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[XMissWooX]

I agree, an alternative way to acquire these in the SP campaign would be appreciated.

I played MP a few times and, whilst I did enjoy it, it's not for everyone.

[FKA_Servo]

And the game you originally purchased didn't have anything at all that tied MP to SP other than automatic MP Agents populating Skyhold.  The game you purchased a license for still exists in Version 1.0, anything after that was a free patch that you didn't have to install. So really, you and a handful of other people are pitching a fit over something extra in a patch that nobody has to use or pay for. If that doesn't scream entitlement, I don't know what will.

 

Honestly, I don't quite care for DAIMP that much, but it didn't take a lot of effort to get into a FC Dragon round and get the unlock. Maybe if you spent as much energy into actually unlocking it as you have complaining about it, you would have had it unlocked quite a while ago.

 

Let me know how to start a new game with a custom world state if I passed on all those "optional" patches, will you?

 

This is exactly the sort of content that might provide a real benefit, and be highly desirable for role players. And again, it's flat out not even an option for some people. Not everyone plays on PC, and not everyone has a deluxe subscription on their platform of choice in order to slay these dragons. Asking for a way to get this within the SP is not entitlement.

[Voundergeist]

if u play on PC add my on origin (phantom351) and i ll kill the dragon for u:-)

I might just do that. It be helpful but i have to get past lvl 1... I really don't like mp.. but i want that set. lol

[Asqwolf]

Ok took a while but I did manage to get a response from Mark Darrah, he says they're now looking into options, so everyone, only a matter of time. ^^

 

 

 

 

[SirMisterKitty]

Let me know how to start a new game with a custom world state if I passed on all those "optional" patches, will you?

 

This is exactly the sort of content that might provide a real benefit, and be highly desirable for role players. And again, it's flat out not even an option for some people. Not everyone plays on PC, and not everyone has a deluxe subscription on their platform of choice in order to slay these dragons. Asking for a way to get this within the SP is not entitlement.

Not to mention people with limited internet capabilities. Not everyone has internet plans that enable them to game online regularly, if at all.

[Masque]

 

Ok took a while but I did manage to get a response from Mark Darrah, he says they're now looking into options, so everyone, only a matter of time. ^^

 

 

 

 

 

 

I   you for taking the initiative on this. 

 

Options are good.

[BansheeOwnage]

Everything OP said.

 

Cosmetics are still content, after all.  

Indeed. I'm not against unlocking SP content from MP as long as you can do it in SP as well, otherwise it indirectly punishes SP exclusive players who would often care more about the items (and who don't have xbox live or PS Plus or lack internet) because they didn't buy a subscription. Not that that's Bioware's intention, but it's still what happens. I don't care if you have to kill 10 dragons in SP or 1, but it should be available there. I'm also okay with it being easier to get from MP, but it should still be available in SP if you put in enough effort.

 

While this doesn't bother me at a personal level, since I'm not overly excited about the props, it could very well be something I am interested in next time (and it currently is for others). It's also a bit odd, because this playthrough (and all future ones), I got these props before I killed my first dragon in the story, and it's just... weird for roleplaying, which is what stuff like this is for, mainly. I'd feel much more accomplished if I got it for celebrating the dragonslaying.

[BansheeOwnage]

 

Ok took a while but I did manage to get a response from Mark Darrah, he says they're now looking into options, so everyone, only a matter of time. ^^

That's great! Assuming it amounts to anything. Thanks.

 

Not to mention people with limited internet capabilities. Not everyone has internet plans that enable them to game online regularly, if at all.

Edited my post to account for that.

[themikefest]

Those items would be a nice reward for killing all the dragons in the game

[Eelectrica]

Those items would be a nice reward for killing all the dragons in the game

It'll be the only way I'd ever see them as I refuse to kowtow to the demands of EA.
Otherwise I'll happily live without them.

[Auztin]

I think it it pretty cool to give MP bonuses to single player to acknowledge the MP.If they make it available to SP because of whining then let's just start whining about not being able to get into a certain temple because of a certain amount of items are needed because that is content gated by items you need to collect.God forbid there ever be something for people who play Multiplayer & Singleplayer get something SP only players can't get that adds nothing but a theme to skyhold.

