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[Kantr]

There.  Fixed.

 

AH37:  It doesn't matter if the console hardware is obsolete out of the gate, in relation to PC standards.  It's a fixed target that developers must adhere to, for the life of the console generation.  The technology vintage is irrelevant to the marketplace.

Yea good point. Build not buy (although the more niche are possibly value for money?)

 

It will last you more than a year or two depending on your needs. Not everyone has to play on full ultra graphics on a game. Or need two titan cards or w/e

[FKA_Servo]

Yea good point. Build not buy (although the more niche are possibly value for money?)

 

It will last you more than a year or two depending on your needs. Not everyone has to play on full ultra graphics on a game. Or need two titan cards or w/e

 

A 980ti will last a lot longer than that, if the last console generation is any indication. It just wouldn't die. It still hasn't died.

 

Maybe you won't be able to turn up all the bells and whistles in 2018, but if we're still on the PS4 and Xbone... then it'll run games better than a PS4 or Xbone.

[9TailsFox]

Oh we starting console wars ok then lets start.

1) You don't need GTX 980 ti to play DA:I not even close or other games. Even on medium settings game on PC looks better then console.

2)Look what happening now with DA:I Bioware simply can't make DLC for for xbox360 PS3 because it's impossible it's just wouldn't work technically. Same think happens after few years technology advance and same think happens again.

3)It's so funny so many people complain that old gen dragging game industry down and should change to new consoles. Now people understand how people who have PC feel al the time. And I don't even have good PC and after 2 years I have to buy new GPU because I couldn't play witcher 3.

4) Yes PC normally cost more, each parts are overpriced, and if you put all in one package it get worse. But even so game price PC batman 26.99 PS4 59.99. All games price are double And I don't even talking about steam sales. summer sale new game -50%. if you bay a lot games play on PC is much cheaper. If you play like 1-2 games a year and don't need PC for other stuff then games yes go ahead buy console and don't even think about PC.

[AlanC9]

Ain't that the truth.
 
Some time ago, I had a real hankering for some Vampire: Bloodlines and found my original CD again. I checked the install folder, recognized all those DRM related exe files... and bought the game again during the next Steam sale.

I can deal with the DRM. It's trying to get around a 16-bit installer that ticks me off. I keep putting off trying to get X-Wing running on my new PC.

[AlanC9]

Well I bought PC for 400 euros (same as PS4 price) Can it run DAI? Nope. In order to do that at least on medium you need to pour 800 euros in the PC. That's at least in my country, I pretty much researched quite lot cause I wanted to see if I could affort PC that plays DAI and turned out that I cannot
 

800 seems high. Is there maybe something wrong with the PC market where you are? Tariffs or some such?

[Panda]

800 seems high. Is there maybe something wrong with the PC market where you are? Tariffs or some such?

Finland. If you are in US or sth market is bigger and I think taxes for products are lower so that helps with prices.

[c0bra951]

@Cobra951 - Almost every single console game comes with an additional $10 license fee attached.   So they are almost always $10 more expensive than the PC version.  There are exceptions of course, like DA:I which I believe was the same cost.    I only was considering that licensing fee in my calculations.    I won't even get into Steam sales and such.   As someone that just went birthday shopping for a console gamer, I was pretty amazed at how expensive stuff was even for games that were a year or two old.  

 

Again, good point.  Yes, the closed console ecosystem demands tribute up front from developers.  But cost of production and cost to market have a loose relationship with what the market will bear.  In less stuffy words, games are worth what they're worth, regardless of up-front costs.  I'll use brick-and-mortar stores as an example.  A new boxed game with a $60 price tag won't get priced at $90 in New York City to account for the higher rent there.  They'd end up eating their inventory and going out of business.  That store must accept a lower profit margin, or relocate.

[Beomer]

The only console I ever played on was a cheap Chinese NES clone back in the late eighties. Switched to PC sometime in '92. Was addicted to it after playing Doom and Wolfenstein. AoE finally sealed the deal for me. Never bought a console since. Don't plan to. Next gaming device I get will be the Rift or the Vive.

[line_genrou]

Consoles are cheaper (initially) and easier to deal with overall.

 

You install a game, then away you go. You don't have to tweak performance or graphic settings. You don't have to worry about key codes and DRM. You don't have to upgrade every single time a powerful new game is released.

 

I also find it more comfortable. I like playing with a controller. I can lay back in my bed in front of the TV, it's relaxing. Sure, you can plug your PC to the TV and use a controller that way as well.. but using a console is just much simpler.

 

As for the old gen consoles -- how would you feel if it was announced that DLC will no longer be available to PC because of (insert reason here ____) ? You would be pissed. That goes for anybody who bought the game, and then doesn't get access to content.

 

 

We don't upgrade everytime a powerful game is released?

A good gpu lasts 5 years.

