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[Panda]

Consoles are cheaper and much less confusing. When I thought about switching to PC, everyone I asked about it gave me contradictory advice on which components to get and of course I have no clue how to sort all of that out so a filthy console peasant I will remain.

That's true. There is tons of things to consider when buying PC. Is there enough RAM, is CPU good enough, then using many websites to determine is the GPU good or would another be better. You can't simply tell by numbers. Then upgrade opportunies of the PC. Does motherboard allow them? For example my old PCs motherboard allowed only 4gb ram and my new PC allows up to 16. Is the power supply big enough so you can upgrade GPU when needed? Is there even slots in the case for new GPU. Well those are some i considered when buying my new PC With consoles it's so much easier. You just look at price and how much space it has.

[CorniliuS]

I really am trying not to laugh. With all the PS 3 and x-box 360 complaints out there I just want to add my humor to the flame

 

GTX 980 ti NVidia graphics card cost 600 USD

 

PlayStation 4 cost 400 USD

 

X-Box One cost 400 USD

Well if you one of those people who just have to buy top video card every year it's your choice. My rig right now amd 6300-4500 oc. amd 7850 2g-1100 oc.  I bought it about five years ago and even then it was chip. After five years I can still run DAI with settings, resolution and fps much better then any console. I’m going to upgrade now my video card to amd 280 and I can continue play video games for another 3-4 years. Don’t forget we pc users have many advantages, finally steam accepts refund, mods (especially for DA games they are essential because people in bioware terrible coders). My point is let them have it:)) always be pro consumer we all will benefit from that one way or another.

[AH37]

The original post is rather ignorant, apologies for saying that but there isn't a lower word for it.

 

I agree that consoles are rather simplistic and much easier to use, however; the moment they were announced, they were already very dated and some would consider them outdated. Unlike PS3 and Xbox 360, those consoles came ahead of their time which improved the quality of the PC graphics as well.

 

The argument for a GTX 980 Ti, it can sustain running games at maximum settings within its respective resolution over the course of its lifespan. PC gaming aims to scale things higher; for example: PS3 and Xbox 360 has a certain resolution, but with HDMI; it can be scaled up to 720p but not actually being 720p. By 2010; 1080p is being more of a norm in the PC gaming community and more cards were aimed to sustain higher than acceptable fps for that resolution. But a GTX 480, 560 Ti+ can out perform consoles at their resolutions which have the range between 720p to 1080p depending on the game.

 

Optimisation is another thing to consider as well, unfortunately; in recent times games tend to be poorly optimized on PC, but that's on the developers; all games have issues, but some are unacceptable. Even DA:I has its own issues that a lot of people got and still running. Sometimes you see certain games require ridiculously unreasonable systems but in reality there is nothing that justifies that; i.e. SOM, AK and Ubi games.

 

Building a computer without previous knowledge is difficult because there are many things to consider, but the more you understand the easier it gets in choosing the sufficient and most price efficient parts. Gamespot built 2 computers for $450 w/ windows included in the price; one based on Intel and Nvidia and the other AMD, according to benchmarks, both outperformed consoles.

 

But generally; PC is cheaper than consoles over the long run, unless the person likes to spend their money regularly or buy an overpriced and/or overkill pc, this is not really feasible nor comparable to the situation.

 

I am running on a 3 generations old GTX 670, even though I know that it's not going to perform the way I wanted for future titles, I am not upgrading because I want a single card that can comfortably run games maxed out at 4K res, that's predicted to happen within 2 to 3 years time [normal mid/high end not overly expensive future titans]. So in order to up my performance, I got myself a used GTX 670 for $130. That boosted my performance and will certainly be performing until the time comes for an upgrade.

 

Cards overheating is not really a reason, you have more chance of them overheating in consoles than on a PC, most high end 3rd party suppliers provide cards with top of the range cooling to ensure that the card can run without problems, unless it's being heavily overclocked or the cooling has been tampered with or the thermal paste requires to be replaced, dust and case ventilation is another cause as well, but taking care of the device will prevent the problem unless it's a manufacturing problem.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

I'm kind of laughing because all games I play don't even need 980, I'll buy new rig only if there is a game I care about. I cared about DAI, look how it turned out (exactly the same as Thief4 or Fallout3, that should teach me a lesson, right?). Good visuals are traits of triple A games which try to emulate movies, stramline and simplify the player's input instead of being... games.

