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[KaiserShep]

What would they do in Andromeda in a Synthesis or Control setting? Start reaping that galaxy too?

 

Come to think of it, I wouldn't mind that. It'd chap a great many asses if they did. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Why would the Catalyst spread reapers out to Andromeda if it didn't even solve the Milky Way's problems yet? Besides, the whole Reaper Madness was designed around the elaborate trap with the Citadel in its center. 

 

This ^^^ Ten thousand times. And that stupid plot was what forced us to Andromeda in the first place.

 

Why would anyone want them to even have been to Andromeda? I hope Walters doesn't listen to people who want any tie-in with the Reapers.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why would anyone want them to even have been to Andromeda?

Many reasons To start with:

1) It means one of the if not the signature symbol of the Mass Effect franchise is in Andromeda: the Mass Relays. 

2) It means there will be no Leviathan-tier species that would squash us like an insect the moment we showed up. 

3) It means the species in Andromeda would develop along similar paths as us making it easier to connect with them. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

1) There do not need to be mass relays  to have mass effect - Mass effect refers to the way we got our FTL drive.

 

2) There doesn't  need to be a Leviathan tier species in Andromeda. In fact, there  wasn't one in the Milky Way until Bioware decided to put one there when they wrote the Extended Cut because they felt that the Catalyst's existence needed explaining. The Leviathans were nothing more than a plot device.

 

3) Chances  are that the species in Andromeda  would develop along similar evolutionary paths to us anyway. Again that's up to the writers.

 

And there will be conflict. Without conflict there can be no story.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

1) There do not need to be mass relays  to have mass effect - Mass effect refers to the way we got our FTL drive.

Doesn't mean they aren't a signature icon of the franchise. You can have a Star Wars movie without Lightsabers but Lightsabers are still iconic and a signature of the Star Wars franchise. 

 

2) There doesn't  need to be a Leviathan tier species in Andromeda. In fact, there  wasn't one in the Milky Way until Bioware decided to put one there when they wrote the Extended Cut because they felt that the Catalyst's existence needed explaining. The Leviathans were nothing more than a plot device.

Before they put the Leviathans in, the Reapers were that. Back when they were a Cthulhu-esque machine race. In the dialogue with Sovereign for example, he alludes to that with things like "We are eternal", "We have no beginning.", etc. Shepard even references that in the Leviathan DLC. 

 

3) Chances  are that the species in Andromeda  would develop along similar evolutionary paths to us anyway. Again that's up to the writers.

No, the chances of the people of Andromeda developing along similar paths as us are astronomically low to the point of being near-nonexistent. The only reason the people of the Milky Way developed along similar lines is because of Reaper influence. 

 

And there will be conflict. Without conflict there can be no story.

I never said anything about there being no conflict, so why bring this up? 

[KaiserShep]

Many reasons To start with:

1) It means one of the if not the signature symbol of the Mass Effect franchise is in Andromeda: the Mass Relays. 

2) It means there will be no Leviathan-tier species that would squash us like an insect the moment we showed up. 

3) It means the species in Andromeda would develop along similar paths as us making it easier to connect with them. 

 

 

1) As it is, Mass Effect as a trilogy had a shaky grip with its sense of scale. Hundreds of thousands of years gets tossed around here and there and it takes everyone eons to do anything, as if the galaxy's been around for infinity or something. The reapers couldn't have been around forever, and even a billion years may be too short a window on a big enough scale.

 

The relay network in the Milky Way alone had to take hundreds of thousands if not millions of years to assemble, because the reapers just could not have been so numerous to just whip them up in just a couple thousand. They had to find each point of interest and set up their lure. This god-tier nonsense with them blanketing two totally different galaxies in relay networks on this time scale, despite not even fixing just one galaxy yet, just makes matters even worse. 

 

As for symbols, that's not the most compelling reason to keep something around. Some people think Shepard is the symbol of Mass Effect, and I guess in some ways that was kind of true. But that's just too bad, 'cause she's officially retired for good. 

