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[Merengues 1945]

Recently I made my second run of the game and when I arrived to "Here Lies The Abyss" I was struck with one thing I didn't noticed before because I was too excited having Hawke and the Father-in-Law of the Hero of Ferelden with me... And that thing was "this is all wrong."

 

Let me explain.

 

In Origins we're explained that a Grey Warden could be anyone (from slaves to kings) but not everyone could be one; great training , magical talent or other handy traits were required to even be considered a candidate, even more given the mortality of the joining.

 

So how comes that the Inquisition, a motley bunch of moderate/soft templars, some mages, and a patchwork of soldiers can rather easily storm a fortress guarded not only by some of the best soldiers (wardens are often depicted fighting several darkspawn at the same time or cutting through lots of foes) but also demons, and a dragon??... I know the advancement of the plot is important, but I still found it odd that the same organization that killed five archdemons was easily defeated by a bunch of fanaticals.... In soldier's peak we saw how a few wardens could hold against major forces with the help of magic, or the orlesian wardens are just the worst?

 

Or simply the inquisition recruits just the very best guys ever?

 

 

And also, if Corypheus can manipulate blighted creatures, then why didn't he went for the obvious choice of controlling Darkspawn... The Architect proved it to be feasable, why take a risk with wardens who have emotions and second-guessing but not loyal mindless minions that have proven to be very effective at killing people? As long as he keeps the archdemons untouched, he could take over the world.

 

Or in the other hand why didn't he spend any resource in finding and killing the archdemons. Corypheus wants to be a god or whatever, but we know Archdemons take full control of the horde, becoming a rather real god as soon as they are awakened... He could even face losing his free will in case of another blight, yet he never seemed to made a move to prevent such eventuality.

[thats1evildude]

1) There's a wide gap between the Hero of Ferelden and the rank-and-file Warden. Also, skill in combat doesn't save you from a hail of arrows or a rock from a catapult.

 

2) Corypheus thinks like the man he was, not the darkspawn he is. He refuses to believe he and the six other high priests were responsible for the Blights. Recruiting the darkspawn would be tantamount to him admitting that fact. Also, he wants to restore the glory of the Tevinter Imperium; the darkspawn just want to destroy everything.

 

3) A high priest of the Old Gods would never try to kill them. His dragon is both a tribute to the Old Gods and a statement that he intends to become greater than them.

[LOLandStuff]

The Grey Wardens weren't alone when facing Blights, they had others backing them up. They're just the ones who can destroy the Archdemons.

During the First Blight Dumat was killed several times only to reemerge, what-with the body hoping ability he had, until the Wardens were created.

 

Aadamant was under siege for some time. The inquisition didn't just show up one night and curbstomped their way in. Plus they had an army bigger than the Wardens, siege engines and allies. Just because the Wardens are made of badasses they're not invincible. And the Warden in Soldier's Peak were well fortified, the army had to walk through a mountain pass to get there and through snow. I'm not getting into details for that, but lots of resources and stuff like that are wasted. Also, the Wardens were well barricaded inside, but they still ended up dead and possessed.

 

And what thats1evildudesaid.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Grey wardens reputation for fight is way exaggerated same as seen as heroic by many people ,grey wardens proved to be nothing more than normal warriors and pretty much they always die quickly in combat.

[ThePhoenixKing]

Because the plot said so. Seriously, it was just lousy writing.

[Merengues 1945]

1) There's a wide gap between the Hero of Ferelden and the rank-and-file Warden. Also, skill in combat doesn't save you from a hail of arrows or a rock from a catapult.

 

2) Corypheus thinks like the man he was, not the darkspawn he is. He refuses to believe he and the six other high priests were responsible for the Blights. Recruiting the darkspawn would be tantamount to him admitting that fact. Also, he wants to restore the glory of the Tevinter Imperium; the darkspawn just want to destroy everything.

 

3) A high priest of the Old Gods would never try to kill them. His dragon is both a tribute to the Old Gods and a statement that he intends to become greater than them.

