I agree with this, which also explains why women can openly cry and people "feel sorry" for them whereas if a male openly cries, he is weak and needs to "man up".
That's indeed a problem some other "men" causing it because god forbid you cry or be sensitive. Society is fucked up.
I agree with this, which also explains why women can openly cry and people "feel sorry" for them whereas if a male openly cries, he is weak and needs to "man up".
Women can cry because they are seen as highly emotional and not problem solvers. It is a stereotype.
Well, since everyone has said everything there is to say on the subject. I just want to say;
I support gay marriage, transgenders, transsexuals, lesbians, and bisexuals and all that fancy stuff.
I myself am not gay, or any of the above, but I believe in doing what makes you happy. Even if that means doing 3 guys at once.
I completely disagree. They are seen as toys by many. Many men don't watch two women go at it because they respect their choice. It is their entertainment. The same reason they watch pole dancers.
Is it a mistake that Sera doesn't seem to control her emotions well? She makes an excellent boy toy.
It's smarter to consider the reactions of women towards other women 'going at it' as you say.
And the reactions generally are reasonably good. Women generally are at worst, indifferent to lesbian content. They're not offended or disgusted by it. Whereas men absolutely are contemptuous of content of other men being gay.
That's indeed a problem some other "men" causing it because god forbid you cry or be sensitive. Society is fucked up.
Depends on the culture. Some cultures are okay with men crying. Personally, think this is healthy. It is up to us to change the nonsense, all of it.
There are plenty of stereotypes and plenty of reason to tear them down.
I think that Dorian is great character, his sexuality is quite big part of his character, but his also lot more than his sexuality. He's not simply gay guy or gay LI, he's someone who gives us another view to Tevinter and lot of new information, someone who hides behind vanity, but is quite caring inside which makes intresting character trait to me, he's someone who makes you laugh and makes you sad at times. He's simply great companion to have in my opinion and I think Gaider really wrote him well. Also his quest with his father, I think although it clearly was him being gay and thus not being what the parents wanted, you can still relate it even if you aren't gay in my opinion which is great.
To the lesbian vs. gay in terms of acceptance. I think lesbians in video games at least aren't as strongly objected. Both are fantasized, but that isn't acceptance itself. Still that can make them more accepted in sense of video game, since their presence isn't objected as much especially with lesbian/bisexual characters.
It's smarter to consider the reactions of women towards other women 'going at it' as you say.
And the reactions generally are reasonably good. Women generally are at worst, indifferent to lesbian content. They're not offended or disgusted by it. Whereas men absolutely are contemptuous of content of other men being gay.
I'm very sorry for this.
Whatever happened to live and let live? We are at our best when choices are ours and not forced upon us.
Like article say I just didn't care for Dorian, thank you Bioware for "forcing" having at least one mage,rogue,warrior in party. I was mage and I love Solas best charcter and Cass is my romance and I need rogue so I know you funny Dorian but you just can compete with god 
And this gay stuff in games I mean talking. It's so funny "first" gay character in video game history. Right now I play The Longest Journey was released in 2000. April main character(female amazing huh ) landlords of hose she live is lesbian couple. And game is open about sex and sex and sexism jokes, religion ... and so on.
Like police officer guard. And April need to remove him and one of dialogue options is seduce him "I like man in uniforms" Well that's nice mam but I am gay. I like dame
Dorian was a terrible character, basically all the worst parts of Vivienne's personality without her delightful introduction, nor her reasonable dialogue when speaking to her (I'm referring to speaking to her at the base, not her party banter)
Dorian was thrown in there to be gay: There's a marked difference in his personality and quests when compared to the other purely gay character Sera (with her, it never comes up) The entire questline just reeked of 90's back to school special, and they were overly preachy even in the 90s.
The article is just obsessed with gays. I don't understand what is so difficult to understand: The job is to write good characters, not obsess over who screws who.