 

2) Aside from the consideration that there's no good reason why a Leviathan-like species must evolve in Andromeda, that galaxy is actually estimated to be significantly younger than the Milky Way by a few billion years.

 

3) To this end, it shouldn't really make much of a difference which galaxy anyone's from. Being able to connect to aliens at all in the manner we do in Mass Effect is already out there as it is. Take the asari. Their mating abilities would be no more preposterous if they came from a different galaxy.

[Amplitudelol]

Green glowing circuits faded after a while. There, functionally the same as the other endings now in regards to Andromeda.

 

I didnt chose synthesis for a green glow in the eyes... If they ever return to the Milky Way and say "oh yeah, synthesis ending was just a glow in the eyes and it faded anyway" or reference it as "yeah, there was some strange green glow but it has no effect now" that would suck. Anyway i think Mac Walters is too proud to erase his own endings. The best thing EA can do is to totally ignore in some way the ending of ME. No reference, no nothing, a perfect dodge.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Doesn't mean they aren't a signature icon of the franchise. You can have a Star Wars movie without Lightsabers but Lightsabers are still iconic and a signature of the Star Wars franchise. 

 

Before they put the Leviathans in, the Reapers were that. Back when they were a Cthulhu-esque machine race. In the dialogue with Sovereign for example, he alludes to that with things like "We are eternal", "We have no beginning.", etc. Shepard even references that in the Leviathan DLC. 

 

No, the chances of the people of Andromeda developing along similar paths as us are astronomically low to the point of being near-nonexistent. The only reason the people of the Milky Way developed along similar lines is because of Reaper influence. 

 

I never said anything about there being no conflict, so why bring this up? 

 

Construction of the mass relays .... the extent of the relay system, the amount of  cycles, the harvesting, the entire thing was preposterous. The odds of the number of garden worlds producing intelligent life all those cycles was astronomically small. Not to mention that the relays took a lot of resources to build, and last  but not least, the reapers aren't know for their manual dexterity. Besides, a star cluster with about 10 planets in it is large enough. You don't really visit that many more in the enitre game anyway. And don't give me this ... ME1 had all this  exploration. The exploration was sh*t. The concept was nice but all the worlds looked the same except for the color of the sky. Well, therum had lava and Virmire had actual vegetation.

 

And who cares about the reapers or leviathans anyway? Who is going to remember them in 2016? They were a bad thing. I'm glad that the trilogy is done.

 

I would not write the plot having anything to do with the reapers. Maybe in the beginning have something about the war and when they left but leave it behind and done.

 

Maybe our own colonists will build their own mass relays? Why does a relay system have to be there already for us? Why does everything advance have to be handed to us by some more advanced aliens? It already has. The Protheans. So we have the technology already. I'm sure they didn't leave all that knowledge behind. Use it. It'll take a while. Maybe they'll only get two built by the time we're playing this game, but they have to start somewhere.

 

And  the scientists? By the time we got to Thessia, pretty much all we needed on the Crucible was the Catalyst. So I'm sure that after Cerberus intercepted it, Hackett told about 95% of  the scientists to go to the Ark. Those remaining the techs would finish it up. There you go, I got the scientists on the Ark.

 

And Andromeda developing along similar lines? Technologically or genetically? Who cares? I'm sure the writers will make them similar. It's usually that way. It doesn't have to be an ass pull either.

[DarthLaxian]

Why not?

 

Why go to Mars when there's the moon?

 

Why cross the Atlantic when there's Europe?

 

Why live in caves when there's plenty of open Savannah?

 

 

The Milky Way is full of meddling council races... ARK could be no different than the Puritans deciding they've had enough of the "Old World" and setting off for pastures new... just on a much bigger scale.

 

But why would they take all the races? (if they dislike each other so much, why band together for something like this?)

