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[Majestic Jazz]

As the title says, Dorian gets credit for being the first gay character from Bioware but Sera was homosexual as well and she was in the same game and could actually be recruited before Dorian.

Also Traynor and Steve Cortez in ME3 were homosexual.

So why all the spotlight on Dorian?

[FKA_Servo]

Juhani in KoTOR.

 

Other than her, he and Sera are the first squadmembers and the first fully fleshed out companion romances. Additionally - let's just say that there's a double standard with regards to f/f romances versus m/m romances and leave it at that.

[Dabrikishaw]

Dorian is the first Bioware male-only homosexual romance that's also a party member. Until him, we had bisexual men and gay NPCs for men.

[Legion of 1337]

Because he's David Gaider's personal in-game surrogate.

[Majestic Jazz]

Dorian is the first Bioware male-only homosexual romance that's also a party member. Until him, we had bisexual men and gay NPCs for men.

But the headlines never say "Bioware's first male gay character" it just says gay character which really excludes Sera cause she is gay as well, but Sera is never mentioned, just Dorian.

And like I said, technically Sera can be recruited before Dorian so technically Sera is Bioware's first gay character.... but that claim for some odd reason only goes to Dorian.

[katerinafm]

Sera is not the first lesbian character. Also, there have been far more w/w romances in games than m/m.

 

And it says 'gay character' because it uses gay for m/m and lesbian for w/w. Not gay as in a person of either sex that likes the same sex.

 

Also I wonder if you either copy pasted or are the same commenter that said this word for word on the IGN article.

[FKA_Servo]

Sera is not the first lesbian character. Also, there have been far more w/w romances in games than m/m.

 

And it says 'gay character' because it uses gay for m/m and lesbian for w/w. Not gay as in a person of either sex that likes the same sex.

 

Also I wonder if you either copy pasted or are the same commenter that said this word for word on the IGN article.

 

Personally, I have no illusions as to why he started this thread, so it's probably best to actually bow out.

[c0bra951]

Juhani in KoTOR.

 

Other than her, he and Sera are the first squadmembers and the first fully fleshed out companion romances. Additionally - let's just say that there's a double standard with regards to f/f romances versus m/m romances and leave it at that.

 

Yes.  Part of that is strictly social, and nothing to do with bigotry.  Straight women are closer to lesbian than straight men are to gay.  Women are kissy, touchy, feely with each other regardless of orientation.  Straight men can't conceive of that behavior with male friends.

[daveliam]

The headlines are incorrect, that's why.

 

Juhani has the distinction of being the first gay (lesbian) companion as well as the first s/s romance (f/f only) in 2003. 

Kaidala (the nymph from NWN: Kingmaker) has the distinction of being the first bisexual female romance option in 2004.

Sky has the distinction of being the first m/m (bisexual) companion and romance option in 2005.

Steve has the distinction of being the first gay (as opposed to bisexual) male romance option in 2012.

Dorian has the distinction of being the first gay male companion in 2014.

[prosthetic soul]

Clearly they need to check their privilege.  This triggers me. 

[Majestic Jazz]

Sera is not the first lesbian character. Also, there have been far more w/w romances in games than m/m.

 

And it says 'gay character' because it uses gay for m/m and lesbian for w/w. Not gay as in a person of either sex that likes the same sex.

 

Also I wonder if you either copy pasted or are the same commenter that said this word for word on the IGN article.

 

 

Unless I am ignorant on the term, I always assumed that gay can be either male or female. Yes, the term lesbian is generally used to exclusively label f/f relationships, but a f/f relationship can still be gay. I mean, the court ruling mentioned that ban on GAY marriage is unconstitutional, not ban on gay AND Lesbian marriage, just Gay marriage which includes male/male and female/female.

 

You can assume what you want but I do not know why you are being so defensive and trying to correlate me to the negative IGN comments. I am simply bringing up a question regarding something I have seen a lot, which is that Sera, technically a gay character but never gets any recognition for being so, only Dorian.

 

If it is the male/male aspect that Bioware is trying to go for, then why wont they clarify that? This is where my question comes in because they don't. 

[Incantrix]

I feel like this thread is a tumblr red flag thread...

[Wulfram]

To quote Oxford Dictionaries

"Gay in its modern sense typically refers to men (lesbian being the standard term for homosexual women) but in some contexts it can be used of both men and women."

[leadintea]

The headlines are incorrect, that's why.

 

Juhani has the distinction of being the first gay (lesbian) companion as well as the first s/s romance (f/f only) in 2003. 

Kaidala (the nymph from NWN: Kingmaker) has the distinction of being the first bisexual female romance option in 2004.

Sky has the distinction of being the first m/m (bisexual) companion romance option in 2005.

Steve has the distinction of being the first gay (as opposed to bisexual) male romance option in 2012.

Dorian has the distinction of being the first gay male companion in 2014.

 

Wow. This really puts in perspective how lesbians are more catered to than gay guys.

[Thibax]

Perhaps the answer you seek is machismo.