I had a gpu that I bought in 2009 and I was playing all the games until 2014 when I decided to upgrade so I could play DAI.

[unclee]

I really am trying not to laugh. With all the PS 3 and x-box 360 complaints out there I just want to add my humor to the flame

 

GTX 980 ti NVidia graphics card cost 600 USD

 

PlayStation 4 cost 400 USD

 

X-Box One cost 400 USD

 

It has been pointed out by various reviewers that the 980 will need to be upgraded next year by the fourth quarter for new games coming out in 2017. As with all things by that time the PS 4 and the Xbox1 will have reduced price, but the new graphic cards will be double in price. At Christmas a 150 USD PS 4 will be around, the DLC seems it will be closer to that date than not. A PS 5 won't be in production until 2017 with a 2018 release date so any games coming out in 2016 and 2017 will run on those two consoles. But not the 600 USD graphics card. no PC users will have to fork out for the 1000 USD NVidia Titan or the AMD equivalent.

 

So while I am listening to the 'sad splinters' being gathered it is hard for me to keep a smile of my face, I really am trying not to laugh, I am.

 

I was unaware that all 980's would suddenly stop working in 2017. This is good information to know. </sarcasm>

[Jaron Oberyn]

Sad to hear pc gaming becoming such elitist hobby. I just bought new PC myself for 400 euros. Price fitting to students budjet and it can even run some games. Not DAI cause BW wanted to make such elitist game but many other.

You expect to be able to run DAI or any next gen game, on a $400 pc? Please tell me you're joking. And lulz at elitist hobby.

[WardenWade]

I play on the PC and the PS.  For DAI I was using a PS3 and had hoped that the console would be supported through the end of the game's content before moving, understandably, to next-gen only.  I should be able to scoop up a decently priced (even used) PS4 at some point, though, and can at least trade in my PS3 and some PS3 games to soften the blow with healthy store credit.  I wish it were not the case, but at least I have options, and I enjoy being a glorious PC gamer as well as a glorious console kid   Best of both worlds IMO.

[KaiserShep]

You expect to be able to run DAI or any next gen game, on a $400 pc? Please tell me you're joking. And lulz at elitist hobby.

In Euros, not dollars. Up until recently, 400 euros was a much larger number in USD.

[Jaron Oberyn]

In Euros, not dollars. Up until recently, 400 euros was a much larger number in USD.

That's still around the same amount in USD, that's extremely low.

[Panda]

You expect to be able to run DAI or any next gen game, on a $400 pc? Please tell me you're joking. And lulzm at elitist hobby.

I do not. It will likely run DA2 and ME3 though. However I think for that price it should. At some point games escaped normal PCs and its sad.

[Chuvvy]

Yeah, I have convinced myself that I need to switch to PC when it comes to many games. With ME:A, I already plan on building a 4K PC using the Titan card which I hope would be a bit cheaper by then. 

 

When's M:EA coming out? Like 2017 right? By next year a top of the line GPU IE, a $600 GPU, will run 4k at 60FPS on High/Ultra. Currently the Titan X and the 980 TI can do about 40 to 50 FPS at Ultra and 4k. By 2017, a $300 to $400 GPU will be able to run 4k at high or ultra and 60 FPS. The price of monitors will be down by then as well. I'm probably going to ride my 980 until 2017, and then move into 4k.

 

By then my processor will definitely be due for an upgrade, but I can OC it with no real issue, when I start needing to that is. By the way, me upgrading my 980 in 2017 in no way means I need to. I could ride my 980 into 2019/2020 if I really wanted to. I was using a 7870 from 2011 up until earlier this year and still running games on ultra at 60 FPS.

 

Also to the OP, you can build a PC more powerful than the PS4, for the same price. 750TI runs better than the PS4 at the high price tag of $140, pair it with an i3, a cheap mobo, and a 300w PSU, and a cheap case.

 

There's a lot of misinformation about PCs that console players tend to buy into, like it's super expensive, or upgrades are almost constant. All of which are false, I know a guy running on a GPU from 2009 still. With PCs you have the freedom to upgrade if you want, if you feel like your gaming experience isn't up to your standard, you can go out and buy a new GPU, or a new CPU, or an entire new PC. That's the beauty of PC gaming, it gives you the freedom of choice.

 

Freedom of when to upgrade, where to buy your games, what to play your games on, what framerate you want, what resolution you want, mods open it up even more. This is an often over looked aspect of PC gaming, but I thin it is the most important aspect. The PC is an inherently open platform, so you can do what you want on it and you don't have to wait for some corporation to decide it's time to upgrade.

 

 

Consoles are cheaper and much less confusing. When I thought about switching to PC, everyone I asked about it gave me contradictory advice on which components to get and of course I have no clue how to sort all of that out so a filthy console peasant I will remain.