 

I'm aware not every warden can be THoF or Garahel... But remember, even Jory was recruited only because he was the best of his hometown... Skill alone can't save you from a rock or arrows, but keep you from being easy target and helps while defending your position against some guys who haven't been in a real war while wardens are always at war......... History has proven that experienced armies could hold even hardly defensible positions against superior numbers, even peasants have done it given the right motivation, and what better motivation exists than stopping blights forever and ever?

 

Well, he had no problem calling to them on his prison. The whole place was infested with them... Also the Architect found the secrets of the awakening. Making an army of darkspawn and then turning on them ain't a bad idea if you're in a power trip.

 

He also admits (or thinks) he was deceived by Dumat along with the rest and that he is now silent, gone from the world... If you are becoming a god, then you must get rid of any god that may put into question your godship. If he doesn't then he's just a meh villain just burning stuff on a crazy spell.

[andy6915]

I'm aware not every warden can be THoF or Garahel... But remember, even Jory was recruited only because he was the best of his hometown... Skill alone can't save you from a rock or arrows, but keep you from being easy target and helps while defending your position against some guys who haven't been in a real war while wardens are always at war......... History has proven that experienced armies could hold even hardly defensible positions against superior numbers, even peasants have done it given the right motivation, and what better motivation exists than stopping blights forever and ever?

 

And that usually requires high morale. Which the wardens lacked. Why wouldn't they, most of them were already very doubting about the plan and didn't trust it and had a bad feeling about the whole thing. And some wardens were actively fighting each other during your siege, and you come across one such fight. So they weren't even unified and had low morale and even had in-fighting... And it's surprising they weren't putting up a great fight?

[Caddius]

And that usually requires high morale. Which the wardens lacked. Why wouldn't they, most of them were already very doubting about the plan and didn't trust it and had a bad feeling about the whole thing. And some wardens were actively fighting each other during your siege, and you come across one such fight. So they weren't even unified and had low morale and even had in-fighting... And it's surprising they weren't putting up a great fight?

What Andy and everyone else said, as well as what Cullen says.

Grey Wardens do have a history of holding out against incredible odds in sieges, true. Warden's Keep proved that. But that was a relatively modern fortress, wasn't it? Adamant, as Cullen points out, was built before modern siege engines. Its walls were designed to discourage genlocks climbing, not trebuchets. The walls are easily taken down, as is their advantage. Depending on the point in the story, it can be the Inquisition and the Orlesian military attacking. They're divided among themselves, and they're facing not only the Inquisitor, but Hawke. 

While the Hero of Ferelden was certainly badass to the nth degree, most Wardens, I think, are not like that. This is not the age when the most legendary heroes jon the Order. This is the Order after centuries of neglect, after weeks of them sacrificing their own number to summon demons. And it seems like from Last Flight that Wardens were meant to be the organizers behind the armies, the strategist, since they were ostensibly neutral. And when it came time to fight, an aerial strike force. They don't have griffins anymore.

And hey, the Inquisition didn't fight the dragon. Clarel did. 

[Magdalena11]

The easy answer is that the player is in control of both the Hero of Ferelden and the Inquisitor.  That's why it works.  The wardens in Adamant are being controlled by Cory, that's why they're so easy to defeat.  If they were thinking independently and using proper tactics, no, it's their fort, they know it and how to defend it - the Inquisitor should have been slaughtered.  Instead, they let themselves be brainwashed by Cory-whatsit, so they're standing around letting Erimond tell them to raise their hands if they love his god.  It is very difficult to kick someone off their home turf.  If they were really in charge, Inq wouldn't have been able to.  That's why the wardens are weak - it's because they became more afraid of the false calling they were hearing than the evils they were willing to put up with to serve it.  No one in their right mind would think that raising a host of demons that isn't sworn to defend against the blight was a good strategy, but they were willing to go to any lengths to do it.  Just serving and dying like generations before wasn't enough, they had to be heroes and stop it for all time, but it can't be stopped, and they made a tragic mistake.  If they join the inquisition, they might be able to protect themselves in the future, but otherwise, Hawke or Stroud, whoever is left, is really going to have to help them rebuild.  And relearn.