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[Zander-o-]

My main problem with WH is it's animation and how some enemies tend to run away after it ends. The long animation prevents you from attacking and leave you completely open to knockdowns, which prevents you from attacking and leaves you open to knockdowns and so on and so forth.... Also it prevents you from other having other useful skills, i prefer to use the upgraded doge for this, as I don't have trouble with guard unless against dragon, which i very rarely face, and it allows you to escape the endless knockdown cycle that factions have.

 

If i were to use WH it should apply panic, not fear, like the DC, it would solve the problem with enemies escaping you (this inevitable, if you WH enemies surrounding you and go after one, the other that it's on the other side of the circle is already running, and so you have to run after him and it just kills all the flow of battle *pun intended*)

[Drasca]

My main problem . . .The long animation prevents you from attacking and leave you completely open to knockdowns, which prevents you from attacking and leaves you open to knockdowns and so on and so forth.... Also it prevents you from other having other useful skills, i prefer to use the upgraded doge for this, as I don't have trouble with guard unless against dragon, which i very rarely face, and it allows you to escape the endless knockdown cycle that factions have.

 

If i were to use WH it should apply panic, not fear, like the DC, it would solve the problem with enemies escaping you

 

I want a doge skill. woof.

 

Learn to time your animation, when it is safe to cast. CR counters kd's and so forth. Yes, having any ability prevents you having other abilities. What's your point? CR doesn't do what WH does, and in the video I use both frequently.

 

Panic and fear are the same really. Some enemies just react to panic differently than others, and don't run. Dragonlings, despair demons and druffalo for example.

 

This thread is about NM and HB difficulty. These difficulties have a lot of enemy guard, regularly an upward 30-60k worth (or more in the case of HB High Dragon). They absolutely do give players difficulty trouble. If you're not having any no trouble against guard, you have to be absolutely OP or playing Perilous and below. In both cases you can get away with playing a lot sloppier than NM and HB.

 

Just because he uses different skills than you and accidentally called Guard Smasher by a different name makes him a noob?  What will you call me if I tell you I prefer not to use War Horn either?

 

You don't need 200 cunning to get auto-crits with a Reaver without War Horn, just Terrifying Fury and some cunning.

 

L2P That's what I'd tell you.

 

TF operates by requiring a critical hit to begin with. How does a player with low to no cunning guarantee that initial critical hit? The passive is insufficient. "Some cunning" realistically means 80-130 range, of which you and I both have but most players do not.

 

WH guarantees those criticals. TF does not, as it requires a critical to begin operating, and only has a 1/4 chance. Worst case scenario, the player has 5% critical chance and only 1/4th of those will trigger TF for additional panic and deathblow synergy.  Are you really going to argue that TF, with a worst case scenario average of 1.25 out of 100 hits actually triggering is any way reliable?

 

WH is guaranteed healing to 100% with rampage vs a maximum required five enemies. I WH frequently for damage (roughly 2.5k aoe vs non-guard in the video) & healing in addition to panic, support xp and synergy with FoB.  It is good practice.

 

Shield Bash upgraded is also amazing for this

 

I actually got a 56k Shield bash against the NM Dragon's guard last night with my Templar. "amazing" indeed. Not a typical SB, but everything lined up to absolutely wreck the NM Dragon's guard.

[Snakebite]

L2P That's what I'd tell you.

 

WH guarantees those criticals. TF does not, as it requires a critical to begin operating, and only has a 1/4 chance. Worst case scenario, the player has 5% critical chance and only 1/4th of those will trigger TF for additional panic and deathblow synergy.  Are you really going to argue that TF, with a worst case scenario average of 1.25 out of 100 hits actually triggering is any way reliable?

 

I used to use the build you are promoting back when my crit chance was around 25-30%.  I found myself to be more effective using something else even then.

 

L2P coming from you carries no weight with me.