 

It's really not that hard to get into PCs, they're easy to build. For your first build you might spend an afternoon at most on it, most of the time will be you sweating when putting the CPU in and trying to figure out how to plug everything in. As for PC parts, there are a few golden rules. Anyone who says AMD or Nvidia is always better than the other is talking out their ass. AMD tends to be cheaper and run hotter, also it tends to be a bit less powerful. Nvidia uses newer tech, and runs cooler, and is more powerful, but is also more expensive. Intel processors vs AMD processors are the same story. Again, it's the beauty of PCs, you can build something perfect for you, and brand loyalty destroys this great aspect of it. Almost everyone over does it on their PSU, unless you're running SLI Titan Xs OC'd, you will not need more than a 700w PSU. (I've linked two good videos on it, just as a general awareness thing because even experience builders tend to go overboard) If someone says that AMD processors don't work/preform poorly with Nvidia cards just stop talking to them because they don't understand anything.

 

http://www.logicalincrements.com/for a PC build guide at any price point

https://www.youtube....r/LinusTechTipsfor part reviews

https://www.youtube....er/Jayztwocentsfor part reviews and general PC knowledge

https://www.youtube....ser/Techquickiefor the minutia of PC jargon and actually knowing what RAM does, if you're interested.

 

This wasn't necessarily directed at you, it's just a general knowledge post. It's also 1:46 AM and I'm slightly buzzed so I tend to get chatty.

[perfect_victime]

@Chuvvy   Also to the OP, you can build a PC more powerful than the PS4, for the same price. 750TI runs better than the PS4 at the high price tag of $140, pair it with an i3, a cheap mobo, and a 300w PSU, and a cheap case.

I had the 750ti and it either crashed or stuttered constantly unless I turned it down to the lowest settings.. So I am happy it worked for you.

[ashwind]

@Chuvvy   Also to the OP, you can build a PC more powerful than the PS4, for the same price. 750TI runs better than the PS4 at the high price tag of $140, pair it with an i3, a cheap mobo, and a 300w PSU, and a cheap case.

I had the 750ti and it either crashed or stuttered constantly unless I turned it down to the lowest settings.. So I am happy it worked for you.

 

I built just that PC for my friend in April. i3-4150, GTX 750Ti, 8GB Ram and found a used casing that comes with a 400W PSU (which I doubt is 400W but tis sufficient)

 

I do not know what game you are referring to but as for DAI. Running it on 1600:900, low to medium settings. >60fps average.

 

This same box is running The Witcher 3 with low + some medium setting at 1600:900 and it runs 40fps average.

 

There are videos on youtube to show you that the i3/750ti does perform at this level - and they even push the settings harder than me. Some settings hit performance harder than others. The reason he is running them at 900p is because he got an old monitor that can only support 900p. I am sure this box can run these games at 1080p and easily get the 30fps that is on the PS4. 

 

It can be done and the evidence is all over youtube.

 

p/s: Heck, even my 5 year old i7960+GTX 560ti can run these games and the PS4 is not that more powerful than my old box. I can easily upgrade my old PC with a GTX 960 ($250) or the upcoming GTX 950 (< $200) and it will easily out perform the PS4.

[Squeets]

I have a GTX 680 from 2012 that can still max every single game released today apart from **** optimization Ubishit games like AC Unity and Far Cry 4.  And even those I can run on on max settings, albeit at lower fps (~30).

[Chuvvy]

@Chuvvy   Also to the OP, you can build a PC more powerful than the PS4, for the same price. 750TI runs better than the PS4 at the high price tag of $140, pair it with an i3, a cheap mobo, and a 300w PSU, and a cheap case.

I had the 750ti and it either crashed or stuttered constantly unless I turned it down to the lowest settings.. So I am happy it worked for you.

 

you might have just had a faulty card

 

[Robert Trevelyan]

I really am trying not to laugh. With all the PS 3 and x-box 360 complaints out there I just want to add my humor to the flame

 

GTX 980 ti NVidia graphics card cost 600 USD

 

PlayStation 4 cost 400 USD

 

X-Box One cost 400 USD

 

It has been pointed out by various reviewers that the 980 will need to be upgraded next year by the fourth quarter for new games coming out in 2017. As with all things by that time the PS 4 and the Xbox1 will have reduced price, but the new graphic cards will be double in price. At Christmas a 150 USD PS 4 will be around, the DLC seems it will be closer to that date than not. A PS 5 won't be in production until 2017 with a 2018 release date so any games coming out in 2016 and 2017 will run on those two consoles. But not the 600 USD graphics card. no PC users will have to fork out for the 1000 USD NVidia Titan or the AMD equivalent.

 

So while I am listening to the 'sad splinters' being gathered it is hard for me to keep a smile of my face, I really am trying not to laugh, I am.

