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[Hanako Ikezawa]

If they leave after the endings, then there has to be a canon ending. Bioware won't do that.

No there doesn't. Any differences between the endings would easily be able to be dealt with since it's in a different galaxy. 

 

I'd rather not have another Citadel, because having a copycat galaxy seems like a cop-out. What would be the point of it? Are we going to fight Andromeda Reapers there too?

So because the Andromeda galaxy would have a Citadel and Mass Relays, it is immediately a copy of the Milky Way? Does the other iconic stuff being there make it a copy of the Milky Way too? 

And no, have it so all the Reapers were in the Milky Way. They are dealt with, and all that's left is their legacy(which at this point would be solely beneficial to us). 

 

They could fly through a wormhole in an ark, too.

Never said they couldn't, but using a wormhole doesn't require an ark that cannot exist without breaking the lore. 

 

Yes, there are many reasons to explore places unseen, but from what little we know (which is admittedly very little) of Andromeda, they've taken much of the civilization of the Milky Way with them. There's a guy in N7 armor. Where did that come from? It's possible that humans on board an ark were Alliance military and kept the N7 program going. Many of the races that we already know of will be in Andromeda, and that's what fits most closely with the Asari councilor's statement about making preparations. Ensuring the continuity of civilization means just that. It's not just having a leg up technologically because that seems very small compared to what's at stake.

Why wouldn't they keep their culture? Do people abandon their culture when going to a new place? 

I don't get where you're going with this part. None of what you said requires anything involving Ark Theory. 

[Broganisity]

The Details we could argue about, but the Core Concept is solid.

I'm okay with the Core Concept as it helps explain things (and a one-way, destroyed relay prototype similar to that on Ilos could make for a easy-esque write-off for the escape.), but what I do not like is the potential for these things to be revealed to key cast members at certain points in time:

- Admiral Hackett I can understand, but the Alliance would have information on it that perhaps Cerberus could retrieve. Many Cerberus members are former Alliance, you never know. They could hand-wave this potential though.

 

- The more the ARK project is revealed, the more likely indoctrinated agents might find something. . .though if the crucible remained a giant arse secret so too could the ARK.

 

- Liara could have mentioned the Ark multiple times to Shepard in confidence that there were other plans in motion besides the Crucible. I see no reason why she wouldn't, only reasons why I should have thrown her back into that volcano.

 

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The thing I like the most in regards to an ARK story is that it gives us more time in and places to explore in the ME Universe, but at the same time gives Bioware more time to, if they so choose, conceptualize and plan the return the the Milky Way at some point in the future, after we've become used to Andromeda.

[Broganisity]

Can I get the executive summary of this theory?

I'm a busy man, you know.

 

 

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In all serious though? Humanity finds a few other things at Mars, but can't do anything with it (without Prothean Encryption Data) for a good twenty-six years. Then they get stuff done, Ark Project gets made alongside the other races, and a flotilla is scrambled together after Thessia falls and the ARk is used when people think Shepard died trying to get onto the Citadel at the end of ME3.

Read it for the details, lazy boy.

[Monica21]

No there doesn't. Any differences between the endings would easily be able to be dealt with since it's in a different galaxy.

 

Unless you pick Synthesis, in which case all organics will glow green and be part Reaper. It doesn't work.

 

 

So because the Andromeda galaxy would have a Citadel and Mass Relays, it is immediately a copy of the Milky Way? Does the other iconic stuff being there make it a copy of the Milky Way too?

 

No, but it makes it boring.

 

 

And no, have it so all the Reapers were in the Milky Way. They are dealt with, and all that's left is their legacy(which at this point would be solely beneficial to us).

 

Why would all the Reapers be in the Milky Way if there's a Citadel in Andromeda? Because reasons? The Reapers built the Citadel. Why build one if you're not going to be there to harvest?

 

 

Never said they couldn't, but using a wormhole doesn't require an ark that cannot exist without breaking the lore.

 

How again does an ark break the lore?

 

 

Why wouldn't they keep their culture? Do people abandon their culture when going to a new place? 

I don't get where you're going with this part. None of what you said requires anything involving Ark Theory.

 

What I'm getting at is that you don't get Humans, Asari, Turians, and Quarians in a new galaxy just because. And if they're all there together then it's more than likely that they all went together. None of what you said disputes Ark Theory.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Unless you pick Synthesis, in which case all organics will glow green and be part Reaper. It doesn't work.

Green glowing circuits faded after a while. There, functionally the same as the other endings now in regards to Andromeda. 

 

No, but it makes it boring.

How does it make it boring? 

Plus that's subjective. There are quite a few people who find that prospect fascinating. 

 

Why would all the Reapers be in the Milky Way if there's a Citadel in Andromeda? Because reasons? The Reapers built the Citadel. Why build one if you're not going to be there to harvest?