 

greetings LAX

[AlleyD]

For me, the Crucible wave is the most logical solution to the issue of how ME species arrive in Andromeda. It requires no additional elements to be inserted into the timeline of the existing trilogy and as such maintains the integrity of that generation of games better than any solution that requires these elements to function, such as an ARK or Wormhole.

[Samahl na Revas]

But why would they take all the races? (if they dislike each other so much, why band together for something like this?)

 

greetings LAX

 

Yep, which is why I like part of sH0tgUn jUliA post (page 2) that Arkcon has to relate to the Asari in someway as an initial source. On another note, I am not sure if we know for sure that all the races are coming along for the ride. For example, I haven't heard anything about the Salarians.

 

The whole problem with Andromeda is Bioware being afraid to set in stone some canon events. Which is why I'm keeping an eye out for the whole Genophage issue and if it gets mentioned in MEA.

 

I think this is a great Theory but the plausibility suffers a bit. Something as valuable as the Ark would make its way to TIM, well.

[Monica21]

I never said my dislike of it wasn't subjective, so what's your point? 

 

 

Because when you try to explain away getting to Andromeda after the events of ME3 it becomes a much more convoluted process. Yeah, you can say, "We just decided to go there" because that's usually the reason we climb Everest and land on the moon. But for plot purposes I just don't think it'll work, especially if you try to handwave a synthesis ending and treat them like regular organics with a little bit of altered dialogue.

 

The only ending that leaves the threat of the Reapers is Refuse. Control and Synthesis have the Reapers as allies, not enemies. 

 

Do people really believe this? The Catalyst lied by saying that Shepard would also be killed by choosing Destroy, so what's to prevent him from lying about the other options? There's absolutely no reason to believe the Catalyst is telling the truth about Control and Synthesis.

[JasonShepard]

The Catalyst lied by saying that Shepard would also be killed by choosing Destroy, so what's to prevent him from lying about the other options? There's absolutely no reason to believe the Catalyst is telling the truth about Control and Synthesis.

 

No, he didn't.

 

He said that all synthetics would be targeted, then he said that Shepard was partly synthetic. He never, on a high EMS ending, says anything about Shepard definitely dying in Destroy. At best, his dialogue implies Shepard might die.

 

And there's every reason to believe the Catalyst is telling the truth - because if you believe he's lying, then you've got no choice available to you. If you believe the Catalyst is lying, then you can't trust any of the options, so you can't use the Crucible, so everyone you care about is going to die.

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

I like this idea a lot. Good way to cut off Andromeda from the Milky Way to start anew.

[PlatonicWaffles]

It's a cool theory, but I hope this isn't true. If it is true, it just reeks of BioWare unwilling to actually confront and clean up the mess they've made. Will the rest of the Mass Effect universe products from now on take place in only Andromeda so we don't have to go back to the Milky Way and explain what went on?

[Monica21]

No, he didn't.

 

He said that all synthetics would be targeted, then he said that Shepard was partly synthetic. He never, on a high EMS ending, says anything about Shepard definitely dying in Destroy. At best, his dialogue implies Shepard might die.

 

And there's every reason to believe the Catalyst is telling the truth - because if you believe he's lying, then you've got no choice available to you. If you believe the Catalyst is lying, then you can't trust any of the options, so you can't use the Crucible, so everyone you care about is going to die.

 

Okay, fine.    I'll rewatch the ending on YouTube, but what I got from the conversation was him saying that you'd die by choosing Destroy because you're just a lot of parts now.

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

It's a cool theory, but I hope this isn't true. If it is true, it just reeks of BioWare unwilling to actually confront and clean up the mess they've made. Will the rest of the Mass Effect universe products from now on take place in only Andromeda so we don't have to go back to the Milky Way and explain what went on?

Personally i think it would be good if they did that.

[Danny Boy 7]

 

 

 

Sure. I'll go panel by panel. 

 

 

 

1) It starts with yet another Deus Ex Machina device located in the ruins of Mars. It's also illogical that the Protheans would hide all of their Reaper countermeasures in a single location rather than spreading them out. 

