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[Drone223]

Of course there are. And there are a lot of stories left in the wizarding world after the Battle of Hogwarts. J.K. Rowling chose not to tell those stories. Bioware doesn't have to tell you a story they don't want to tell.

Except Shepard was never the main focus of the ME series just the three games, there's also plenty of EU material that doesn't involve Shepard. Moving to another galaxy is also just unnecessary since most of the MW is unexplored a game of exploration can easily be done in the MW.

[AsheraII]

More or less the timeline I suspect, allowing us to bring whatever species we can save before the final decisions through the Ark. Reducing the variable species to Krogan (because of the Genophage) and the Rachni (Depends on Novaria).

 

All other species, including Quarians and Geth, can be transfered prior to any significant decisions. Or even, dispite significant decisions. Legion can donate a copy of his processes for transfer, while there's plenty Quarians on pilgrimage to send through, both before and after the final Geth war.

 

For the Krogans, cloning or another Genophage cure would be an option.

For the Rachni.. I'm gonna miss them, I thought it an interesting species that I would've liked to see a bit more fleshed out.

[Oldren Shepard]

Maybe I misinterpreted you, but I thought you were saying you were hoping your ending would influence Andromeda somehow. Gamble literally said there is no canon ending, and the only way to do that is to ignore them altogether.

No canon means, they're not going to choose one of the endings and continue with it, i imagine (and hope) they let us choose some previous choices like in the previous games for the background (earthborn, colonist, spacer) something like that.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

More or less the timeline I suspect, allowing us to bring whatever species we can save before the final decisions through the Ark. Reducing the variable species to Krogan (because of the Genophage) and the Rachni (Depends on Novaria).

 

All other species, including Quarians and Geth, can be transfered prior to any significant decisions. Or even, dispite significant decisions. Legion can donate a copy of his processes for transfer, while there's plenty Quarians on pilgrimage to send through, both before and after the final Geth war.

 

For the Krogans, cloning or another Genophage cure would be an option.

For the Rachni.. I'm gonna miss them, I thought it an interesting species that I would've liked to see a bit more fleshed out.

The Salarians could always have acquired a Rachni Queen Egg and bring it along. The egg hatches and a new hive of Rachni can be formed. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Maybe I misinterpreted you, but I thought you were saying you were hoping your ending would influence Andromeda somehow. Gamble literally said there is no canon ending, and the only way to do that is to ignore them altogether.

No, it can also mean that any ending can work. Dragon Age has no canon either, but that doesn't mean it ignores your decisions. 

[CapnManx]

In principle I have no problem with Ark theory; but it mystifies me why anyone would call it an 'Ark' then assume it to be anything other than a stonking big spaceship plainly designed to carry large numbers of people great distances.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Every theory that relies on several things happening just so becomes increasingly more unlikely the more factors are added.

 

Even without that, there is one huge problem in the theory: Every species was giving their all for the final battle, all their resources went into the Crucible or their fleets. Who held back and didn't commit fully to the war effort so they could build a second fleet? Hackett? That goes completely against the character.

 

I mean, building the Crucible was insane already. "Hey, we found incomplete plans of something we don't know what it is and we want to redirect all resources to build it. No, we don't know what it does and it seems no cycle before us got it to work." - "Sure, let's build it, it might be our only chance!" *headdesk*

 

And now you're proposing that a second insane project existed and people built it, too? It was unbelievable the first time... I don't even have the words to describe the second time.

 

Of course, BioWare is probably going to make it work as long as you don't look at it directly. Because no matter how you spin it, withholding the resources and personnel means backstabbing Shepard's efforts to defeat the Reapers. The entire galaxy comes together and throws everything but the kitchen sink at the Reapers and some shady backroom dealers decide they would rather run away? And those are the "heroes" of the new game? Well, let's go all the way and play as villains then. Let's conquer Andromeda! Nothing we do here will be half as bad as condemning an entire galaxy to their fate for selfish reasons.