I really loved Dorian's character, and but honestly I'm not sure they way I like the way the press focuses on him. Dorian should be loved because he's well written, well acted, and because he has an engaging and sympathetic story (which, granted, was also about his sexuality, though I feel like there were themes that reached beyond just the surface of that aspect). I feel like an article that goes "look, they have a gay character" cheapens him, sells him out as a token minority.
Maybe it's because I'm a straight fella myself, so I don't (or, maybe even can't) really understand where Gaider's coming from, and it really is important for everyone to see and acknowledge Dorian because of his sexuality first and foremost, but I feel like that by drawing specific attention to his sexuality, it actually lessens the impact of him being a cool character who is a great many things, and gay is only one of them.
Boring interview, as usual with Gaider.
In my first playthrough, my straight BROWN male human mage went for the templars, so he had only met Dorian in the Chantry and then again at Haven, where he turned down his help to get into Redcliffe, and then finally he joined the party when Haven was attacked. Never got his personal quest, probably as a result of this path having almost no way to raise his approval. Plus his quest relies on you noticing Mother Giselle in the main room and NOT sitting in judgment before speaking to her. Obviously, sitting in judgment is one of the first things players would want to do, and so I didn't get Dorian's person quest.
The result? Dorian felt like a bland character throughout the game. He was a "good" Tevinter mage who wanted to help out and had some good leads. Big deal. He never really fit with any of the missions I was on. He sort of fit with the areas that dealt with Venatori or finding magical artifacts. He was a somewhat entertaining companion to have in the party because of his banter, especially with Sera. But other than that, he was basically like Blackwall after you find out he's really a nobody. Just some guy who is there.
As for his personality, it was just... off. My mage tried getting along with him, but his responses seemed illogical to me. Like, "Don't agree with me! I disapprove!" Oh, okay. The only part where I felt like he and my Inquisitor connected was when after the Temple of Mythal when he said that my Inquisitor has inspired him to go back and change Tevinter, and act on his feelings not just talk about it. I also had him in the final battle, because I felt like he hadn't done enough to help out, and I think he felt the same way. In the absence of In Hushed Whispers, his loyalties and abilities go untested most of the game, so there's not much reason to take him along.
All that said, if I hadn't read about his character before hand, I'd have had no idea he was homosexual. Well... maybe I would have suspected it, but that's it. There was never any "Zevran moment" where he approaches you.
I don't know if BioWare, or Gaider, or IGN, or anyone else would consider that a failure or a success, but I would consider that a success. If you're homosexual or bisexual, I don't want to know about it. And if I have to know about it, then I don't care about it. Just get the job done. Sera was the same way. Though I think she had some dialogue where she indicated she was homosexual. Nothing too blatant though. But Sera had enough interesting stuff about her where she showed to be an entertaining character. Dorian didn't have much else aside from different spells. What were his scenes anyway? One with receiving a letter about Felix's death? Oh, Felix... Felix... oh, that other guy from the Chantry? Oh, sorry to hear that he died. Alexius is dead too? Hmm. Guess going to the templars really was the best course of action.
So again, Dorian is a meh character. If IGN was going to give any character the "award" for being homosexual, it should have been Sera.
Sera was the same way. Though I think she had some dialogue where she indicated she was homosexual. Nothing too blatant though.
If you play a guy, I don't recall it ever coming up with Sera unless you flirt with her (in which case she'll blow you off the first time, but it comes off as being much about how cheesy your pickup line is, and later, if she likes you more, she says something along the lines of "sorry, you're a decent sort, but we both like women, so not happening". For the ladies, if you're a Qunarette, specifically, she'll voice her...appreciation for you in her intro scene, but otherwise I don't recall her ever mentioning it outside of specific flirt options, either, and not in a way that makes it clear she only likes women there, either.
If you play a guy, I don't recall it ever coming up with Sera unless you flirt with her (in which case she'll blow you off the first time, but it comes off as being much about how cheesy your pickup line is, and later, if she likes you more, she says something along the lines of "sorry, you're a decent sort, but we both like women, so not happening". For the ladies, if you're a Qunarette, specifically, she'll voice her...appreciation for you in her intro scene, but otherwise I don't recall her ever mentioning it outside of specific flirt options, either, and not in a way that makes it clear she only likes women there, either.