 

2) The Cipher was not needed for everything else found in the Mars ruins. Both the basic Mass Effect technology schematics and the Crucible schematics were practically spoonfed to us with how simple to understand they were made to be. And only Shepard has the Cipher, yet was not involved with the project at any point in time. 

 

3) There is no way this was kept secret. Humanity didn't know there was anyone to keep it secret from at that point, and a discovery like this would have been front page news all over human space. 

 

 

 

1. Well it says that it leads to the Ark, not that it was there, so it could have been a map for all we know. You never know what type of data-file/cache it was. If it was a list of plans to take on the Reapers you might keep it grouped with other stuff regardless of the threat of discovery. Chances are in 50,000 years all of that information could be gone anyway and if the races of the galaxy have been passing on these plans for centuries and the Reapers didn't know than they could have been fairly certain it wouldn't be discovered now.

 

2. I'm pretty sure Mass Effect technology was discovered, but it took some time to reverse engineer it (could have been decades I have to look it up) before we had the precursor to the present technology. I think what the OP was getting at though was that while humanity had found the Ark they didn't know what it did or how it worked at the time. Hell Ark is just for ease of our understanding. And even if they did know that it was some sort of Ark doesn't mean they knew what for.

 

3. Each other? Governments find reasons to keep secrets from their citizens all the time and for the most part they do so fairly well. That and even if it wasn't a secret there's no reason it would have been on everyone's (read: Joe Six Pack) mind 25 years later especially since again it's purpose wasn't yet known. It was all research into purpose and use at this point.

1) Again, the ark would not be secret. Humanity would have revealed it to the Council races to earn points with them, just like we did all the other Prothean stuff we found. Even so, a bunch of the Council races' top scientists disappearing for some secret mission would draw attention. 

 

2) So Liara is a backstabber now? And how would she even be able to help. They still need the Cipher according to this timeline, and she doesn't have it. We know this because she doesn't understand Prothean while Shepard does. 

 

 

 

 

1. What would they have gained though? Again it's a giant paper weight with only a modicum of research being done on it. Prothean ruins are much more recognizably useful and we discovered it BEFORE the First Contact War. Even if we did show it to the Council they could have just dismissed it as easily as they dismissed Sovreign. 

 

2. What? She's in contact with Hackett who is decidedly on Shepard's side. How does that make her a backstabber? And who knows he could have just asked her to take a look at it because like Shepard she has had contact with the images the Prothean beacon gave him/her and is an expert it not only Protheans, but Reapers (as far as Reaper experts go) as well.
 

1) At that time all the races of the Milky Way are already devoting everything to either defending their worlds of to the Crucible. Also, why would they purposefully put stress on Shepard and the others by keeping a contingency secret, when telling them would be a tactically sound move since it relieves some of the stress knowing that everything does not depend on them. 

 

 

 

1. We don't know what's actually required resource wise for this though. We're supposedly not building anything, but it could have just been additional research teams, teams that could have been archaeologists or some other non-combat role. As for Shepard....woops...I dunno, he doesn't need to know everything and even then the contingency isn't everyone's main focus. The plan is to fight, not run. I know that's a bit of a cheap answer, but really Shepard not being informed of something he's not directly involved in is the easiest thing to explain away.
 

1) You can't secretly amass a flotilla of evacuees, live ships, agricultural vessels, resource processing platforms, and fabrication systems. A move of that scale will draw attention. Even the Crucible was known to be in production by the galaxy, and that was only involving military and scientists. When civilians get involved, the leaks will increase exponentially. 

 

 

 

1. Yeah, but for every Crucible you have a Lazarus Project/any other hundred Cerberus initiatives. Just because it's known doesn't mean it's well known, plus that type of information needs time to spread which it might not have given the war time. Again this is all just assuming this isn't something that people outside of Shepard's circle were aware of. 

 

1) So we are going to be playing as a coward? 