[DarthSliver]

What if the Ark is a Prothean built ship found in the darkest corner of the galaxy like the Protheans had the same idea or they were planning to expand their territory to another galaxy before the sh*t hit the fan with the Reaper invasion. We find the ship eroding in an Asteroid belt and all we have to do is repair so it can do what its purpose was, to traverse to another Galaxy. The reason for why the ship of this Magitude could be withheld from us because we could probably be making active repairs systems and suchs after we repaired it enough so it could traverse space between Galaxies. It could be like the Citadel in a way because we know Protheans were building stuff to mimic Mass Relays, who is to say they weren't trying to mimic the Citadel itself but never fully finished the project or whatever due to the Reaper Invasion in their cycle. 

 

This kind of ship could be reason to give us more insight of Protheans and maybe the ship already has a self-sustain power source like the Citadel and there are stasis pods on it. But I think its not too farfetch because we know the Protheans were out touch with each other mostly after the Reaper Invasion so they had to as individuals try to survive. Their Ark ship we find may not actually be completely designed to be an "Ark ship" but means of central command when the ship hits the new Galaxy. The Protheans saved us once in ME1 so why not have them give us the means to traverse to another galaxy. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

What if the Ark is a Prothean built ship found in the darkest corner of the galaxy like the Protheans had the same idea or they were planning to expand their territory to another galaxy before the sh*t hit the fan with the Reaper invasion. We find the ship eroding in an Asteroid belt and all we have to do is repair so it can do what its purpose was, to traverse to another Galaxy. The reason for why the ship of this Magitude could be withheld from us because we could probably be making active repairs systems and suchs after we repaired it enough so it could traverse space between Galaxies. It could be like the Citadel in a way because we know Protheans were building stuff to mimic Mass Relays, who is to say they weren't trying to mimic the Citadel itself but never fully finished the project or whatever due to the Reaper Invasion in their cycle. 

 

This kind of ship could be reason to give us more insight of Protheans and maybe the ship already has a self-sustain power source like the Citadel and there are stasis pods on it. But I think its not too farfetch because we know the Protheans were out touch with each other mostly after the Reaper Invasion so they had to as individuals try to survive. Their Ark ship we find may not actually be completely designed to be an "Ark ship" but means of central command when the ship hits the new Galaxy. The Protheans saved us once in ME1 so why not have them give us the means to traverse to another galaxy. 

 

That would mean the Protheans treated it as yet another secret project for which no files were left when the Reapers came, otherwise they would have destroyed it. The war against the Reapers didn't take so long because the Protheans had a chance, it lasted because the Reaper methodically hunted down every single Prothean, eradicaded almost all traces of them and then removed all knowledge of the cycles.

 

It's unlikely that there was a second surviving secret like Ilos.

[Vortex13]

That would mean the Protheans treated it as yet another secret project for which no files were left when the Reapers came, otherwise they would have destroyed it. The war against the Reapers didn't take so long because the Protheans had a chance, it lasted because the Reaper methodically hunted down every single Prothean, eradicaded almost all traces of them and then removed all knowledge of the cycles.

 

It's unlikely that there was a second surviving secret like Ilos.

 

 

Well the Reapers are pretty horrible at their jobs when it comes to stopping plans that they were aware of for several cycles, plans for a weapon that could destroy them all so…...

[DaemionMoadrin]

Well the Reapers are pretty horrible at their jobs when it comes to stopping plans that they were aware of for several cycles, plans for a weapon that could destroy them all so…...

 

To be fair, everyone in ME is terrible at their job.

 

Can't name anyone who actually impressed me...

[Vortex13]

To be fair, everyone in ME is terrible at their job.

 

Can't name anyone who actually impressed me...

 

 

The Reapers should've unionized.

