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[Lulupab]

Living in alienage slums is either on the same level of slavery or very slightly better than it. That's my take on it anyway.

 

Personally I'd rather have food, roof and family than to live in disease ridden slums with rampant crime and discrimination. I mean sure the master can be cruel, but that's like the only thing you have to worry about in opposed to the life you will have in the alienage where you have to worry about everything, even the most basic stuff.

 

I'm not really condoning slavery, I'm imagining myself in both slavery and living in alienages and slavery seems less miserable.

 

Therefore I don't see how Tevinter is any worse than Orlais in this regard. Tarts with crowns doing the same cruelties of Magisters with different methods. Tevinter has every same right as Orlais to exist.

[Serelir]

I'm writing a story about this! The more I thought about what life was like for elves and mages in Southern Thedas, the less awful Tevinter sounded. Of course, we had Fenris' experience, but I thought it was worth examining a different POV. There's so little lore about Tevinter that I have to make a lot of it up, but I would love to see the flipside to the Orlesian Chantry's attitude toward mages. I just hope they don't oversimplify it into a bunch of evil blood mages and demonic invasions. I don't think they will, given what Dorian's said.

 

I also hate killing dragons. I'm with Morrigan on that. 

[Lulupab]

It's way different. This way I can be a shifty little elf running around rooftops, bringing death from above and taking your stuff.

 

Instead of some blithering fool who makes cake.

 

 

Tallis is from Tevinter.. but her family weren't slaves. She was sold as one. So apparently some elves have some basic level of independence still. I wonder how it looks.

 

If the Master frees the slave for whatever reason, they are free from there and can even become citizens, but they will always be behind humans, still ten times better than alienage life. I think the free elves in Tevinter lead the best lives a city elf can since they can't have that life anywhere else.

 

Though Celene and Briala reconciled or Briala ruling through Gaspard allows this, but I meant before that.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The other thing I don't like about all slave backgrounds is it instantly puts bias against Tevinter...

 

When more than likely, we'll be exploring the Qunari in a game like that too. A newcomer to the series will be under the impression that they are defacto "good guys", just because they fight against the people who enslaved them.

 

Not necessarily. Tevinter slaves could potentially still fear living under the Qun. They are still Tevinters after all. I mean even Dragon Age 2 gave us an example of a person from the very quarters that often convert to the Qun hating them enough to use terrorism to make them hated.

[Lulupab]

Slave background is a must if we are playing in Tevinter, but please. Not all of backgrounds should be slave. I want to play a proper mage noble.

[TK514]

Knowing BioWare we'll get half a neighborhood and a market.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

... so that we can proceed to take Minrathous out of it, amirite amirite?

[The Baconer]

Not necessarily. Tevinter slaves could potentially still fear living under the Qun. They are still Tevinters after all.

 

I mean, I'm thinking most of them are Andrastian in faith, and I'd also be willing to bet most of them do appreciate the company of their families.

[ComedicSociopathy]

... so that we can proceed to take Minrathous out of it, amirite amirite?

 

Get the gaatlok. 

[Kakistos_]

It would be interesting to see what backgrounds Bioware will put in the game.

 

In all games, the mage suffered at being a noble, now it will be reverse! Only the human mage will be proper noble.

 

Slave background can have human, elf and Qunari race.

 

Dwarven ambassador at the embassy of Minrathous.

 

Dalish Elf, yes they exist in Tevinter too. 

I agree. Tevinter offers an entirely new dynamic to class and race divisions that have been the norm so far.

 

The other thing I don't like about all slave backgrounds is it instantly puts bias against Tevinter...

 

When more than likely, we'll be exploring the Qunari in a game like that too. A newcomer to the series will be under the impression that they are defacto "good guys", just because they fight against the people who enslaved them.

I don't know about that. The Qunari have slaves too and they are pretty honest about the fact that they landed in Thedas and immediately began to kill and convert people unprovoked. And the way they treat their Mages is beyond what most Magisters deserve for their own horrible treatment of people. Not all of them of course.

 

Living in alienage slums is either on the same level of slavery or very slightly better than it. That's my take on it anyway.

 

Personally I'd rather have food, roof and family than to live in disease ridden slums with rampant crime and discrimination. I mean sure the master can be cruel, but that's like the only thing you have to worry about in opposed to the life you will have in the alienage where you have to worry about everything, even the most basic stuff.

 

I'm not really condoning slavery, I'm imagining myself in both slavery and living in alienages and slavery seems less miserable.

 

Therefore I don't see how Tevinter is any worse than Orlais in this regard. Tarts with crowns doing the same cruelties of Magisters with different methods. Tevinter has every same right as Orlais to exist.