 

Telling someone they are bad because they take different abilities than you is not about L2P.  You have no idea what people can do with certain abilities you may have written off until you see them in action (our "THUNDERDOME" case in point).  Some people can be and are more effective with certain abilities you think are bad because they actually learned how to play them.  You need to learn how to effectively play your build before you can go around calling other people out.

 

I am not going to argue that Terrifying Fury works well with 5% crit chance.  I never said it does; only that it works very well and consistently for me.  Are you going to argue that someone with 5% crit chance should be playing in Nightmare or Heartbreaker?

[Drasca]

Lol only claiming at only applying for yourself. How long are you going to use that excuse when I'm clearly talking to the general audience and not you specifically? Are you that much of a selfish egoist? It is fine to have a big ego, but to only think of yourself is useless.

 

Medallion is pretty awesome in that he still thinks of others too even with the biggest ego.

 

 Are you going to argue that someone with 5% crit chance should be playing in Nightmare or Heartbreaker?

 

Yep! I don't know how much you pug or with new players with new accounts, but I bring them into NM and HB frequently. Granted, they have to satisfy the few requirements of being a teammate first:

 

1) Communicate

2) Be willing to adapt

 

Just yesterday I brought a player from Perilous to NM Dragon who had stats of 11, 12, 10. They aren't normally that new, but this happens frequently. He did quite well and was a solid player all around.

[yarpenthemad21]

Warhorn on reaver is a free cost ability really, because it's on the way to Flow of Battle, and this passive is must have.
So I just need another point for upgrade.
I won't comment on what Warhorn can do, it's obvious, for me it's best possible fight starter Reaver have.

What I don't get in this discussion here is what is an alternative.
Other abilities are:
Combat roll
Mighty Blow
Devour
Ring of Pain
Block and Slash
Pommel Strike
Earthshaking strike
Challenge.

Which of those is more useful than WH? I want to know it really.

 

I used to use the build you are promoting back when my crit chance was around 25-30%.  I found myself to be more effective using something else even then.
 
L2P coming from you carries no weight with me.
 
Telling someone they are bad because they take different abilities than you is not about L2P.  You have no idea what people can do with certain abilities you may have written off until you see them in action (our "THUNDERDOME" case in point).  Some people can be and are more effective with certain abilities you think are bad because they actually learned how to play them.  You need to learn how to effectively play your build before you can go around calling other people out.
 
I am not going to argue that Terrifying Fury works well with 5% crit chance.  I never said it does; only that it works very well and consistently for me.  Are you going to argue that someone with 5% crit chance should be playing in Nightmare or Heartbreaker?

Strangely thunderdome you've done is now worth nothing. I call Cool beats, with new gear, especially with Hakkon Wisdom a useless skill. All of this crit damage is wasted. It's also way way way too low damage for NM. If I would see on NM some virtuoso trying to kill something with CB I would kick him. Twice. One for being useless, two for being blind and does not see "effectiveness" of his play.

[Snakebite]

Are you that much of a selfish egoist? It is fine to have a big ego, but to only think of yourself is useless.

Medallion is pretty awesome in that he still thinks of others too even with the biggest ego.


Yep! I don't know how much you pug or with new players with new accounts, but I bring them into NM and HB frequently. Granted, they have to satisfy the few requirements of being a teammate first:

1) Communicate
2) Be willing to adapt

Just yesterday I brought a player from Perilous to NM Dragon who had stats of 11, 12, 10. They aren't normally that new, but this happens frequently. He did quite well and was a solid player all around.

Oh goodie, attacking my character! I do not claim to be selfless. I guess providing counter-examples makes me a bad person.

I am not the one presenting my playstyle as indisputably better than everyone else's.

I do not take one look at other peoples feedback and immediately call them noobs, idiots, or tell them to L2P.

I do not issue challenges to other players, then demand that they admit they "cheated", without even watching their submission.

Hello Pot, I'm Kettle. Nice to meet you.

I doubt this new player you talk about played a Reaver, and this discussion is obviously about Reavers, so I do not see how it is valid.