[DarthSliver]

That would mean the Protheans treated it as yet another secret project for which no files were left when the Reapers came, otherwise they would have destroyed it. The war against the Reapers didn't take so long because the Protheans had a chance, it lasted because the Reaper methodically hunted down every single Prothean, eradicaded almost all traces of them and then removed all knowledge of the cycles.

 

It's unlikely that there was a second surviving secret like Ilos.

 

Not really Ilos makes you realize that the Protheans kept things from each other so that can be used for their Ark Ship just laying around in a Asteroid belt with Asteroids the size that is depicted in Star Wars.

[DarthSliver]

Also if the Reapers did their job right than explain how Shepard discovers the Reaper threat in the first place lol. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

Not really Ilos makes you realize that the Protheans kept things from each other so that can be used for their Ark Ship just laying around in a Asteroid belt with Asteroids the size that is depicted in Star Wars.

 

The information about Ilos was destroyed when the Reapers attacked. They got lucky. That's all.

[Salfurium]

The council knew the reapers were coming after the battle of the citadel (see citadel archive entry). Knowing that the asari were pretty backstabbing with their secret prothean artifact I could totally imagine them developing evacuation plans in secret and even just masking it as an exploration mission for andromeda if it had ever leaked.

Research into the "geth" dreadnought has likely started and Anderson stating that a lot of sovereign's parts went missing could also hint that each of the races took a good chunk of it in secret (even though it must be pretty hard to smuggle gigantic ship parts off a very heavily populated station).

[DaemionMoadrin]

The council knew the reapers were coming after the battle of the citadel (see citadel archive entry). Knowing that the asari were pretty backstabbing with their secret prothean artifact I could totally imagine them developing evacuation plans in secret and even just masking it as an exploration mission for andromeda if it had ever leaked.

Research into the "geth" dreadnought has likely started and Anderson stating that a lot of sovereign's parts went missing could also hint that each of the races took a good chunk of it in secret (even though it must be pretty hard to smuggle gigantic ship parts off a very heavily populated station).

 

Yeah no. If they used parts of an actual reaper to build it, then the crew will be indoctrinated by the time they reach Andromeda.

[Salfurium]

Yeah no. If they used parts of an actual reaper to build it, then the crew will be indoctrinated by the time they reach Andromeda.

Agreed, but research into the reapers inner workings was possible otherwise we would not have had Thanix canons. So actual parts could probably not have been used but technology discovered through research could.

[Vortex13]

I could never understand why the concept of unmanned drones never occurred to any of the scientists trying to reverse engineer Reaper tech. 

 

 

Scientist 1: "Our people keep getting indoctrinated by that Reaper drive core we're investigating. Should we use those drones and VI interfaces we have sitting over here sifting through all of this data for us, and directing people to appropriate areas of the research site?"

 

Scientist 2: "Nah. It's obvious that Reaper tech is too dangerous to study. Lets destroy these remains and try to put together those Crucible plans that Shepard found."

 

 

 

 

At the very least, the galaxy could have let the Rachni look into the debris, seeing as how they are immune to the effects of indoctrination. 

[Ahriman]

Yeah no. If they used parts of an actual reaper to build it, then the crew will be indoctrinated by the time they reach Andromeda.

Leviathan DLC showed that these parts can be easily shielded to prevent indoctrination.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Leviathan DLC showed that these parts can be easily shielded to prevent indoctrination.

 

Yeah... about that... remember the Asari in Saren's base on Virmire? The one who studied Indoctrination? She told us that Indoctrination can't be scanned or measured. It's no radiation or sound wave or whatever.

 

Suddendly we have shields that can protect against Indoctrination, an effect no one can explain, see or measure. How exactly do you construct a shield that blocks something unknown?

 

The problem is... ME is not consistent in itself, the plot has more holes than a net and the "science" makes no sense. It's fine as long as you don't think about it because the moment you do, everything falls apart. I may have made a thread and a couple dozen posts about that.