[Beren Von Ostwick]

I think it it pretty cool to give MP bonuses to single player to acknowledge the MP.If they make it available to SP because of whining then let's just start whining about not being able to get into a certain temple because of a certain amount of items are needed because that is content gated by items you need to collect.God forbid there ever be something for people who play Multiplayer & Singleplayer get something SP only players can't get that adds nothing but a theme to skyhold.

 

Apples and aardvarks.  That entire bolded part ( I am assuming you  are referring to the shards and the Temple of Solasan ) takes place within SP.  There is no SP/MP split involved.

[Auztin]

Apples and aardvarks. That entire bolded part ( I am assuming you are referring to the shards and the Temple of Solasan ) takes place within SP. There is no SP/MP split involved.

Gated content is what this thread is about.So I threw in a situation where content is also gated.They are gated differently true but what if someone doesn't like collecting things or doing side missions? They lost out on content gated by something they voluntarily didn't want to do.Do they have the right to demand they get that same content without ever collecting or doing side missions in general?No,they don't.Same for MP,people are voluntarily saying that don't want to do MP for a theme that adds nothing narrative wise but cosmetic wise to the table.I think people who play MP should get content that SP only players don't get just like MP only players won't get content that people play Singleplayer have.

[Beren Von Ostwick]

Actually, the thread topic clearly states "don't do MP."  So no, the thread isn't a generalized topic about gated content.

 

However, even if it were, your idea of gated seems overly broad.  "I do not think one should have to open chests to access the content inside.  Don't gate chest content!"  That's how I see  your view of gated content playing out if taken to its limit.

[Courtnehh]

Just to reitterate, if any of you would like to be taken through a dragon run on the xbox one for this SP content PM me, it wouldn't take any longer than 7-8 minutes and you don't have to come on mic if you're shy

[darreCZ]

I might just do that. It be helpful but i have to get past lvl 1... I really don't like mp.. but i want that set. lol

 

lol: I hope u enjoyed the run:-)

[FKA_Servo]

Gated content is what this thread is about.So I threw in a situation where content is also gated.They are gated differently true but what if someone doesn't like collecting things or doing side missions? They lost out on content gated by something they voluntarily didn't want to do.Do they have the right to demand they get that same content without ever collecting or doing side missions in general?No,they don't.Same for MP,people are voluntarily saying that don't want to do MP for a theme that adds nothing narrative wise but cosmetic wise to the table.I think people who play MP should get content that SP only players don't get just like MP only players won't get content that people play Singleplayer have.

 

This is a flat out insane definition. You should stick to defending situations that are actually defensible.

 

If there is any overlap at all, MP should act as an alternative avenue of progression for some SP content, or it should provide content in MP only. These dragon trappings don't add "nothing" - in my view, they offer RP value far beyond what you're granting here.

 

All these arguments do is convince me that multiplayer is emphatically unnecessary for these games. They want to add it? Great, maybe it'll be a lot of fun (like ME3). But don't spin it like it's some sort of boon, when nobody is buying a Bioware game solely because of the multiplayer.

[Koneko Koji]

Normally I would say just play the MP. But DAIMP is so bad I totally agree with OP.

 

When it has an acronym like that, is it any wonder it's bad? LOL (I keep reading it as 'DAMP')

 

But in any case - I have no desire what so ever to play multiplayer, but to be honest - since hearing about the recycled zone DLC (JoH) and that old gen players are now going to be excluded, I have no desire to play DA:I at all. which I do feel is a shame because up until now, the DA Franchise had been one of my favourites.

[Iakus]

Gated content is what this thread is about.So I threw in a situation where content is also gated.They are gated differently true but what if someone doesn't like collecting things or doing side missions? They lost out on content gated by something they voluntarily didn't want to do.Do they have the right to demand they get that same content without ever collecting or doing side missions in general?No,they don't.Same for MP,people are voluntarily saying that don't want to do MP for a theme that adds nothing narrative wise but cosmetic wise to the table.I think people who play MP should get content that SP only players don't get just like MP only players won't get content that people play Singleplayer have.