PC gaming is not the same as console gaming. The sooner publishers realize that, the better.

[Kantr]

For the same price as an xbone or ps4 you can buy a decent system that will last you a few years.

[c0bra951]

For the same price as an xbone or ps4 you can buy build a decent system that will last you a few years year or two.

 

 

There.  Fixed.

 

AH37:  It doesn't matter if the console hardware is obsolete out of the gate, in relation to PC standards.  It's a fixed target that developers must adhere to, for the life of the console generation.  The technology vintage is irrelevant to the marketplace.

[FKA_Servo]

That's true. There is tons of things to consider when buying PC. Is there enough RAM, is CPU good enough, then using many websites to determine is the GPU good or would another be better. You can't simply tell by numbers. Then upgrade opportunies of the PC. Does motherboard allow them? For example my old PCs motherboard allowed only 4gb ram and my new PC allows up to 16. Is the power supply big enough so you can upgrade GPU when needed? Is there even slots in the case for new GPU. Well those are some i considered when buying my new PC With consoles it's so much easier. You just look at price and how much space it has.

 

On the other hand, with a little upfront investment, you can ensure that you build a PC with a CPU and RAM enough to cover two console generations.

 

Then you're just popping a new GPU every few years.

[Navasha]

Here's the thing.   Ultimately most games are cross-platform games.   You aren't going to get substantially better graphics on most games until the next gen consoles are released.   

 

So my NVidia 970 is going to more than display really almost everything that is released until the Xbox TWO, or PS 5 is released.   Its pretty false that you need to upgrade your GPU with every new game release.  

 

I will also re-iterate that console gaming isn't really that much cheaper to be honest depending on the number of games you purchase as well.    If you buy 10 games in a year... that's an extra $100 in costs right there.    Over the course of an entire console generation of say 7 years...  $700.    That's the cost of both my scheduled GPU upgrades over that timeframe. 

[FKA_Servo]

Here's the thing.   Ultimately most games are cross-platform games.   You aren't going to get substantially better graphics on most games until the next gen consoles are released.   

 

So my NVidia 970 is going to more than display really almost everything that is released until the Xbox TWO, or PS 5 is released.   Its pretty false that you need to upgrade your GPU with every new game release.  

 

I will also re-iterate that console gaming isn't really that much cheaper to be honest depending on the number of games you purchase as well.    If you buy 10 games in a year... that's an extra $100 in costs right there.    Over the course of an entire console generation of say 7 years...  $700.    That's the cost of both my scheduled GPU upgrades over that timeframe. 

 

I went full on PC for this generation. This is the end of the argument, for me.

 

I can buy 10 PC games, all their addon content, for the price of one discounted console game.

 

I just started playing the Witcher 2 for the first time, on my tv, with my xbox controller. I think I paid $3 for it.

[c0bra951]

Here's the thing.   Ultimately most games are cross-platform games.   You aren't going to get substantially better graphics on most games until the next gen consoles are released.   

 

So my NVidia 970 is going to more than display really almost everything that is released until the Xbox TWO, or PS 5 is released.   Its pretty false that you need to upgrade your GPU with every new game release.  

 

I will also re-iterate that console gaming isn't really that much cheaper to be honest depending on the number of games you purchase as well.    If you buy 10 games in a year... that's an extra $100 in costs right there.    Over the course of an entire console generation of say 7 years...  $700.    That's the cost of both my scheduled GPU upgrades over that timeframe. 

 

Good points, though I think you're overestimating the cost difference in software.  I have 15 games on my XB1, and only one of them is full price ($60 US).  All the others are half-price or better, free, or came with the system (effectively free).  Still, it's true that PC gamers get better digital-downlolad deals because that marketplace isn't monopolized by the platform's owner.

[Panda]

On the other hand, with a little upfront investment, you can ensure that you build a PC with a CPU and RAM enough to cover two console generations.

 

Then you're just popping a new GPU every few years.