 

2) Why destroy the Ark? Even if the Reapers followed, they'd have to search the entire Andromeda galaxy for a single flotilla.

 

 

 

1. Are refugees of genocide cowards?

 

2.  It doesn't say whether or not it's deliberate, could just as well been damaged previously and the activation and use broke it. But if it was deliberate I think what they meant was to prevent a Reaper who was already following them or immediately behind them which would be bad for a single flotilla with a civilian population to worry about.

[Danny Boy 7]

It's a cool theory, but I hope this isn't true. If it is true, it just reeks of BioWare unwilling to actually confront and clean up the mess they've made. Will the rest of the Mass Effect universe products from now on take place in only Andromeda so we don't have to go back to the Milky Way and explain what went on?

I think it's just an easy way to not bog down any new plot in the specifics of the endings at least for a while. Either we get a really thin explanation or the story spends way too much time trying to explain it. Those aren't the only two options, but that's what we've seen before in games and other entertainment. I think it's smart to focus on the new setting and just pepper the story with a little bit of the effects later on.

 

I doubt it, I mean they could explain the events post-ME3 MW in a comic or novel, maybe even have us return in the next trilogy or something.

[Ghostknob]

It could very well be that the ark wasnt Prothean in origin and that other species have used it in the past. I find it hard to believe that somewhere over the course of the hundreds of millions of years the cycles were going on that some other race didn't find a way out. For all we know the catalyst built the relay networks to not only accelerate the process but prevent divergent tech from emerging. Perhaps early in the process it nearly met it's match in that tech that was outside of its plans created a serious threat.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

1. Well it says that it leads to the Ark, not that it was there, so it could have been a map for all we know. You never know what type of data-file/cache it was. If it was a list of plans to take on the Reapers you might keep it grouped with other stuff regardless of the threat of discovery. Chances are in 50,000 years all of that information could be gone anyway and if the races of the galaxy have been passing on these plans for centuries and the Reapers didn't know than they could have been fairly certain it wouldn't be discovered now.

 

2. I'm pretty sure Mass Effect technology was discovered, but it took some time to reverse engineer it (could have been decades I have to look it up) before we had the precursor to the present technology. I think what the OP was getting at though was that while humanity had found the Ark they didn't know what it did or how it worked at the time. Hell Ark is just for ease of our understanding. And even if they did know that it was some sort of Ark doesn't mean they knew what for.

 

3. Each other? Governments find reasons to keep secrets from their citizens all the time and for the most part they do so fairly well. That and even if it wasn't a secret there's no reason it would have been on everyone's (read: Joe Six Pack) mind 25 years later especially since again it's purpose wasn't yet known. It was all research into purpose and use at this point.

1. Doesn't matter if it was buried on Mars or the map to it was. It is still yet another DEM discovered in the same data cache. And keeping a list of all the Anti-Reaper measures in a single location is tactically unsound and something the Protheans wouldn't do from what we've seen of them. 

 

2. It took less than a year between discovery of Mass Effect technology and utilization of it, but that is because the information was kept stupid simple for humanity to use. Meanwhile this ark is still completely baffling all the races involved decades after its discovery but then all of a sudden they have perfect understanding of it? 

 

3. Except our nations are all allies under the Systems Alliance at this time. There is no reason to keep the ark secret from people, instead treating it as simple a marvelous archaeological discovery. And even if it wasn't on everyone's mind when the Shepard Trilogy occurs, it would still have been a big discovery and thus there would be records of it that Shepard and others would know. 

 

1. What would they have gained though? Again it's a giant paper weight with only a modicum of research being done on it. Prothean ruins are much more recognizably useful and we discovered it BEFORE the First Contact War. Even if we did show it to the Council they could have just dismissed it as easily as they dismissed Sovreign. 

