disgusting practices and lack of transparency. If it does - I won't spend even 1c, the quality is irrelevant.
Well there is -- if DLC doesn't sell they don't make more no matter what they said. If the last gen systems had sold enough DLC you can bet your bottom dollar they'd be making last gen DLC.
It does not sell because people on old platforms are largely dissatisfied with the game, which is poorly optimized and has several bugs.
The discussion is not from a legal or business standpoint. It is moral.
And the problem is that they are making this kind of decisions over and over. The point is that buying things from Bioware is now risky and not a satisfying experience anymore.
Their marketing is misleading (There will be no AB and C ending, Made for PC gamers), their tech team response is slow (game took five months to be reasonably stable on PC) and you as a customer cannot count that they will act in good faith - they will cut the rope if they think they can get away with it.
It is not even just the fact that there will be no DLCs anymore for last gen, they are not even making the effort to fix the bugs that just affect a small contingent of players (in all platforms).
Giving the game for free is not just a decent and nice thing to do, it is damage control. With dick moves like that, EA is destroying the Bioware brand (and they do not care - it the developer stops being profitable they just ditch it). Microsoft spent billions of dollars to salvage the xbox brand with the Red Ring of Death thing and it was a wise decision - and MS is not even known for their quality customer support.
Things pile up and must be seen inside a context: it is not the first time Bioware disappoints and the disappointments are getting bigger. They are making it quite clear that, when they make a mistake, you are the one paying for it (sometimes twice).
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Giving the game for free is not just a decent and nice thing to do, it is damage control. With dick moves like that, EA is destroying the Bioware brand (and they do not care - it the developer stops being profitable they just ditch it). Microsoft spent billions of dollars to salvage the xbox brand with the Red Ring of Death thing and it was a wise decision - and MS is not even known for their quality customer support.
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All of this - but especially this - perfectly cuts to the heart of why I'm so concerned and so critical of many of their moves recently. Well said.
As far as a know, not a single review has come out with a positive revision of DA:I for PS3 or Xbox one. It should have been apparent to the consumer that the game wouldn't run well on last gen consoles. So in retrospect, the people getting burnt by this, are also people who didn't read up on what they were buying.
Wait, what?
I was aware I might need to accept performance issues, which I did and which turned out to be minor. DAI runs quite acceptably on my PS3, as it turns out, and in fact I've had far fewer issues than my friends playing on PC have had... but I knew that was a risk I was taking.
None of the reviews indicated that future story content would be limited. (How would they even know?) So... I'm not really seeing the connection.
Bioware chose to release the game for these platforms. The fact the game didn't run as perfectly on our consoles is a pretty far leap from cutting off mid-development cycle two of the consoles they chose to release the game for.
...and why should the rest of BioWares fans get a lesser experience because of the last gen consoles?
Because Bioware/EA chose to release their game for our consoles. That's on them, not on the owners of the consoles.
The fact that they made what they now feel is a poor choice is not an excuse to burn the consumer. If there was truly no way around this, they need to try to find a way to ease the blow rather than ignoring the problem as they have been doing.
It does not sell because people on old platforms are largely dissatisfied with the game, which is poorly optimized and has several bugs.
The discussion is not from a legal or business standpoint. It is moral.
And the problem is that they are making this kind of decisions over and over. The point is that buying things from Bioware is now risky and not a satisfying experience anymore.
Their marketing is misleading (There will be no AB and C ending, Made for PC gamers), their tech team response is slow (game took five months to be reasonably stable on PC) and you as a customer cannot count that they will act in good faith - they will cut the rope if they think they can get away with it.
It is not even just the fact that there will be no DLCs anymore for last gen, they are not even making the effort to fix the bugs that just affect a small contingent of players (in all platforms).
Giving the game for free is not just a decent and nice thing to do, it is damage control. With dick moves like that, EA is destroying the Bioware brand (and they do not care - it the developer stops being profitable they just ditch it). Microsoft spent billions of dollars to salvage the xbox brand with the Red Ring of Death thing and it was a wise decision - and MS is not even known for their quality customer support.
Things pile up and must be seen inside a context: it is not the first time Bioware disappoints and the disappointments are getting bigger. They are making it quite clear that, when they make a mistake, you are the one paying for it (sometimes twice).