 

New console is somewhere around 400 dollars/euros and it doesn't need any upgrades and will be able to play all games released on it. Or it usually can unless developer like Bioware wants to do cross-gen game like DAI while not giving enough attention to porting it to your console and then doesn't support it with fixes and patches and DLC's later on. But well usually you are able to play everything you buy without worry

 

Gaming PC in other hand is around 800-1000 euros/dollars. Maybe more if you want to pay for it. It'll need GPU upgrade once a while like you said which is maybe somewhere around 400 dollars/euros, might be more. Then you might need to add some other things once a while. Also you might get unlucky with some games and your PC might run them poorly, because softwares/hardwares you have like unsupported GPU, but I guess developers eventually get some fixes for you cause you are PC player. Bioware did.

 

To me it just sounds like console gaming is cheaper and easier/safer choice in long run. Just stay out of cross-gen games until player reviews (professional reviewers only give opinion of the game in newest consoles/PC's and thus don't know about problems that games have with weaker systems).

[Navasha]

@Cobra951 - Almost every single console game comes with an additional $10 license fee attached.   So they are almost always $10 more expensive than the PC version.  There are exceptions of course, like DA:I which I believe was the same cost.    I only was considering that licensing fee in my calculations.    I won't even get into Steam sales and such.   As someone that just went birthday shopping for a console gamer, I was pretty amazed at how expensive stuff was even for games that were a year or two old.  

[KaiserShep]

Consoles are cheaper and much less confusing. When I thought about switching to PC, everyone I asked about it gave me contradictory advice on which components to get and of course I have no clue how to sort all of that out so a filthy console peasant I will remain.

Me, I'm all about the convenience. I like that the system is pretty much plug and play, and when I get home from work I can just plant my ass on the sofa and fire up the system from my controller and unwind for a couple hours.

[Gileadan]

It's possible to build a PC that slightly outperforms current gen consoles for about 500 bucks. And since the vast majority of titles are multiplatform, there is no need to upgrade anything once a given rig runs current generation multiplatform titles well. I've always wondered where that myth comes from and what the logic behind it is supposed to be - some mysterious hardware degeneration that afflicts only PCs? That article in the OP is a real headscratcher.

 

I don't doubt that console gaming is the easier way, though currently my efforts to keep my rig running smoothly amount to about 10 minutes every few months. Other than that, my convenience level is near a console system - I come home and boot up the game I want to play.

 

What I perceive as the biggest disadvantage in PC gaming is that the platform's lack of a huge corporation backing it means that PC gamers can end up at the arse end of exclusivity deals more often than console gamers, since both Sony and MS give us the finger once in a while. I'd probably really enjoy Halo or Uncharted, but alas...  Then again, no one has ever pulled the rug from under our collective rears like BioWare just did with last gen gamers.

 

Also, your preferred gaming genres can affect your choice of platform too. I like to play strategy games and turn based stuff, and lots of that is exclusive to PC because of the controls required to actually play those games.

[Panda]

For the same price as an xbone or ps4 you can buy a decent system that will last you a few years.

 

Well I bought PC for 400 euros (same as PS4 price) Can it run DAI? Nope. In order to do that at least on medium you need to pour 800 euros in the PC. That's at least in my country, I pretty much researched quite lot cause I wanted to see if I could affort PC that plays DAI and turned out that I cannot

 

You might be able to build one though, but you need some knowledge before attempting that and it can be risky.

[FKA_Servo]

Well I bought PC for 400 euros (same as PS4 price) Can it run DAI? Nope. In order to do that at least on medium you need to pour 800 euros in the PC. That's at least in my country, I pretty much researched quite lot cause I wanted to see if I could affort PC that plays DAI and turned out that I cannot

 

You might be able to build one though, but you need some knowledge before attempting that and it can be risky.

 

Worth noting that off the shelf PCs are almost universally overpriced - and utterly not worth the money you pay for. Thinking of like, Best Buy HPs, here.

 

I was a first time builder (years ago now) but that PC ran like a champ for almost 6 years with a couple of upgrades along the way.

 

As a total noob, all it really takes is several hours of research to ensure that everything is compatible and a few hours for assembly. At that point, it's like putting together a very expensive lego. And you learn something valuable along the way.