 

2. What? She's in contact with Hackett who is decidedly on Shepard's side. How does that make her a backstabber? And who knows he could have just asked her to take a look at it because like Shepard she has had contact with the images the Prothean beacon gave him/her and is an expert it not only Protheans, but Reapers (as far as Reaper experts go) as well.

1. Well, they would have gained brownie points with the the Citadel races who may have been able to help crack the code. Plus secretly hoarding Prothean data is against Council law and the Alliance wouldn't want to get in trouble. It wasn't working for them so they have nothing to lose and much to gain by sharing it. 

 

2. Yes, going behind Shepard's back and keeping things that could have eased Shepard's stress is backstabbing them. I'll say the same thing about Hackett and anyone else who knew but didn't tell anyone else. And Liara only understood those images because Shepard has the Cipher. Without them, Liara has no secret knowledge of the Protheans. 

 

1. We don't know what's actually required resource wise for this though. We're supposedly not building anything, but it could have just been additional research teams, teams that could have been archaeologists or some other non-combat role. As for Shepard....woops...I dunno, he doesn't need to know everything and even then the contingency isn't everyone's main focus. The plan is to fight, not run. I know that's a bit of a cheap answer, but really Shepard not being informed of something he's not directly involved in is the easiest thing to explain away.

Yes, Shepard needs to know that not everything relies on them and that there are other plans. Not telling them is intentionally straining Shepard, and people who are strained can snap, becoming worthless in military operations. 

 

1. Yeah, but for every Crucible you have a Lazarus Project/any other hundred Cerberus initiatives. Just because it's known doesn't mean it's well known, plus that type of information needs time to spread which it might not have given the war time. Again this is all just assuming this isn't something that people outside of Shepard's circle were aware of. 

And most people I've seen thought the Lazarus Project was stupid. I'd rather not have the entire franchise from this point forward based on something on an even higher lever of ridiculous than the Lazarus Project. 

The Crucible wasn't discovered until after the Reaper War started, and news of it still spreaded around. Something that has been around longer would have spread by then. 

 

1. Are refugees of genocide cowards?

 

2.  It doesn't say whether or not it's deliberate, could just as well been damaged previously and the activation and use broke it. But if it was deliberate I think what they meant was to prevent a Reaper who was already following them or immediately behind them which would be bad for a single flotilla with a civilian population to worry about.

1. Technically, yes. Regardless, we aren't a refugee. We are a soldier since we have combat training. 

 

2. Ships are impossible to track in FTL. All they'd have to do is jump to FTL the moment they used the transporter and they'd shake the Reaper following them. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I didnt chose synthesis for a green glow in the eyes... If they ever return to the Milky Way and say "oh yeah, synthesis ending was just a glow in the eyes and it faded anyway" or reference it as "yeah, there was some strange green glow but it has no effect now" that would suck. Anyway i think Mac Walters is too proud to erase his own endings. The best thing EA can do is to totally ignore in some way the ending of ME. No reference, no nothing, a perfect dodge.

I never said it was just the glow. I said with the glow fading Synthesis would be functionally(as in gameplay) the same as the other endings. 

How is never bringing it up again a good thing?

 

 

Because when you try to explain away getting to Andromeda after the events of ME3 it becomes a much more convoluted process. Yeah, you can say, "We just decided to go there" because that's usually the reason we climb Everest and land on the moon. But for plot purposes I just don't think it'll work, especially if you try to handwave a synthesis ending and treat them like regular organics with a little bit of altered dialogue.

 

 

Do people really believe this? The Catalyst lied by saying that Shepard would also be killed by choosing Destroy, so what's to prevent him from lying about the other options? There's absolutely no reason to believe the Catalyst is telling the truth about Control and Synthesis.

Convoluted perhaps, but I'd take convoluted over contrived like the Ark Theory is. And just because you don't think it can work doesn't mean it can't. 

 

As JasonShepard said, the Catalyst never said Shepard would die but merely implied Shepard might die, which is true with low and mid EMS Destroy. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Yep, which is why I like part of sH0tgUn jUliA post (page 2) that Arkcon has to relate to the Asari in someway as an initial source. On another note, I am not sure if we know for sure that all the races are coming along for the ride. For example, I haven't heard anything about the Salarians.

