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[Amplitudelol]

They had team of professional writers working on it, limited by time and game borders. I don't think any of us could do better on their place.

Perhaps things could be better if they had only one writer working on main plot instead of bunch of people pulling it in different directions. At least Karpyshin's blog on that matter gave me such impression.

 

Yeah in ME1 the reapers impose order on the chaotic evolution of organics, in ME2 they prevent the dark matter apocalypse by building hybrid human reaper, in ME3 they protect organic life from certain extinction. That happens if different writers make up different things as they go.

[DaemionMoadrin]

They had team of professional writers working on it, limited by time and game borders. I don't think any of us could do better on their place.

Perhaps things could be better if they had only one writer working on main plot instead of bunch of people pulling it in different directions. At least Karpyshin's blog on that matter gave me such impression.

 

I could. Hell, I'm sure lots of people could. Write a coherent story with these elements? That's not that difficult. The entertainment value might not be as great though, I just can't write funny scenes.

 

 

Star Wars has wizards called Jedi/Sith who go with light emitting swords against machine guns and the the engineers in the empire designed a hole on the deathstar in case someone wanted to destroy the whole thing with one shot. Cant say more because im not a fan. Star Wars is still one of the best sci-fi for a lot of people. If you get too realistic its not cool anymore. Just think of exploding cars in action movies!  crash -> explosion every time, its so hilarious. But it looks cool and you dont give a damn that it shouldnt happen. I think Garrus, Wrex, Joker, Javik and the others, the scenes and places they made up with immersive music make up for the plotholes, even for the ending (with extended cut).

 

Don't get me started on Star Wars. It's a fairy tale. It's not sci-fi either. George Lucas wanted magic swords, so we got light sabers. The Force? Magic!

 

Sentient AIs basically living as enslaved second class, all troubles in the galaxy stemming from differences in force user philosophies (which are both nonsense and unrealistic) and more stupid decisions than I could list without feeling the need to get drunk.

 

Still a fan though.

[Maniccc]

Why not?

 

Why go to Mars when there's the moon?

 

Why cross the Atlantic when there's Europe?

 

Why live in caves when there's plenty of open Savannah?

 

 

The Milky Way is full of meddling council races... ARK could be no different than the Puritans deciding they've had enough of the "Old World" and setting off for pastures new... just on a much bigger scale.

Nope.  Almost all of the Milky Way is unexplored.  And of the tiny bit that is explored, much of it is not withing the Council's authority/is in independent space.

[Amplitudelol]

I could. Hell, I'm sure lots of people could. Write a coherent story with these elements? That's not that difficult. The entertainment value might not be as great though, I just can't write funny scenes.

 

 

 

Don't get me started on Star Wars. It's a fairy tale. It's not sci-fi either. George Lucas wanted magic swords, so we got light sabers. The Force? Magic!

 

Sentient AIs basically living as enslaved second class, all troubles in the galaxy stemming from differences in force user philosophies (which are both nonsense and unrealistic) and more stupid decisions than I could list without feeling the need to get drunk.

 

Still a fan though.

 

AIs are never treated properly. Only with current technology their conscious thinking would have the capacity of an i7 processor, lol. How did the geth not hit everything with every single shot? And they almost lost their war against the quarrians. They should be able to consider millions of scenarios in seconds The series

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Person of Interest

got this right. Their intellectual level compared to quarrians should be like humans to ants. How come EDI didnt cure the genophage in 1 second? Humans outsmarting AI is more hilarious than always exploding vehicles . Reapers saw the giant microphone approaching the citadel and said **** it? I liked EDI tough.

[Salfurium]

I have never seen a "realistic" AI in fiction, we tend to anthropomorphise them a lot. An AGI doesn't have to be godlike from the very beginning as its model of reality isn't necessarily accurate. But if it is given a chance to improve itself it will soon outperform every organic being at everything. Most AIs in fiction even have a personality like we do, which I find ridiculous. But then again it's fiction, AI is basically just sci-fi elves and I'm fine with that.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Yeah no. If they used parts of an actual reaper to build it, then the crew will be indoctrinated by the time they reach Andromeda.

 

It's only certain types of reaper tech that is bad. There's good reaper tech - stuff that the good guys use. And bad reaper tech - stuff that villains use.