I agree, Tevinter is no worse than Orlais and Ferelden in many counts. What too many people don't seem to get is that when we read the mountains of negative codex information, quotes, stories, we are reading them from the biased perspective of the characters that wrote them in settings and regions dominated by Tevinter's enemy, the White Chantry. We never hear quite as much negative coverage of the Chantry's own horrible treatment of Elves and Mages nor Orlais' slavery and rapey, Elf murdering Chevaliers. I don't recall where but I read that Tevinter doesn't have any slums.

 

Slave background is a must if we are playing in Tevinter, but please. Not all of backgrounds should be slave. I want to play a proper mage noble.

Mages can be slaves in Tevinter as well but still have more opportunities to escape that situation. That too would be an interesting dynamic; A slave yet envied and feared by your imprisoned peers.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Bioware will never do Minrathous any justice. Give the next game to CDProjektRed. They know how to make an outstanding city with interesting quests in it.

 

Just compare Novigrad and Oxenfurt with Val Royeaux.

[AresKeith]

Bioware will never do Minrathous any justice. Give the next game to CDProjektRed. They know how to make an outstanding city with interesting quests in it.

 

Just compare Novigrad and Oxenfurt with Val Royeaux.

 

[Lulupab]

Get the gaatlok. 

 

Every element of nature will rain down upon you before you get in range.

 

You know Minrathous was under attack for 55 years by the Qunari. When the whole Thedas was fighting the Qunari, Teviner was front battlefield.

 

I think it pretty much became fact that the Qunari are utterly incapable of conquering Minrathous. I think 55 years of trying is enough lol.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I agree, Tevinter is no worse than Orlais and Ferelden in many counts. What too many people don't seem to get is that when we read the mountains of negative codex information, quotes, stories, we are reading them from the biased perspective of the characters that wrote them in settings and regions dominated by Tevinter's enemy, the White Chantry. We never hear quite as much negative coverage of the Chantry's own horrible treatment of Elves and Mages nor Orlais' slavery and rapey, Elf murdering Chevaliers. I don't recall where but I read that Tevinter doesn't have any slums.

There are several accounts in the Codex from people from Tevinter where all the terrible things they are said to do are done. For example that one female magister who sacrificed a kitchen worker to get a power boost, while there was another Codex with the parent of that worker looking for their daughter whom we know was killed. And we hear lots of those kinds of stories about the terrible things Southern Thedas does. So it isn't skewed like you are making it out to be. The Tevinter Imperium is just a terrible place.

[Lulupab]

- The prophetess Andraste followed by her barbarian army, achieved big and stunning victories against the Imperium before failing to capture Minrathous at -171 Ancient.

 

- During the Second Blight, in the Divine Age, the darkspawn horde led by Zazikel also failed.

 

- Massive armies were assembled during the Exalted Marches declared by the Andrastian Chantry against the Imperium. However they all failed their goal of capturing Minrathous.

 

-During the Steel Age, the Qunari led a campaign which conquered almost the entirety of northern Thedas. However even their cannons weren't sufficient to capture Tevinter's capital.

 

 

In my opinion, as the lore clearly states, Humans were able to balance the tides when they started using circle mages en mass which were able to beat the technology advantage of the Qunari. Now imagine a city which is center of all magical studies in Thedas. Some buildings in Minrathous are over thousand year old but are held together perfectly with magic. Given this I think their walls simply cannot be destroyed (or will be repaired immediately if destroyed). Its not just the fact that Minrathous has never fallen, no enemy has ever stepped inside either. All battles were decided outside the walls.

 

 

Anyone else think the incident of flying cows over Minrathous was to taunt the Qunari? 

[Uccio]

I gotta hand it to them. As much as I don't care for Tevinter much either. Tevinter magisters at least.

 

That is what I am interested to see. The difference between a Tevinter mage whom has been given a option to fully extend his/hers powers. Not the caged bird of a Circle mage who has been barely thought to control him/herself.

[Lulupab]

Its not just blood magic though, Tevinter uses many forms of magic. Tevinter has its own branch of "arcane warrior" or "knight enchanter" technique, which is most likely called something else. And unlike south Thedas, its not rare at all. Usually they are elite royals guards with every capability of warrior as well as mage.

 

In Orlais, in order to play the game and get to the top you need a lot of connections and you will most likely need to kill people as well. Its not different in Tevinter, or in fact anywhere with competition.

 

According to Dorian though, getting caught using blood magic illegally is a big scandal. 

[Lulupab]

When there is close competition, people will play dirty. No matter where, its even the case in real life.

[Lulupab]

And I wish to play the pompous hero or smartass rogue or honorable mage who kicks their asses.

 

Not the person who plays along with them.

 

Its commendable, but very hard. You know an Archon once wanted to end slavery in Tevinter. He disappeared in less than 5 minutes without a single clue about his whereabouts. He was the honorable mage.

 

If you want to stop them, you need to play with their style. See DA:I, nothing can save Orlais except intrigue of politics and cunning subterfuge. Honor has no place and effect.