 

The whole problem with Andromeda is Bioware being afraid to set in stone some canon events. Which is why I'm keeping an eye out for the whole Genophage issue and if it gets mentioned in MEA.

 

I think this is a great Theory but the plausibility suffers a bit. Something as valuable as the Ark would make its way to TIM, well.

 

The genophage cure can get worked around - see the cure only affects Tuchanka. The Krogan in the Ark were taken from Garvug! There you go. Now you have Krogan population control.

[exboomer]

A very plausible timeline except there is the time passage issue (see the movie Interstellar for an explanation) since the Ark would have to be basically a wormhole.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Construction of the mass relays .... the extent of the relay system, the amount of  cycles, the harvesting, the entire thing was preposterous. The odds of the number of garden worlds producing intelligent life all those cycles was astronomically small. Not to mention that the relays took a lot of resources to build, and last  but not least, the reapers aren't know for their manual dexterity. Besides, a star cluster with about 10 planets in it is large enough. You don't really visit that many more in the enitre game anyway. And don't give me this ... ME1 had all this  exploration. The exploration was sh*t. The concept was nice but all the worlds looked the same except for the color of the sky. Well, therum had lava and Virmire had actual vegetation.

Not really. With the number of Reapers, how fast they can move, and how long the harvests take it is actually quite feasible. And the number of garden worlds capable of producing intelligent life is estimated to be in the tens of thousands in our galaxy, so only a couple dozen in a cycle is very possible. The Reapers are shown rebuilding the Mass Relays in the Control ending, so we know they can do it. And they could always have the husks of a race help build it, like they had the Collectors start building a new Reaper in ME2. Where did you get a star cluster with only ten planets? Bioware has been selling how huge this game is going to feel, and that it's four times larger than any other Mass Effect game. With that many planets, the cluster would have to dozens or hundreds of light years across, making conventional FTL impractical but perfect size for Secondary Mass Relays. 

 

And who cares about the reapers or leviathans anyway? Who is going to remember them in 2016? They were a bad thing. I'm glad that the trilogy is done.

 

I would not write the plot having anything to do with the reapers. Maybe in the beginning have something about the war and when they left but leave it behind and done.

I care, and I'll remember. So will many other fans. They had great potential as villains and without them we wouldn't have Mass Effect because everyone's technology is based off Reaper tech. 

 

 

Maybe our own colonists will build their own mass relays? Why does a relay system have to be there already for us? Why does everything advance have to be handed to us by some more advanced aliens? It already has. The Protheans. So we have the technology already. I'm sure they didn't leave all that knowledge behind. Use it. It'll take a while. Maybe they'll only get two built by the time we're playing this game, but they have to start somewhere.

 

And  the scientists? By the time we got to Thessia, pretty much all we needed on the Crucible was the Catalyst. So I'm sure that after Cerberus intercepted it, Hackett told about 95% of  the scientists to go to the Ark. Those remaining the techs would finish it up. There you go, I got the scientists on the Ark.

 

And Andromeda developing along similar lines? Technologically or genetically? Who cares? I'm sure the writers will make them similar. It's usually that way. It doesn't have to be an ass pull either.

The idea that a small flotilla of colonists building something we couldn't when we had an entire galaxy is laughable. We don't have the technology or capacity to build Mass Relays. Aethyta proposed it and she got laughed at by the other Asari Matriarchs. Even the Protheans who were far more advanced than us were only able to build a miniature Mass Relay with the Conduit.

 

You know Thessia takes place like a week before the endings, right? The scientists would have no time to do everything that's needed to be done for the ark even if they were no longer needed for the Crucible which there is no evidence for.

 

Having them just randomly develop to be akin to us is a contrived pull. At least if they were influenced by Reapers like us it would have a lore explanation.