MP gated content is what this is about.  And the developers promising that no SP content would be gated as such and then going back on their word.

 

People should not be required to do any MP to access any SP content.  Because we were told months before release that we would not be required to (and in fact, that was a big part of why I chose to get this game at all)  

[DragonRacer]

Yeah, a better analogy would be how would you, as an MP player, feel if certain armor designs in MP were gated by having to complete certain SP side quests? Rather than unlocking them in MP where they belong.

 

THAT is why SP-only people are upset (partly). Because something that exists in SP is currently only attainable by doing MP. Yet, there's nothing in MP that requires you to play SP to unlock, so it's just weird and unfair all around. I play both, so this doesn't affect me at all, but I agree that separate modes should remain separate. Period.

 

 

 

But don't spin it like it's some sort of boon, when nobody is buying a Bioware game solely because of the multiplayer.

 

Incorrect. There are actually several posters in the DAIMP forum that have stated they bought DAI solely for the MP (because of their good experience with ME3MP) and haven't touched the SP or only put a few hours into the SP and didn't care for it. Granted, I don't have an exact number on that, but there are people who bought a BioWare game solely for the MP.

[FKA_Servo]

Incorrect. There are actually several posters in the DAIMP forum that have stated they bought DAI solely for the MP (because of their good experience with ME3MP) and haven't touched the SP or only put a few hours into the SP and didn't care for it. Granted, I don't have an exact number on that, but there are people who bought a BioWare game solely for the MP.

 

Well, I think that's incredibly weird, and it's frankly inconceivable that they represent any sort of majority. But I guess I've been wrong before.

 

It certainly doesn't justify any sort of gated content though. If they're not interested in the SP, some dragon decorations achieved through MP aren't going to convince them any more then it will SP players in the opposite corner.

[Auztin]

MP gated content is what this is about. And the developers promising that no SP content would be gated as such and then going back on their word.

People should not be required to do any MP to access any SP content. Because we were told months before release that we would not be required to (and in fact, that was a big part of why I chose to get this game at all)

Really?I was under the impression that they would still let MP be connected to single player.It's not like anyone on these forums can say they can't play Multiplayer due to Internet being not accessible.Everyone here is online with Internet.

If there is any overlap at all, MP should act as an alternative avenue of progression for some SP content, or it should provide content in MP only. These dragon trappings don't add "nothing" - in my view, they offer RP value far beyond what you're granting here.

Then what bonus in SP would be acceptable.XP boost?No that is pointless.A mission?No people would ****** about that.A theme for Skyhold?Oh wait..nevermind.

To person who said,how would I feel if they had sp only ways to get MP bonuses.I'd welcome it.If you choose to not play something then you lose out.It's that simple.

Another reason I disagree is purely on how this makes devs look.Devs now bow down before the customer.Next thing we know customers are coming up with everything for the sequel.There is such thing as too much player input.Devs should stick to their own **** & not care what you think.

[FKA_Servo]

Another reason I disagree is purely on how this makes devs look.Devs now bow down before the customer.Next thing we know customers are coming up with everything for the sequel.There is such thing as too much player input.Devs should stick to their own **** & not care what you think.

 

In this case, it looks like they care about retaining rather than alienating their longtime playerbase.

[Iakus]

Really?I was under the impression that they would still let MP be connected to single player.It's not like anyone on these forums can say they can't play Multiplayer due to Internet being not accessible.Everyone here is online with Internet.

 

Several developer posts say the exact opposite, that there would not be anything in SP gated by MP.  

 

And there's a world of difference between being able to log onto a forum and post, and being able to play MP.  You need a strong, stable internet connection and in many cases, a paid subscription.

[DragonRacer]

Well, I think that's incredibly weird, and it's frankly inconceivable that they represent any sort of majority. But I guess I've been wrong before.

 

It certainly doesn't justify any sort of gated content though. If they're not interested in the SP, some dragon decorations achieved through MP aren't going to convince them any more then it will SP players in the opposite corner.

 

I definitely do not believe them to be a large number, nor did I try to insinuate that it would justify the situation (I thought I made my stance perfectly clear in the first part of the post, where I am actually in agreement with you folks).

 

I simply wanted to point out that they do actually exist.