[Drasca]

I guess providing counter-examples makes me a bad person.

 

This thread is about Warhorn's usage in NM and HB difficulty, which is available to all three 2H Warrior classes. Given I'm OP, yes I can declare that.

 

Presenting useless examples of unequal nature specific to only yourself does make you bad. Warhorn is useful to absolutely everyone. TF is only useful to a very unreliable degree proven by both math models and in-game examples.

 

I don't care about you. Your opinion is not backed up by anything useful. You've only shown nonsense, and I'm not the only one here that actually demonstrates how useful WH actually is. The fact is you haven't presented anything constructive, and if you have nothing useful, you should stay out of the topic.

 

The rest of your statements are irrelevant to the topic.

[Texasmotiv]

Here we go again.

[Proto]

Drasca's still salty.

[Pork]

Can we just ban drasca from these forums already? All he does is cause drama and derail threads with his self righteousness.

[Zantazar]

Can we just ban drasca from these forums already? All he does is cause drama and derail threads with his self righteousness.

Not keen on some of Drasca's "put downs" to players. However, this is his thread, and I believe that he has made some valued and clear points. Snakebite and yourself have some historic issues with him, which I shall not side with either way. I am here for information, some humour, but not to judge. If you guys feel this way, why read his threads? Why reply to them? And both your initial posts in this thread were provocative. So in essence, do you not feel honestly that you were goading him?

 

Zan the Man has a Plan

[Dekibra]

concerning all the 'I'm better than you, no! I'm right, No!! you're wrong!!, l2p, e-peen, e-dong, e-whatnot, BS' :

 

[Pork]

Not keen on some of Drasca's "put downs" to players. However, this is his thread, and I believe that he has made some valued and clear points. Snakebite and yourself have some historic issues with him, which I shall not side with either way. I am here for information, some humour, but not to judge. If you guys feel this way, why read his threads? Why reply to them? And both your initial posts in this thread were provocative. So in essence, do you not feel honestly that you were goading him?

Zan the Man has a Plan

I think i could name at least 10 users just off the top of my head who feel exactly the same way as i do.

[Zantazar]

I think i could name at least 10 users just off the top of my head who feel exactly the same way as i do.

 

Fair enough, lets say there are 50 users. Does that mean that any of you are justified in coming into his thread, accuse him of derailing his own thread, and stating that you want him to be banned. Alternatively, you see a thread by him and just ignore it, far easier.

 

But then you would not be advertising to the audience your personal feelings.

 

And before one of you literate professionals get this in, I am no asslicker of any player. I will state my opinion on anything that I deem to be unfair or wrong, regardless of whom that it was aimed at.

 

Zan the Man has a Plan

[ALTBOULI]

[Kenny Bania]

Fair enough, lets say there are 50 users. Does that mean that any of you are justified in coming into his thread, accuse him of derailing his own thread, and stating that you want him to be banned. Alternatively, you see a thread by him and just ignore it, far easier.

 

But then you would not be advertising to the audience your personal feelings.

 

And before one of you literate professionals get this in, I am no asslicker of any player. I will state my opinion on anything that I deem to be unfair or wrong, regardless of whom that it was aimed at.

 

Zan the Man has a Plan

 

Care to point out a post stating your opinion on him being unfair to other posters?

[Zantazar]

Care to point out a post stating your opinion on him being unfair to other posters?

 

I am aware that he has upset some players ... noobs ... L2play etc. And as I said in my initial post, I am not keen on these kind of "put downs". However, he usually uses those (as far as I have read) in a subjective discussion. For example, the massive thread with Snakebite regarding power chord and cool beats. I have not seen any posts where he has just "slagged off" someone as a "one liner" statement, that too me is a personal attack.

 

I reiterate, I wish that he could refrain from being so directly critical in his opinions, but at least you then know where he is coming from.

 

You on the other hand like this

 

 

Can we just ban drasca from these forums already? All he does is cause drama and derail threads with his self righteousness.