 

I mean Shepard has reaper tech inside - or at least stuff based on Reaper tech. EDI was built from parts from Sovereign and so was part reaper tech, but she was one of the good guys, hence her reaper tech was good reaper tech. The Illusive Man was a villain, so the stuff he used for his own purpose was bad reaper tech. Amanda Kenson was a villain, and the reaper tech she found had to be bad. Using reaper tech to escape the reapers if it were commissioned by Admiral Hackett (a good guy), or a group made up of people who wanted to save people from the reapers (other good guys) it would be good reaper tech.

 

Good reaper tech does not indoctrinate. Only bad reaper tech indoctrinates.

 

Do you understand the difference?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I have never seen a "realistic" AI in fiction, we tend to anthropomorphise them a lot. An AGI doesn't have to be godlike from the very beginning as its model of reality isn't necessarily accurate. But if it is given a chance to improve itself it will soon outperform every organic being at everything. Most AIs in fiction even have a personality like we do, which I find ridiculous. But then again it's fiction, AI is basically just sci-fi elves and I'm fine with that.

 

But the there are several things that are very bad in stories.

 

Super AIs - AIs have to have limitations. If they do not, it makes for very bad writing. And what's a realistic AI. We've never seen one.

Super Ninjas - Kai Lame - need I say more? If this character was written in ME3 up to his full potential Shepard would have been dead. The only way these characters can fail is due to carrying the idiot ball.

Super Heroes - Shepard - Survives death, kills thresher maws and reapers on foot, survives a blast from a reaper, survives an exploding plasma conduit and finally survives an exploding Citadel. The character never fails at anything. A momentary loss with a little moping causes rage in the fan base. The character doesn't even have a kryptonite.

[Salfurium]

Super Heroes - Shepard - Survives death, kills thresher maws and reapers on foot, survives a blast from a reaper, survives an exploding plasma conduit and finally survives an exploding Citadel. The character never fails at anything. A momentary loss with a little moping causes rage in the fan base. The character doesn't even have a kryptonite.

These are nice guidelines for beginning writers, but it seems that some of it can be well done as all have occurred at some point in fiction that was very successful. Especially Super Heroes are somehow everywhere in fiction.

 

(Also: My Shepard is dead and I am only sad that I wont see many of the characters again, but I won't complain as every story has to end)

[The Arbiter]

 

 

 

 

annnnnddd when they get to Andromeda they encountered natives who are against them and started another war

 

[The Arbiter]

Every theory that relies on several things happening just so becomes increasingly more unlikely the more factors are added.

 

Even without that, there is one huge problem in the theory: Every species was giving their all for the final battle, all their resources went into the Crucible or their fleets. Who held back and didn't commit fully to the war effort so they could build a second fleet? Hackett? That goes completely against the character.

 

I mean, building the Crucible was insane already. "Hey, we found incomplete plans of something we don't know what it is and we want to redirect all resources to build it. No, we don't know what it does and it seems no cycle before us got it to work." - "Sure, let's build it, it might be our only chance!" *headdesk*

 

And now you're proposing that a second insane project existed and people built it, too? It was unbelievable the first time... I don't even have the words to describe the second time.

 

Of course, BioWare is probably going to make it work as long as you don't look at it directly. Because no matter how you spin it, withholding the resources and personnel means backstabbing Shepard's efforts to defeat the Reapers. The entire galaxy comes together and throws everything but the kitchen sink at the Reapers and some shady backroom dealers decide they would rather run away? And those are the "heroes" of the new game? Well, let's go all the way and play as villains then. Let's conquer Andromeda! Nothing we do here will be half as bad as condemning an entire galaxy to their fate for selfish reasons.

hey... look at my warning posts.... that's literally how I got them. On what you said 

[LinksOcarina]

Am I the only one who thinks the galaxy is just looking for new resources and places to live after the Reaper War?

 

Yes?

 

Then this theory will do. 

[The Arbiter]

Am I the only one who thinks the galaxy is just looking for new resources and places to live after the Reaper War?

 

Yes?

 

Then this theory will do. 

yep refugees.

 

Think about the Syrian conflict in a galactic scale. Not only everything is in chaos, natives from another country does not want Syrians near their border like Turkey and is threatening to push them back from where they came from or just get shot. Same story for Andromeda. Though I can not explain the trailer they showed, seems the protagonist is confident in murdering natives

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Am I the only one who thinks the galaxy is just looking for new resources and places to live after the Reaper War?

I'm hoping this is the case. After the Reaper War, the capability of intergalactic travel is achieved and an expedition to the Andromeda galaxy is sent to look for worlds that can be colonized and/or have resources to help rebuild the war-ravaged Milky Way. 