 

 

Wow! A PS5 for production in 2017!??! You must be Big Time In The Know. I bet Sony don't even know about THIS YET!!!!

[Neoideo]

Indeed consoles have their advantages, like being able to turn the device on, forget about every technical complexity, and just play all day long.

Being a PC gamer is totally different since it is about knowing your hardware, upgrading components, optimizing settings, knowing about graphics settings, etc, etc.

 

As a PC gamer, upgrading to the best or nearly best hardware in cycles of 3~4 years has worked very nice, specially when the upgrade skips an entire architecture generation, as going from high-end Nvidia Fermi to high-end Nvidia Maxwell, or high end Kepler and wait for the upcoming Pascal. Jumping to the next arch is acceptable, but jumping to hardware of the same arch is really not worth the investment in my opinion, for example going from GTX 680 to 780 which was Kepler 1 -> Kepler 2, not worth it.

[Viper371]

I really am trying not to laugh. With all the PS 3 and x-box 360 complaints out there I just want to add my humor to the flame

 

GTX 980 ti NVidia graphics card cost 600 USD

 

PlayStation 4 cost 400 USD

 

X-Box One cost 400 USD

 

It has been pointed out by various reviewers that the 980 will need to be upgraded next year by the fourth quarter for new games coming out in 2017. As with all things by that time the PS 4 and the Xbox1 will have reduced price, but the new graphic cards will be double in price. At Christmas a 150 USD PS 4 will be around, the DLC seems it will be closer to that date than not. A PS 5 won't be in production until 2017 with a 2018 release date so any games coming out in 2016 and 2017 will run on those two consoles. But not the 600 USD graphics card. no PC users will have to fork out for the 1000 USD NVidia Titan or the AMD equivalent.

 

So while I am listening to the 'sad splinters' being gathered it is hard for me to keep a smile of my face, I really am trying not to laugh, I am.

 

You don't need a GTX 980 to run games in 1920x1080 (1080p).  And you won't need to pay 600$ for a new card in 2017, if you already have a GTX 980, to play then current game in 1080p.  4k gaming is another matter, but not many game support it entirely for now, and it won't change until the PS5 and new Xbox with 4k support come out.  Besides, 4k gaming on  a 24" monitor isn't that great.  It shines on tvs 50"+, if you sit 4-5' from the tv.

 

Even though you pay more for a gaming PC than a console, it can serve many applications, not just gaming.  And games are always a little more beautiful on PC than console.  They could be made better, because the average PC is at least 2x better (as in, more powerful) than a current gen console and some people have gigantic beasts with 32gb ram and 3 top of the line video cards, but developpers tend to focus for games that will run on all types of hardware, so they're kinda limited by the lowest denominator.

 

The biggest advantage is, imho, the flexibility, compared to consoles.  If you find your game to slow on your Xbox one, there's nothing to do.  On PC, you can add more ram, you can change your video card by selling the old one, of after 3-4 years, upgrade CPU+Mb.  You don't have to do it all at once.
 

And when you upgrade your PC, all your old games will work on it, sometimes better.  You may get mods to add new content or upgrade graphics.

So yeah, I'm partial to PC.  I don't really like consoles.  I think consoles are, more often than not, holding the PC back in terms of what a game can do (see DAI, how it was supposed to be, but content dropped to make it work on old gen). 

 

However, I am lucid enough to realize that without consoles there's likely no chance there would have been a gaming market large enough to justify the costs of 250-300 million$ (probably even more) for big titles like DA:I or TW3.  Consoles were always easy to use, and the PC probably borrowed a little from it over the years.  I'm old enough to remember having to tweak autoexec.bat and config.sys, load himem.sys in high memory, emm386.exe and all that crap to be able to play a simple game, while a console user would only have to plug a card/disc in his machine and turn it on.  Although Nintendo was not the first console to appear, it really brought a lot of people to the gaming universe and pushed all the PC industry to adapt, and simplify it's things to make it easier for game developpers and users.

[Beren Von Ostwick]

*looks at his GT730, 1600x900 monitor and sadly realizes he has been fooling himself when he thought he was having a perfectly fine gaming experience because he sure as poo didn't blow $600 on a video card*

[TheJester000]

Consoles are only more expensive in the long run if you are buying the system and games day one, brand new. I wait a year and get everything for half price. My ps4 will be $200 and all the games will be $35 dollars or less. I might have to wait and i'll only have the console for 8 years instead of 9 or 10 but it's no more expensive than pc will be over that time frame. People who buy consoles and games new are suckers. Plus, acting like game stores don't give console players good sale deals is ridiculous, you just have to look for them. A couple months ago Gamestop had a sale on used games, 4 for $10 and they were good games like Mass Effect 3, Farcry 3, Red Dead Redemption etc. It may have been last-gen stuff, but so are the sales you get from Steam.