Not to mention Bethesda was getting quite a bit of flak for their shoddy PS3 port of Skyrim and they STILL managed to work it out AND release all DLC content. They could have just as easily said. "Too bad PS3 buyers we can't fix it. We don't want to fix. We're done,".
While I don't excuse Bethesda for their shoddy port job, I do commend them for all the efforts they put into making "it work" and as a result I gladly bought all DLCs once they were finally released.
As far as a know, not a single review has come out with a positive revision of DA:I for PS3 or Xbox one. It should have been apparent to the consumer that the game wouldn't run well on last gen consoles. So in retrospect, the people getting burnt by this, are also people who didn't read up on what they were buying.
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Now as i have stated many times. I can see how it sucks, but again. A little bit of consumer liability would be appreciated. If i read in a review "This game runs like crap on this platform" I don't buy it! (Batman: Arkham knight as an example) what people payed for the game they got, and deemed fair at the point of purchase. The same with JoH. Everything they paid for, they have gotten so far, and there have been reviews warning people about the state of the game on the last gen consoles.
While I'm aware I do not speak for entirity of PS3 owners, in my personal experience my PS3 copy of DA:I ran perfectly fine. There was absolutely 0 crashes and 0 game breaking bugs through my 3 playthrus. Sure it was rough around the edges, graphics wise, but graphics isn't everything.
Secondly, that isn't exactly fair when some of us may have recieved the game via gift. I recieved my copy as a Christmas gift from a family member, who probably couldn't tell the difference between an Xbox and PS from a Wii.
I'm a she.
Getting a free upgrade in no way negatively affects your experience. Also, playing a game without all dlc is an incomplete experience---the base game is a part of the whole. If all future dlc for the game you bought was included for all platform except for yours, you would be upset. You all are a bunch of hypocrites. Furthermore, this crap about old gen holding inquisition back is bullfeces. GTA 5is far larger in scope and complexity and runs beautifully on the ps3. Dai is a train wreck in comparison. Bipware and EA dropped the ball. I hope you remember this when they screw you over because none of us will advocate for you. The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. Expect more of the same from EA. I'll just be laughing at you when you whine, too.
This is totaly true, Bioware and EA are completely betraying our trust, this game on old gen runs like crap, let's face it, we all love it for the story, and the action and what not, sure, but if only us old gen players had gotten a decent port, at least I would not be so angry, i would be some what satisfied, because of my experience with the vanilla game, instead of that, i'm frustrated, the game runs poorly, the story is hardly enjoyable because of texture and model pop in, the more patches we get the more broken the game is, so don't tell me we got what we wanted, this is NOT "the same game with lesser visual fidelity" this is a game that runs badly, and looks poorly even by old gen standards, look at AC 4 black flag, GTA V, hell even Skyrim looked and ran better on ps3, and that game had a really bad port, has any one noticed the entire section of the Hinterlands lack drop shadows for trees? or that the water most times lack reflections? and bioware is telling us that it's because old gen can't habdle that? well the three open world titles i just mentioned say otherwise.
The matter here is about two simple things, respect, and consistency, if you are going to release this game in a especific platform either support it till the end, or treat those who bought it respectfully and give them a free upgrade to next gen.
As someone who owns this on Xbox One: I feel that they shouldn't have made last gen versions of the game in the first place because it hampered what they could do with the current gen, but what's done is done. Since they made the game on last gen consoles, they should make and release DLC for those consoles, my reasoning for this is that it was a reasonable and fair for those that bought the game on last gen consoles to expect to get all the DLC, especially after they got the first one. If it had been revealed before release that they would not get all the DLC then this would be a different matter entirely.
While they did get the vanilla game like they had paid for, it's a given that there are at least some (I'd say more than a few thousand if I were to guess) people out there that would have waited until they got a current gen console to have purchased DAI if they had known that they wouldn't have been able to get all the DLC.
I'd argue that a free upgrade isn't fair to these people as they still wouldn't have a console or the means to play the DLC -some people can't upgrade because of monetary reasons- I'd say that nothing other than making the DLC for last gen would be fair to those that bought it on last gen consoles.
If the last gen consoles can't handle the current DLC then, well, Bioware should have made the DLC in line of the ability of both last and current gen consoles because they were more than willing to make that compromise with the vanilla game. While it would suck, it would be fair. I do have doubts about that being an issue though. I think the issue is that the DLC didn't sell as well as they wanted it to on last gen consoles and now they are trying to maximize profits and while that makes sense, it is not the right move because it is not fair or respectful to their customers.