I think it was in banter with Blackwall, about how she'll get a nobleman naked and right before he thinks he's going to get some she says she likes his wife much better. It can be interpreted as just a joke or prank, but it's a little indicative as well.
Also she says Leliana is pretty in places. Again, not too overt, but suggestive.
I think it was in banter with Blackwall, about how she'll get a nobleman naked and right before he thinks he's going to get some she says she likes his wife much better. It can be interpreted as just a joke or prank, but it's a little indicative as well.
Also she says Leliana is pretty in places. Again, not too overt, but suggestive.
It's extremely subtle in Sera's case, and, while Sera had her faults, her sexuality did not work against her even slightly (In fact, I was even fond of the "we both like women" scene, because it was done very refreshingly)
Dorian's sub-plot was just cliche after cliche. And from all these press junkets, I'm not sure BioWARE will learn the lesson.
I don't. To me, he's memorable for the rest of his character.
Dorian's sexuality barely even comes up outside of his personal quest. And even there the main issue was that he wasn't willing to play along with Tevinter's social mores. Not that he was gay by itself. You might have ended up with a similar story if he had been straight and refused to go along with an arranged marriage.
The argument that a non-hetero character's sexuality being highlighted cheapens or diminishes them in some way is so absurd. It comes from a place of privilege (yep, breakin' out the p word) from people who see themselves represented everywhere.
Yes, token characters do exist and are terribly lazy; but saying that Dorian's sexuality being highlighted lessens his other characteristics, making him just the gay guy, is dumb. Dorian is more than his sexuality, but the fact that he's gay is still a really big deal. Some people like to say things like "who cares" and "it shouldn't matter what his sexuality is", but the reason that it's highlighted (and should be) is because this kind of thing is so freaking rare and should be commended.
I can't even count on one hand the number of well rounded, non-tokenized, gay characters there are in games. That's a problem.
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I don't. To me, he's memorable for the rest of his character.
Dorian's sexuality barely even comes up outside of his personal quest. And even there the main issue was that he wasn't willing to play along with Tevinter's social mores. Not that he was gay by itself. You might have ended up with a similar story if he had been straight and refused to go along with an arranged marriage.
I agree. He clearly states how he hated the selective breeding, and knowing his mom and dad hated each other. He dislikes arranged marriages.
You know, the reason why Dorian's short little character arc is so bad is because nothing actually happens.
Really. Nothing happens. There's no conflict. Dorian's father isn't trying to hurt or intimidate or force him. He just wants to talk. The only thing that's actually going on is Dorian thinking about bad memories.
I see this point to an extent, but wondered how this person would have reacted if Kratos was gay and suddenly was watching two guys make out in the "sex mini game" and had sex with some male character instead of Aphroditi. There probably would have been outrage on the gaming forums for being forced into not just hearing about, but SEEING gay content - and it would come from the people who approved of the lesbian sex mini game present in game. I mean some posters here couldn't even handle 2 sentences of dialogue from Anders attempting to initiate a s/s relationship let alone something like that.
And what end result are we striving for, exactly? What's the goal?
A future where straight men not only tolerate, but become excited at the prospect of getting to watch gay men being gay? This is precisely what equality demands, after all. It's not 'equal' if the video game with the gay men is tolerated perfectly well but quietly passed over for the game with the beautiful women.
No, a future where a game lead can be written to be gay and not have sales plummet solely for that reason.
People don't have a right to make that choice? To look at the poster for the film and decide to spend their limited time and money on the movie with the beautiful woman and man kissing instead of the two men?
Or are you perhaps under the impression that it's perfectly okay for individuals to make that choice, yet 'society' as a whole is somehow obligated to find those two options equal?
What do you suggest doing?
You can't make them want it.
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