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[Lulupab]

It's not like I'm an idealist. You can be honorable in realistic ways. People in the real world are imperfect, and half of the time a pain in the ass, yet the vast majority don't engage in human trafficking. That's low as hell. It really doesn't take much to be honorable, in this respect.
 
If nothing can be fixed in Tevinter though, then f*ck this series. Or let me play somewhere else. "2Edgy4Me". I'm not going to pay money to be complicit with slavery and empowering myself off other people's blood. It's one thing for those options to be there (just like it is in past games). Another to hear someone telling me I should have no choice. And the vast majority of people don't play these games to be sociopaths either. I hate to echo that infamous poster "David", but where is the "heroism"? lol

 

Realism can mix with idealism, see hardened Leliana. Some people need to die, some need to be threatened and some blackmailed so that positive change can happen. 

 

Human trafficking was common in old times, specially in Rome, which is what Tevinter is based on. Tevinter is isolated from rest of Thedas and only trades with smugglers, pirates and Dwarves. Slavery is probably the main income of Tevinter. Also its in constant war, war prisoners will become slaves. Its one of the few things that makes war profitable and Teviner is in war with Qunari for 600 years now. It probably cannot even survive without slavery.
 
If you join the Tevinter system and a condition is created in which Teviner can reconcile with other nations then maybe, MAYBE something can be done. But in order to do it, you need to be in a high position in Tevinter, which is the part I said you need to play their game. You'll have to play "the game" to get there, not be the good guy.

 

I think based on DA:I ending, if we do get to play in Tevinter changes can happen. But don't expect butterflies, blood will flow.

[Uccio]

So killing is ok but slavery is not?

[Nightshade715]

In all games, the mage suffered at being a noble, now it will be reverse! Only the human mage will be proper noble.

I guess it's just me who wants a human character, no matter the class, to be a commoner. Human pcs in Dragon Age being nobles or having some sort of ties to nobility is like being a prisoner at the start of the Elder Scrolls games.

 

As interesting as the history and culture of Tevinter are, I think it would only work if the protagonist was either an outsider or a set protagonist like Hawke, Something like being a slave is an incredibly horrible experience, and having a protagonist who'd be "meh" about it, aside from three or four lines through-out the whole game acknowledging that they were one is pretty underwhelming.

[TevinterSupremacist]

On the one hand, yes.

On the other hand, I won't be able to find playing in Tevinter fun, unless you can play a magister who happily and successfully accepts and enjoys Tevinter as it currently is.

And both in terms of how to handle being in a position of power and how to handle giving pc morally reprehensible choices, bioware hasn't exactly earned a golden star lately.

 

Or even a tin foil star with cheap glitter on it.

[Lulupab]

"This age has made people cynical."

 

I never said anything about butterflies. I'm fine with being a criminal or killing things, for example. I'm just not going to be some slavery apologist. Not even as a means to "ending slavery". I have better things to do. There are a lot of good games coming out.

 

In Winter Palace you have no choice, you need to play the game. Not even the strongest army or bravest hero can save Orlais. Only the game can and you need to play it. Its a good part of the game portraying reality of Orlais.

 

It will be the same with Tevinter most likely.

[Jester]

I'll be disappointed if Minrathous is given the Val Royeaux treatment.

I'll be disappointed if it gets Denerim treatment as well. Or Kirkwall treatment. 

I want a proper, believable city in a BioWare game this time around. 

 

Make it the size of Novigrad (Witcher 3) at least. Or better yet, make it far larger and just set entire action in it. 

I'll be fine with a smaller scale story this time, provided it's more intensive and focused. 

 

No saving the world would be fine - but deciding the fate of Tevinter... now that would be something.

Delving further into the secrets of the Second Sin, Magisters of old. the lore of ancient Tevinter - all that somehow connected and intertwined with the main (possibly political?) story.

 

10/10 would preorder now.

And I never preorder games. 

[Shechinah]

*snip*

 

I would love a drawn-back and smaller scale story for the next installment especially one that is more personal and as long as the city is well-developed, I'd certainly not mind having a city be the setting of the game. If done properly, it could easily have enough in it to not feel claustrophobic or limiting. You have people from different cultures and of different races, different enviroment depending on wherever in the city you are and so forth.

 

I think that is why I think it could be neat to be a slave in the beginning of the game because it'd give you the oppertunity to experience things from the lowest perspective and then gradually see the other perspectives of the city and its society as the story progresses.

 

 As much as I enjoy high-stake stories like the ones in Origins and Inquisition, I enjoy these sort of stories as well and think it could be neat with a bit of variety from game to game in terms of story scale.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

In Orlais, in order to play the game and get to the top you need a lot of connections and you will most likely need to kill people as well. Its not different in Tevinter, or in fact anywhere with competition.

Josephine disagrees with you. The only person she ever killed was in self-defense and an accident. 

[Lulupab]

Josephine disagrees with you. The only person she ever killed was in self-defense and an accident. 

 

Well, many people complain she is a bit immature. While I like her, its somewhat true and its her charm. Innocent like a child.

 

I mean her methods can work, but not always. Favors and dinners only get you so far. Blackmail and intrigue will get you so much further in Orlais. That's just how it works.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, many people complain she is a bit immature. While I like her, its somewhat true and its her charm. Innocent like a child.

 

I mean her methods can work, but not always. Favors and dinners only get you so far. Blackmail and intrigue will get you so much further in Orlais. That's just how it works.

True, but she is also one of the most mature and adult people in the series so far. She's kind of like Seras Victoria from Hellsing in that way. Her level of maturity in comparison to the other characters is somewhat questionable; she seems to be the child the others could not be, yet possessing a sort of worldly maturity and superficial intelligence that most other characters lack, as well as a sort of 'nature winning against nurture' mentality, as opposed to most other characters. She's the light that stands out from the darkness.

 

So then we can be another of the rare exceptions. You just said people like Josephine can have their methods work, so we could have similar methods work too. We don't have to support and do slavery and blood sacrifices to work in and change Tevinter. 

[The Baconer]

I think based on DA:I ending, if we do get to play in Tevinter changes can happen. But don't expect butterflies, blood will flow.

 

Ooooh, I'm betting on it. The second Transfiguration is coming.

[Master Warder Z_]

Ooooh, I'm betting on it. The second Transfiguration is coming.

What that one about magic serving man?

[Lulupab]

Magic is serving man already. Tevinter people are men and magic is serving them.

[AresKeith]

Well with the next game being Next-Gen and PC only maybe we will see the whole city

[Master Warder Z_]

Well with the next game being Next-Gen and PC only maybe we will see the whole city

*snorts* unlikely unless if its solely based there, assuming for a moment its all entirely accessible or even where the game is taking place.

I think the last two capitals depicted in the series convey just how Bioware views such locales

[Aren]

 

I also hate killing dragons. I'm with Morrigan on that. 

she says after killing 10 dragons for sport in DAI.

[Aren]

1)If Bioware will make Minrathous a sanitized city,this will be the result

 

 

2) if Bioware will not sanitize Minrathous,this will be the result

 

[Master Warder Z_]

About how I expect Minrathous to be

https://www.google.c...v4AjrnSCUGoH12Q

[The Baconer]

What that one about magic serving man?

 

In the best way possible :>

[Master Warder Z_]

In the best way possible :>

Alrighty then.

[Aren]

I swear if Bioware will set the next game on Tevinter,with a possible city elf Origin,i will play the slaves uprising, and i will slaughter every single magister and their elitism tag by tag with Fenris, and crush Minrathous once and for all,delete that place from the history of Thedas,and rebuild it from scratch