[The Arbiter]

I'm hoping this is the case. After the Reaper War, the capability of intergalactic travel is achieved and an expedition to the Andromeda galaxy is sent to look for worlds that can be colonized and/or have resources to help rebuild the devastated Milky Way. 

1. why would they need to go to Andromeda if the Milkyway has gaziilions of planets yet to be explored?

2. Is it only for resources? again why go to Andromeda if the Milkyway has gazillions of resources yet to be explored?

3. Why colonize Andromeda and start another catastrophic intergalactic war with unknown life forms when the Milkyway has a gazillion planets yet to be explored?

 

it's like cooking a steak, your steak got burnt and instead of going back to your fridge to get another fresh raw steak to cook, you go to your neighbors kitchen without authority and steal their steak. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

1. why would they need to go to Andromeda if the Milkyway has gaziilions of planets yet to be explored?

2. Is it only for resources? again why go to Andromeda if the Milkyway has gazillions of resources yet to be explored?

3. Why colonize Andromeda and start another catastrophic intergalactic war with unknown life forms when the Milkyway has a gazillion planets yet to be explored?

I think they should stay in the Milky Way, but if we're going to Andromeda I'd prefer it be after the Reaper War than before or during. A story of exploration and scientific discovery sounds more interesting than one of survival. 

[The Arbiter]

I think they should stay in the Milky Way, but if we're going to Andromeda I'd prefer it be after the Reaper War than before or during. A story of exploration and scientific discovery sounds more interesting than one of survival. 

Again why go to Andromeda when there are still literally billions of solar systems yet to be explored in Milkyway? if we go to Andromeda for the sake of just going their for the sake of the franchise then well... ok. It is illogical to be honest but let's face it... Bioware is in control of the franchise it's just more convoluted now in my opinion 

[MrFob]

I think they should stay in the Milky Way, but if we're going to Andromeda I'd prefer it be after the Reaper War than before or during. A story of exploration and scientific discovery sounds more interesting than one of survival. 

 

The only logical reason, I can come up with, why the writers would make that giant leap in logic that will be required to get us to Andromeda in the first place is that they don't want to deal with the ending division of the ME universe. The only way to do that efficiently is to make the Ark people leave before that ending occurs. Therefore, my money is on them leaving during the war, however that happens. If they send us over there after the endings, then I'll have to ask: Why?!?

(Not why would the Milky Wayers do it but why would the writers make their life difficult on purpose?)

 

 

The timeline, proposed to the OP is just as plausible as any other scenario IMO, who knows what the specifics are going to be. I personally am already mentally preparing for one giant mess that will have to be overlooked right when starting up the new game. Unfortunately, that is what we'll have to expect from the ME franchise these days.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Again why go to Andromeda when there are still literally billions of solar systems yet to be explored in Milkyway? if we go to Andromeda for the sake of just going their for the sake of the franchise then well... ok. It is illogical to be honest but let's face it... Bioware is in control of the franchise it's just more convoluted now in my opinion 

Bioware gave a reason. They feel like they made the Milky Way feel too small, so want to start on a smaller scale then build up to exploring the galaxy. Thus they felt they had to go to a different galaxy. 

 

How is it illogical to go explore new places for whatever reason? Human history is full of those moments. 

[The Arbiter]

Bioware gave a reason. They feel like they made the Milky Way feel too small, so want to start on a smaller scale then build up to exploring the galaxy. Thus they felt they had to go to a different galaxy. 

 

How is it illogical to go explore new places for whatever reason? Human history is full of those moments. 

That's more illogical now.  "Bioware gave a reason. They feel like they made the Milky Way feel too small" well.... then make it BIGGER and BETTER!

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Here's exactly what they said: 

 

Flynn mentioned that it’s long been a regret of Walters that they spread the Mass Effect story far out over the entire Milky Way galaxy, with the game’s galactic map showing a civilization that appears to stretch from arm to arm without too many unexplored nooks and crannies.

 

"With Andromeda," said Walters, "our goal is to start that at a much smaller scale—though the scales are still massive—and give you a sense that there is much more to explore, rather than saying ‘here’s the whole galaxy.’"

http://arstechnica.c...fect-andromeda/

[The Arbiter]

 

Here's exactly what they said: 

 

Flynn mentioned that it’s long been a regret of Walters that they spread the Mass Effect story far out over the entire Milky Way galaxy, with the game’s galactic map showing a civilization that appears to stretch from arm to arm without too many unexplored nooks and crannies.