 

(Possibly still cheaper than a Millennium Falcon lego.)

 

Steam machines will be launching at this price point, though, and will be upgradeable in the same fashion. At this point, all you're really missing out on are exclusives.

[9TailsFox]

Changing parts of PC easily comes as expensive as buying new console once a while. And it's not like PCs will run all old PC games. Windows 7 just refuses to run my Heroes 2 : (

Stupid question but did you try use this? Always work for me.

[Panda]

Stupid question but did you try use this? Always work for me.

 

If I remember right I had problems even uploading those games from cd to computer so no. But thanks for that, I'll use it if I have problems with some that I can load ^^ Which will likely happen when I try to play everything with WIndows 8.

[FKA_Servo]

If I remember right I had problems even uploading those games from cd to computer so no. But thanks for that, I'll use it if I have problems with some that I can load ^^ Which will likely happen when I try to play everything with WIndows 8.

 

There's no denying that sometimes it's a little more work to get something working - but you generally can. And you essentially have the entire history of the medium open to you.

 

Also - Good Old Games has a million old games, optimized and rekajiggered to run on modern systems. I did a google search for "Heroes 2" and all that came up on a superficial level was Heroes of Might and Magic 2. If that's the game you're referring to, you can get it on GoG for 10 bucks - but on sale, I promise you it will drop to $2 or less.

[Dieb]

Is PC Vs Consoles a Drinkquisition category?

 

 

[9TailsFox]

If I remember right I had problems even uploading those games from cd to computer so no. But thanks for that, I'll use it if I have problems with some that I can load ^^ Which will likely happen when I try to play everything with WIndows 8.

Oh cd I forget such think exist  I only use digital. Yes install from cd not just can but most likely have problems with older games.

[Gileadan]

Oh cd I forget such think exist  I only use digital. Yes install from cd not just can but most likely have problems with older games.

Ain't that the truth.

 

Some time ago, I had a real hankering for some Vampire: Bloodlines and found my original CD again. I checked the install folder, recognized all those DRM related exe files... and bought the game again during the next Steam sale.

[Geth Supremacy]

I really am trying not to laugh. With all the PS 3 and x-box 360 complaints out there I just want to add my humor to the flame

 

GTX 980 ti NVidia graphics card cost 600 USD

 

PlayStation 4 cost 400 USD

 

X-Box One cost 400 USD

 

It has been pointed out by various reviewers that the 980 will need to be upgraded next year by the fourth quarter for new games coming out in 2017. As with all things by that time the PS 4 and the Xbox1 will have reduced price, but the new graphic cards will be double in price. At Christmas a 150 USD PS 4 will be around, the DLC seems it will be closer to that date than not. A PS 5 won't be in production until 2017 with a 2018 release date so any games coming out in 2016 and 2017 will run on those two consoles. But not the 600 USD graphics card. no PC users will have to fork out for the 1000 USD NVidia Titan or the AMD equivalent.

 

So while I am listening to the 'sad splinters' being gathered it is hard for me to keep a smile of my face, I really am trying not to laugh, I am.

 

I think the part that you're missing is that there are people who are not simple minded sheep who are completely controlled by blinking lights and shiny things.  Just because a company says so they don't go bend over for them. 

 

They see "next gen!!11!1!!" and yep tons and tons of people throw their money at them.  While some are sitting back like "ok...... 500gb?" "That is the line up of games you are going to offer?" "That's the best you have to tempt me?"   Where as you go "It's only $400 hur dur!" and you're done.

 

They're still making games for old gen.  MGSV comes out in September.  That said now that they're offering 1TB and more and more companies are getting on the data transfer train I admit next gen is starting to look interesting (for the first time)  I am getting to the point I would like to get one and it probably won't be much longer.  Especially if they want to put out a Last of Us 2.

[bug_age_inquisition]

I'm trying as hard as I can to enjoy PS4, but I just don't love it like I did Nintendo before Wii U (not Wii) ruined it.

 

I am however loving what I see on Youtube channels who upload footage of games from Steam.

 

But I still think the PC master race argument is a one-sided, nerdy e-peen stroke, that would be shot down if you attempted to even mention it in real life.