To maximize the efficiency of the harvest of the Milky Way. During the cycle instead of taking a 50,000 year nap they harvest other galaxies to protect everything in their domain from the threat they see. 

 

How again does an ark break the lore?

Our cycle doesn't have the technology to build a massive ark, or the time, or the resources, etc. 

 

What I'm getting at is that you don't get Humans, Asari, Turians, and Quarians in a new galaxy just because. And if they're all there together then it's more than likely that they all went together. None of what you said disputes Ark Theory.

Why not? Why wouldn't the journey to Andromeda for whatever reason not be a joint effort among the species of the Milky Way? Considering the astronomical hurdle intergalactic travel would be, it is more improbable that a single species can pull it off by themselves. 

[AlanC9]

Green glowing circuits faded after a while. There, functionally the same as the other endings now in regards to Andromeda. 

Well, that works OK if you hate Synthesis so much that you just want to pretend that it didn't happen. So why not just be honest and declare Synthesis non-canon!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, that works OK if you hate Synthesis so much that you just want to pretend that it didn't happen. So why not just be honest and declare Synthesis non-canon!

Because it wouldn't be. Everything else in Synthesis still happens. The Reapers are still friends now and all life in the Milky Way are connected. But those aren't prevalent since we aren't in the Milky Way.

[Monica21]

Green glowing circuits faded after a while. There, functionally the same as the other endings now in regards to Andromeda. 

 

How does it make it boring? 

Plus that's subjective. There are quite a few people who find that prospect fascinating. 

 

To maximize the efficiency of the harvest of the Milky Way. During the cycle instead of taking a 50,000 year nap they harvest other galaxies to protect everything in their domain from the threat they see. 

 

Our cycle doesn't have the technology to build a massive ark, or the time, or the resources, etc. 

 

Why not? Why wouldn't the journey to Andromeda for whatever reason not be a joint effort among the species of the Milky Way? Considering the astronomical hurdle intergalactic travel would be, it is more improbable that a single species can pull it off by themselves. 

 

Well, maybe green glowing circuits faded, but the fundamental nature of organics have changed. The Catalyst said it himself. You're rewriting the DNA of every organic in the galaxy by choosing Synthesis. It kind of does have to be accounted for.

 

And sure it's subjective, but so is your dislike of the ark theory.

 

I don't actually believe our cycle had the resources to build the Crucible in just a few months, but they did. I see no reason the Asari couldn't head a different team and build an ark. They're the ones with the leg up on technology. Maybe they already found Prothean plans for an Ark that was never completed.

 

I'm actually agreeing with you about multiple species being involved in intergalactic space travel. We're just disagreeing on why they'd all be together in the first place.

[AlanC9]

I'm a bit confused. Are you handwaving away the fundamental change to the nature of organic life, or just forgetting about it?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, maybe green glowing circuits faded, but the fundamental nature of organics have changed. The Catalyst said it himself. You're rewriting the DNA of every organic in the galaxy by choosing Synthesis. It kind of does have to be accounted for.

 

And sure it's subjective, but so is your dislike of the ark theory.

 

I don't actually believe our cycle had the resources to build the Crucible in just a few months, but they did. I see no reason the Asari couldn't head a different team and build an ark. They're the ones with the leg up on technology. Maybe they already found Prothean plans for an Ark that was never completed.

 

I'm actually agreeing with you about multiple species being involved in intergalactic space travel. We're just disagreeing on why they'd all be together in the first place.

And who says it won't be? It can be accounted for in dialogue, which Bioware has done with choices for years now. Functionally the only difference between Synthesis and the other endings is the green circuitry, and that can be explained as having faded after a certain amount of time. 

 

I never said my dislike of it wasn't subjective, so what's your point? 

 

They were able to build the Crucible in a few months because 1) the information and science was spoonfed to us and 2) the galaxy devoted everything they had to it. This is stated several times in ME3. If all the top minds and resources went to the Crucible, there is nothing left for an ark even if there were schematics for it. 

 

Well, at least we agree on that.

 

 

I'm a bit confused. Are you handwaving away the fundamental change to the nature of organic life, or just forgetting about it?

Neither. It's effect is just minimized when dealing with a relatively small group like the people who go to Andromeda. As for the fundamental change, the Catalyst never went much into the specifics of it, even with the EC. All he said was that organics would be able to fully integrate with technology, but that is a very broad phrase. And EDI never specifies what happened in the Epilogue. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

This is why I said the ark had to be built between ME1 and ME3. The Council took the reaper threat seriously. Shepard was AWOL and working for terrorists and so got shined on. Besides, in ME1 the collectors hadn't even been thought up yet. And when they wrote the ending Leviathans hadn't been thought up yet either. The big question for the Leviathan: How does it feel to be written in as an  afterthought and plot device?