What I find particularly galling about this is that Bioware is ignoring how important their past DLCs have been. I mean, Witch Hunt served as the coda to Origins, Leliana's Song gave us some interesting insights into Leliana's character, as well as introduced Dorothea/Justinia V, and Legacy introduced Corypheus (probably a bad move to introduce the main villain of a game in a DLC, but that's beside the point). Dragon Age is a serialized franchise, with one installment building on top of the other, and the DLCs have frequently been used to set up new plot points and establish things for future iterations, so not only is this move depriving last-gen players of additional content, it's also means they'll be missing chunks of the story. As such, either Bioware simply doesn't care about delivering a patchwork story to its players, or any upcoming Inquisition DLCs might as well be meaningless in terms of story; why deliver a meaningful tale if much of the audience won't be able to experience it?
What I find particularly galling about this is that Bioware is ignoring how important their past DLCs have been. I mean, Witch Hunt served as the coda to Origins, Leliana's Song gave us some interesting insights into Leliana's character, as well as introduced Dorothea/Justinia V, and Legacy introduced Corypheus (probably a bad move to introduce the main villain of a game in a DLC, but that's beside the point). Dragon Age is a serialized franchise, with one installment building on top of the other, and the DLCs have frequently been used to set up new plot points and establish things for future iterations, so not only is this move depriving last-gen players of additional content, it's also means they'll be missing chunks of the story. As such, either Bioware simply doesn't care about delivering a patchwork story to its players, or any upcoming Inquisition DLCs might as well be meaningless in terms of story; why deliver a meaningful tale if much of the audience won't be able to experience it?
My question is what's the point to release a meaningful story DLC now, 8/9 months post release,and without last gen support,with titles like WH3 or new ones that are coming? Because i'm sure that if they intend to release a story driven DLC it will cost no less than 25$,they don't care about SP anymore,in this game it seems that the priority was MP
My question is what's the point to release a meaningful story DLC now, 8/9 months post release,and without last gen support,with titles like WH3 or new ones that are coming? Because i'm sure that if they intend to release a story driven DLC it will cost no less than 25$,they don't care about SP anymore,in this game it seems that the priority was MP
Well... that's a sad thought, but believable. MP ugh! No offense to anyone that enjoyed it. *cough*
I think this whole issue has been handled very poorly - and when the DLC's are being touted as 'finishing the story' that makes me angry; it makes me feel that what I purchased wasn't a complete game - and now, because I chose the 360 version (I had the choice to upgrade to an Xbone but since DA:I was available on 360 and I already had games for that console I went with it), I'll be missing out on the ending.
It makes me feel like I did with Fallout New Vegas, that I paid for half a game and have to pay through the nose to finish it - and in this case, it means another £300 to upgrade the console... not happening.
In short, if this is what Bioware / EA is going to do to its customers, then count me out - I'll vote with my wallet and not buy from them any longer.
Support means bugfixes, patches and help with technical issue. Support doesn't mean new content.
yeah....adn amazingly enough, DA:I on ps3 and xbox 360, is still a broken mess of a game, 8 patches down the line....i mean, you don't want to give us old gen folk the next dlc, what ever, good for you, but at least fix the game you chose to put on our platform so that at least it runs well, but no, they're not interested in that either, I downloaded patch 1.09 a couple of weeks back and it broke the black emporium, it just broke it, when you get out if it (BE) the sound in the entire game shuts off, and the most competent thing Beaware does is, well, like with everything else....NOTHING!.
yeah....adn amazingly enough, DA:I on ps3 and xbox 360, is still a broken mess of a game, 8 patches down the line....i mean, you don't want to give us old gen folk the next dlc, what ever, good for you, but at least fix the game you chose to put on our platform so that at least it runs well, but no, they're not interested in that either, I downloaded patch 1.09 a couple of weeks back and it broke the black emporium, it just broke it, when you get out if it (BE) the sound in the entire game shuts off, and the most competent thing Beaware does is, well, like with everything else....NOTHING!.
So it wasn't just me having issues with the BE. I do hope Bioware will release at least one more patch for last gen owners in order to fix this, because I also have had to restart my console due to the game lagging like hell on a new loading screen after trying to re-enter the emporium more than once.
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