 

 

and this

 

 

 

May I suggest that the ten of you (or more) send a petition to Bioware regarding your thoughts. I am sure that they will investigate all of the posts both ways regarding provocation, goading, slagging off, put downs, and general hassling.

 

I somehow think that if you wish a player to be banned that they would want you to complain directly to themselves and not look too kindly on advertising and stating it on the forum. You never know, it may backfire.

 

Well, if anyone has derailed this thread, then I have. My apologies and I digress.

 

I shall leave this now, no point in me delving into this further.

 

Zan the Man has a Plan

[Kenny Bania]

I am aware that he has upset some players ... noobs ... L2play etc. And as I said in my initial post, I am not keen on these kind of "put downs". However, he usually uses those (as far as I have read) in a subjective discussion. For example, the massive thread with Snakebite regarding power chord and cool beats. I have not seen any posts where he has just "slagged off" someone as a "one liner" statement, that too me is a personal attack.

 

I reiterate, I wish that he could refrain from being so directly critical in his opinions, but at least you then know where he is coming from.

 

You on the other hand like this

 

 

 

 

and this

 

 

 

May I suggest that the ten of you (or more) send a petition to Bioware regarding your thoughts. I am sure that they will investigate all of the posts both ways regarding provocation, goading, slagging off, put downs, and general hassling.

 

I somehow think that if you wish a player to be banned that they would want you to complain directly to themselves and not look too kindly on advertising and stating it on the forum. You never know, it may backfire.

 

Well, if anyone has derailed this thread, then I have. My apologies and I digress.

 

I shall leave this now, no point in me delving into this further.

 

Zan the Man has a Plan

 

Yeah, just as I thought. You haven't spoken up once despite seeing "unfair" behaviour. To all that other drivel, I'm not the one claiming to be impartial.

[Zantazar]

Yeah, just as I thought. You haven't spoken up once despite seeing "unfair" behaviour. To all that other drivel, I'm not the one claiming to be impartial.

Drivel?

 

Well, I think that you and your friends can treat me with the same hostility from now on. Please reply with more comments, and ensure that they are personal.

 

I look forward with anticipation to the comments that you and your clubmates will make to any future posts that I make in connection with the game. I have a good idea of what the content will contain.

 

Zan the Man has a Plan

[Kenny Bania]

Drivel?
 
Well, I think that you and your friends can treat me with the same hostility from now on. Please reply with more comments, and ensure that they are personal.
 
I look forward with anticipation to the comments that you and your clubmates will make to any future posts that I make in connection with the game. I have a good idea of what the content will contain.
 
Zan the Man has a Plan

tl;dr

[Courtnehh]

Drivel?

 

Well, I think that you and your friends can treat me with the same hostility from now on. Please reply with more comments, and ensure that they are personal.

 

I look forward with anticipation to the comments that you and your clubmates will make to any future posts that I make in connection with the game. I have a good idea of what the content will contain.

 

Zan the Man has a Plan

The first rule of BSN club, you do not talk about BSN club.

[Pork]

Drivel?

Well, I think that you and your friends can treat me with the same hostility from now on. Please reply with more comments, and ensure that they are personal.

I look forward with anticipation to the comments that you and your clubmates will make to any future posts that I make in connection with the game. I have a good idea of what the content will contain.

Zan the Man has a Plan

I dont think ive ever seen you post on topic, you just complain about other peoples choice of language on here. If you dont like it, go away, but your comments dont contribute anything to the discussion and you are just derailing the thread at this point.

[Kenny Bania]

The first rule of BSN club, you do not talk about BSN club.

 

I think you'll find he's referring to a far more exclusive club than BSN.

[Courtnehh]

I think you'll find he's referring to a far more exclusive club than BSN.

And I think you'll find you can add a +1 to your BSN victories.

[Kenny Bania]

And I think you'll find you can add a +1 to your BSN victories.

 

Time to update the sig...