 

NO REAPERS IN ANDROMEDA. FFS, guys the stupid reaper plot ruined the story. And they don't follow us there because the reapers are only programmed to focus on the Milky Way Galaxy.... for reasons that Leviathan's original programming ordered the Intelligence to be concerned only with the Milky Way. Please God No reapers in Andromeda.

 

No canon - I was joking with the  refuse ending. This board takes everything so damned serious. The Ark leaves before the Crucible fires, thus making whatever choice Shepard makes irrelevant. The whole point of going to Andromeda is a fresh start and to make the ending to ME3 irrelevant.

 

If the  thing leaves after the ME3 ending, then you have to deal with all of the choices in the ME3 game which is exactly what Mac Walters does not want to do. It would require writing about 20 different branches at the start and  guarantee the game sucked.

 

There's going to be a lot of handwavium involved, and once it's in place, don't disturb it.

 

Do you guys want to know something else that's pretty insane that no one ever bothered to question? The Citadel makes one complete revolution every three minutes to sustain the 1 g pseudogravity in the wards. So it must be fun docking a ship and unloading cargo. The writers  probably should have considered artificial gravity. but rule  of cool.

 

I actually wouldn't  care if they burned the Shepard trilogy.

[Bullseye1]

I hope the Ark theory where a fleet is launched to Andromeda before the end of ME3 does not end up being true. That would mean the would always be the threat of the Reapers to worry about in MEA. What's to prevent the Reapers following?

My guess is that the Milky Way is dying (remember Haestrom) after ME3 and the ARKCON mission is launched to preserve the Milky Way civilizations. Noah built the ark when he found out the flood was coming. It would help explain the newer Mako as well.

Bioware better pick the destroy ending to ME3 then. All others leave the threat of the Reapers. Bioware has a history of ignoring available choices in previous games (everyone dies ending in ME2, and Champion death in DA:O to DA awakening).

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

What prevents the reapers from following? The author prevents them from following. It's that simple. The writer says, "No reapers." It's that simple.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Bioware better pick the destroy ending to ME3 then. All others leave the threat of the Reapers. Bioware has a history of ignoring available choices in previous games (everyone dies ending in ME2, and Champion death in DA:O to DA awakening).

The only ending that leaves the threat of the Reapers is Refuse. Control and Synthesis have the Reapers as allies, not enemies. 

If the Warden died in DAO, they don't come back in DAA. That's a new character. 

[Bullseye1]

What prevents the reapers from following? The author prevents them from following. It's that simple. The writer says, "No reapers." It's that simple.

And I only hope that isn't the case.

[Bullseye1]

The only ending that leaves the threat of the Reapers is Refuse. Control and Synthesis have the Reapers as allies, not enemies.
If the Warden died in DAO, they don't come back in DAA. That's a new character.

And allies can become enemies.

It has been a while since I played, but I thought you could import your dead Warden in DAA.

Either way we'll find out when MEA comes out.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

And I only hope that isn't the case.

 

You want reapers in Andromeda?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And allies can become enemies.

It has been a while since I played, but I thought you could import your dead Warden in DAA.

Either way we'll find out when MEA comes out.

True, but the Reapers have found a solution to the problem they've been tasked to fix. After the events of ME3, the Reapers ironically are the last race that would turn on the others.

 

If you could, it was a bug. The Warden in DAA is from Orlais if the Warden died in DAO. 

 

Yeah. All these things will be answered in time, at least hopefully. 

 

You want reapers in Andromeda?

I want them to have been to Andromeda. 

[Malanek]

You want reapers in Andromeda?

No, but I would want all story aspects to seem logical, not just jump from scene to scene because the writers want the next scene. They should spend some time to work out a convincing way to engineer why they are not there.

[KaiserShep]

Why would the Catalyst spread reapers out to Andromeda if it didn't even solve the Milky Way's problems yet? Besides, the whole Reaper Madness was designed around the elaborate trap with the Citadel in its center. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why would the Catalyst spread reapers out to Andromeda if it didn't even solve the Milky Way's problems yet? 

Because Andromeda could pose a threat to the life of the Milky Way if they developed synthetics that would attack the Milky Way, thus it falls under the Catalyst's mandate to go there to stop that possibility from occurring. 

[Bullseye1]

You want reapers in Andromeda?

No, that is why I want them to pick the destroy ending and start MEA after ME3. All the other endings leave a doubt in my mind that the Reapers can return.

If the ark mission was launched during ME3, to me then all the characters in MEA should wonder what happened to the Reapers.

[Malanek]

Why would the Catalyst spread reapers out to Andromeda if it didn't even solve the Milky Way's problems yet? Besides, the whole Reaper Madness was designed around the elaborate trap with the Citadel in its center. 

Why wouldn't they go and at least have a look if they could get there in less than a few thousand years?

 

But more to the point, why wouldn't they in the future under synthesis or control.

 

If the writers want to separate the galaxies, the best way of doing it is to make intergalactic travel really, really difficult.