 

"With Andromeda," said Walters, "our goal is to start that at a much smaller scale—though the scales are still massive—and give you a sense that there is much more to explore, rather than saying ‘here’s the whole galaxy.’"

http://arstechnica.c...fect-andromeda/

 

I fail to see the logic here. They complain of Milkyway being too small yet now they claim on starting small in Andromeda and expanding it. Why not expand the Milkyway instead? oh wait... Starbrat

 

they can just add more stuff in the Milkyway you know? those "arms" of small civilization were the result of mass relays. In 2006 the focus was giving a game with a great story! and it would be technologically difficult or near impossible to create an open world sandbox game at that time. Even the first crysis was pushing computers to the limit in that year.

 

But if BIOWARE IS SINCERE they can keep the original design of the Milkyway and update it. That is no longer possible now due to ME3 which basically crapped on everything so the proposal of OP is believable and prima facie evidence that Bioware wrote themselves into a corner.

 

The reasoning of Bioware that the Milkyway is way too small so that they have a feeling to ditch it is also illogical. You have to start small somewhere and improve on it, Crysis proved this. There were many games before it with open world aspects like the Elder Scroll series but it was no where near the cryengine simulating reality and sucking the player into the world.

 

Mass Effect 1 had these goals, that's why the open world barren planets are there including the Mako in order to give the players the illusion of being a total explorer or astronaut. This only weakens their position on ditching the Milkyway where their goals began because they have the ability to fix it and improve the Milkyway but was stopped in their tracks due to ME3. Andromeda now is the "Alamo" of Bioware for the Mass Effect franchise in order to save that goal or dreams of exploring a big Galaxy, that feeling of being an Astronaut... sad to say the place where that dream originally began is now deleted. Bioware is trying to redeem itself a second chance shall I say. 

[Amplitudelol]

Am I the only one who thinks the galaxy is just looking for new resources and places to live after the Reaper War?

 

Yes?

 

Then this theory will do. 

 

No. You are the only one. The point is to escape the aftermath of Shepard's final decision. But its Mac Walters, logic does not apply to that guy, anything is possible.

[SilJeff]

Is it cowardly? Yes. 

 

not in any way is it cowardly

[In Exile]

I fail to see the logic here. They complain of Milkyway being too small yet now they claim on starting small in Andromeda and expanding it. Why not expand the Milkyway instead? oh wait... Starbrat

 

they can just add more stuff in the Milkyway you know? those "arms" of small civilization were the result of mass relays. In 2006 the focus was giving a game with a great story! and it would be technologically difficult or near impossible to create an open world sandbox game at that time. Even the first crysis was pushing computers to the limit in that year.

 

But if BIOWARE IS SINCERE they can keep the original design of the Milkyway and update it. That is no longer possible now due to ME3 which basically crapped on everything so the proposal of OP is believable and prima facie evidence that Bioware wrote themselves into a corner.

 

The reasoning of Bioware that the Milkyway is way too small so that they have a feeling to ditch it is also illogical. You have to start small somewhere and improve on it, Crysis proved this. There were many games before it with open world aspects like the Elder Scroll series but it was no where near the cryengine simulating reality and sucking the player into the world.

 

Mass Effect 1 had these goals, that's why the open world barren planets are there including the Mako in order to give the players the illusion of being a total explorer or astronaut. This only weakens their position on ditching the Milkyway where their goals began because they have the ability to fix it and improve the Milkyway but was stopped in their tracks due to ME3. Andromeda now is the "Alamo" of Bioware for the Mass Effect franchise in order to save that goal or dreams of exploring a big Galaxy, that feeling of being an Astronaut... sad to say the place where that dream originally began is now deleted. Bioware is trying to redeem itself a second chance shall I say. 

 

RBG killed the setting. I don't understand what's so hard for people to grasp here. There's now way to return to anything in the Milky Way besides completely barren wastelands or areas that the reapers were too stupid or incompetent to build a Mass Relay next to so as to avoid RBG'ing it. 

 

Beyond that, you absolutely do not get the feeling of being an astronaut in ME. Because there will never be a world where "let's send people to explore barren wastelands to find mines and kill space pirates" will ever be a thing. 

[fyz306903]

Yeah, this OP says pretty much exactly what I thought. Remember that Bioware have been hinting about a plot like this for the last 2 years.