[Ahriman]

Yeah... about that... remember the Asari in Saren's base on Virmire? The one who studied Indoctrination? She told us that Indoctrination can't be scanned or measured. It's no radiation or sound wave or whatever.

 

Half an hour later we meet VI which can detect indoctrinated.

 

 

The problem is... ME is not consistent in itself, the plot has more holes than a net and the "science" makes no sense. It's fine as long as you don't think about it because the moment you do, everything falls apart. I may have made a thread and a couple dozen posts about that.

Well... yeah. The only thing we can hope for is just less of it.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Half an hour later we meet VI which can detect indoctrinated.

 

Indocrinated person, yes. Indoctrination itself? No.

 

It's all a big mess. I wanted to rewrite the entire story to make more sense and be consistent and I never got anywhere because Sovereign wins before Shepard even makes it to the Citadel if I use my normal human intelligence to make a plan. An ancient hyper-intelligence would be even more effective. Alternatively I could change the story so the galaxy stands a chance but I wouldn't be able to keep more than ~10% of the original story.

 

The best part was Saren the Geth cyborg telling the Council during a video call that he is not involved with the Geth and they believed it immediately. Or Nihlus simply accepting that this Spectre in front of him is half machine, has no official orders and that his story makes no sense. Or Sovereign showing himself on Eden Prime when he didn't have to. Or Saren/Sovereign going to Eden Prime in the first place, when they had no idea what the Conduit even was.

[Ahriman]

It's all a big mess. I wanted to rewrite the entire story to make more sense and be consistent and I never got anywhere because Sovereign wins before Shepard even makes it to the Citadel if I use my normal human intelligence to make a plan. An ancient hyper-intelligence would be even more effective. Alternatively I could change the story so the galaxy stands a chance but I wouldn't be able to keep more than ~10% of the original story.

 

The best part was Saren the Geth cyborg telling the Council during a video call that he is not involved with the Geth and they believed it immediately. Or Nihlus simply accepting that this Spectre in front of him is half machine, has no official orders and that his story makes no sense. Or Sovereign showing himself on Eden Prime when he didn't have to. Or Saren/Sovereign going to Eden Prime in the first place, when they had no idea what the Conduit even was.

They had team of professional writers working on it, limited by time and game borders. I don't think any of us could do better on their place.

Perhaps things could be better if they had only one writer working on main plot instead of bunch of people pulling it in different directions. At least Karpyshin's blog on that matter gave me such impression.

[Amplitudelol]

Indocrinated person, yes. Indoctrination itself? No.

 

It's all a big mess. I wanted to rewrite the entire story to make more sense and be consistent and I never got anywhere because Sovereign wins before Shepard even makes it to the Citadel if I use my normal human intelligence to make a plan. An ancient hyper-intelligence would be even more effective. Alternatively I could change the story so the galaxy stands a chance but I wouldn't be able to keep more than ~10% of the original story.

 

The best part was Saren the Geth cyborg telling the Council during a video call that he is not involved with the Geth and they believed it immediately. Or Nihlus simply accepting that this Spectre in front of him is half machine, has no official orders and that his story makes no sense. Or Sovereign showing himself on Eden Prime when he didn't have to. Or Saren/Sovereign going to Eden Prime in the first place, when they had no idea what the Conduit even was.

 

Star Wars has wizards called Jedi/Sith who go with light emitting swords against machine guns and the the engineers in the empire designed a hole on the deathstar in case someone wanted to destroy the whole thing with one shot. Cant say more because im not a fan. Star Wars is still one of the best sci-fi for a lot of people. If you get too realistic its not cool anymore. Just think of exploding cars in action movies!  crash -> explosion every time, its so hilarious. But it looks cool and you dont give a damn that it shouldnt happen. I think Garrus, Wrex, Joker, Javik and the others, the scenes and places they made up with immersive music make up for the plotholes, even for the ending (with extended cut).