Men have to honor and to be men. This is the thinking of big parcel of the society.

Society asks for men to be men. Being a gay man is incorrect.

[Majestic Jazz]

To quote Oxford Dictionaries

"Gay in its modern sense typically refers to men (lesbian being the standard term for homosexual women) but in some contexts it can be used of both men and women."

 

And according to Merriam-Webster:

 

"of, relating to, or used by homosexuals"

 

 

Last time I checked, female/female attraction was considered to be homosexual, not just male/male. 

[Majestic Jazz]

 

Perhaps the answer you seek is machismo.

Men have to honor and to be men. This is the thinking of big parcel of the society.

Society asks for men to be men. Being a gay man is incorrect.

 

 

True, I do believe it is "easier" for a female to be gay than a man but that isn't my question. My question is as to why does Bioware claim Dorian to be the first gay character when that isn't the truth? If they want to put emphasis on him being a male and being a male/male character, then why won't they simply say, "Bioware's first gay male character...." or something to that nature? That way they emphasize the male/male aspect and would make sense for them not to mention Sera. But by using the general/vague term of "gay", which also by definition includes Sera.....but not mentioning Sera is where I am confused. 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I'm pretty sure there is no such title.

 

In fact, I don't see the point of this, at all, except perhaps as some weird desperate attempt to try and trick Dorian fans and Sera fans into arguing with each other over... something, I guess, I don't know.

[lynroy]

To quote Oxford Dictionaries

"Gay in its modern sense typically refers to men (lesbian being the standard term for homosexual women) but in some contexts it can be used of both men and women."

And according to Merriam-Webster:

 

"of, relating to, or used by homosexuals"

Dictionary VS Dictionary

 

FIGHT!

[Cobra's_back]

To quote Oxford Dictionaries

"Gay in its modern sense typically refers to men (lesbian being the standard term for homosexual women) but in some contexts it can be used of both men and women."

 

 

 

 

Perhaps the answer you seek is machismo.

Men have to honor and to be men. This is the thinking of big parcel of the society.

Society asks for men to be men. Being a gay man is incorrect.

 

 

And being Sera is just a male player's fantasy for some. There were plenty of male youtube videos playing a female so they could bed Sera. Also note Sera is emotional and sometimes can't control her emotions well. 

[X Equestris]

True, I do believe it is "easier" for a female to be gay than a man but that isn't my question. My question is as to why does Bioware claim Dorian to be the first gay character when that isn't the truth? If they want to put emphasis on him being a male and being a male/male character, then why won't they simply say, "Bioware's first gay male character...." or something to that nature? That way they emphasize the male/male aspect and would make sense for them not to mention Sera. But by using the general/vague term of "gay", which also by definition includes Sera.....but not mentioning Sera is where I am confused.

Sera doesn't have the distinction of being first at anything. That's most likely why she doesn't get mentioned

[Majestic Jazz]

Sera doesn't have the distinction of being first at anything. That's most likely why she doesn't get mentioned

 

And thats my point exactly! Sera, like Dorian is a homosexual character. Yet in the perspective of DAI, only Dorian is marketed as such.

 

If I were a person living under a rock and decided to look into buying DAI today, I would have the assumption that Dorian is the only gay character in DAI and that all the other companions in DAI or either hetorsexual or bisexual because that is how the game was marketed. It seemed like Bioware WANTED people to view Dorian as the first gay companion when that technically is not the case considering that Sera's existence contradicts that claim.

[Panda]

True, I do believe it is "easier" for a female to be gay than a man but that isn't my question. My question is as to why does Bioware claim Dorian to be the first gay character when that isn't the truth? If they want to put emphasis on him being a male and being a male/male character, then why won't they simply say, "Bioware's first gay male character...." or something to that nature? That way they emphasize the male/male aspect and would make sense for them not to mention Sera. But by using the general/vague term of "gay", which also by definition includes Sera.....but not mentioning Sera is where I am confused.

 

Well since gay is used as umbrella term, not only for gay men and lesbians, but also other LGB+ sexualities and then term that only means men who like men it can be confusing and misleading at times.

[WildOrchid]

And it says 'gay character' because it uses gay for m/m and lesbian for w/w.

 

Actually, gay can apply to women as well.

 

I mostly refer to myself as a gay lady than lesbian.

[Cobra's_back]

True, I do believe it is "easier" for a female to be gay than a man but that isn't my question. My question is as to why does Bioware claim Dorian to be the first gay character when that isn't the truth? If they want to put emphasis on him being a male and being a male/male character, then why won't they simply say, "Bioware's first gay male character...." or something to that nature? That way they emphasize the male/male aspect and would make sense for them not to mention Sera. But by using the general/vague term of "gay", which also by definition includes Sera.....but not mentioning Sera is where I am confused. 

 

Marketing at work here maybe. Also note how many guys play girls to see them romanced? More than you think if you see the you tube videos. Sera may have a dual purpose. I think they knew guys were going to play Sera. Check out this guys video. He has over 25,000 viewers.

 

Guy playing female elf and romancing Sera.