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Question about the Rebel Mages and Tevinter Imperium? (Possible spoilers)


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dejavu619

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I'm playing DA:I for the first time (first DA game I've played and I'm loving it so far). I've reached the part of the story where you have to side with the Templars or the Mages and I have a couple of questions:

 

1. What was the difference in beliefs held by the mages that followed Vivienne and the ones that followed Fiona? I know that Vivienne was in favour of the Circle (a Loyalist, right?) but what did Fiona want for the mages?

 

2. Why does Fiona not remember meeting us at Val Royeaux? I know that Alexius did some time travel thing but how exactly would he have managed to do it?

 

3. Why is Fiona so keen on Tevinter citizenship? And how would receiving the citizenship get the Templars off the mages' backs?

 

4. I saw a youtube video for what happens if you side with the mages. And why is it that if we go back in time, Alexius tells Felix that he's going to die? Can't Felix's death be undone?

 

 

 



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1. The mages that followed Vivienne believed that the current system with the Circle of Magi was the best option. The mages that followed Fiona disagreed and felt that mages should have more freedoms, such as watching over themselves and being part of the world rather than isolated from it. 

 

2. Alexius' time magic only affected the area surrounding Redcliffe. During the weeks of travel it would take the Inquisitor to get from Val Royeaux to Redcliffe, Alexius had altered events so that Fiona never went. Think Back to the Future Part 2 when only Marty and Doc Brown recognize things are different and its explained that they are in a different timeline. 

 

3. Fiona is keen on it because Tevinter can keep the mages safe from the rest of Thedas and especially the Templars because nobody wants to risk war with the Tevinter Imperium. 

 

4. Felix was already dying by the time we meet him and Alexius in the present. He contracted the Blight a few years before that. Alexius can't stop it because his time travel can only go as far back as the destruction of the Conclave and the formation of the Breach, since the Breach is what makes his magic work. Before then there is no Breach so he can't go back to it.


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If the timeline was altered so Fiona never went to Val Royeaux but somehow everyone else still remembered it. That might actually count as the very stupidest thing ever in a Bioware game.



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If the timeline was altered so Fiona never went to Val Royeaux but somehow everyone else still remembered it. That might actually count as the very stupidest thing ever in a Bioware.

 

Time travel will never make sense unless you have a PhD in physics, even then not as much as you think.

 

I asked someone who somewhat knew about time travel theories, and he said in this instance since the timeline was broken rather than traveling by reaching speed of light, the time travel was limited by locations. Meaning only those inside redcliff were affected by it. No one remembers Fiona leaving redcliff, but those who saw her outside of redcliff remember it.

 

This also shows how much the people of redcliff and mages there were tricked by Alexius. They were absolutely isolated from the outside world. 


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I can be pretty forgiving with fictional time travel physics. But if the Inquisition was in Redcliffe because they were reacting to events that never happened, then there is no possible way to not make that unforgivably stupid. 



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Well I somewhat agree, but Inquisition reacted to a paradox in this case. If Alexius didn't intervened the Inquisition was going to with the mages by default. The time alteration happened when the Inquisition was on the way, and by the time it reached redliff, Alexius was already done.

 

Its confusing and its time necessarily the fault of time travel. Bioware could have explained things better.



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Well I somewhat agree, but Inquisition reacted to a paradox in this case. If Alexius didn't intervened the Inquisition was going to with the mages by default. The time alteration happened when the Inquisition was on the way, and by the time it reached redliff, Alexius was already done.

 

Its confusing and its time necessarily the fault of time travel. Bioware could have explained things better.

 

The Mages vs Templars dilemma was still up in their air when Alexius intervened. But if he made it so she never went to Val Royeaux, then the Inquisition's actions should have been altered as well. And thus they would never have been on their way to meet her in Redcliffe.

 

If altering the past doesn't change the present, then the dark future should still exist even when the Inquisition returned to their own time.



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Well its something I assumed. Without Alexius mages were in ten times better position than Templars, specially after their fiasco at Val Royeaux.

 

Anyway the magic only seems to affect certain locations. Alexius removes the Inquisitor and Dorian from timeline and time passes naturally from there. Then they return to the exact same spot he removed them from.

 

I don't really agree with the presentation of it though. The Inquisition should have been affected or at least forget about meeting Fiona but alas its not the case. 



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Thanks a lot for your replies... Also, I connected Xbox to Live yesterday for the first time with Inquisition inside and it said that there was an update greater than 700MB for the game. Is the single player campaign broken or something? Just surprised to see such a huge update size...



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Also, how do I add ME3 and DA:I in my bioware profile. I have played those games on X360. I don't remember how I added ME2 lol

 

EDIT: The funny thing is, I can post in the ME3 owner's only forums even though I haven't registered the game. Is that supposed to happen? And IIRC, ME2 is registered for me only because I downloaded a DLC for it (can someone confirm if this makes sense)?

 

EDIT: Never mind, I've posted the question regarding game registration in the relevant forums. Still looking for the answer to the game update question



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Thanks a lot for your replies... Also, I connected Xbox to Live yesterday for the first time with Inquisition inside and it said that there was an update greater than 700MB for the game. Is the single player campaign broken or something? Just surprised to see such a huge update size...

That is for the MP. They added a bunch of stuff for it in the latest patch, like a new difficulty. 



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That is for the MP. They added a bunch of stuff for it in the latest patch, like a new difficulty. 

Oh, alright thanks :)

Btw, I'm playing as a warrior. At which level should I start the "In your heart shall burn" quest? I'm currently a level 11 warrior... My companions are usually vivienne,olas and cole


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Oh, alright thanks :)

Btw, I'm playing as a warrior. At which level should I start the "In your heart shall burn" quest? I'm currently a level 11 warrior... My companions are usually vivienne,olas and cole

You're welcome. :)

 

What difficulty are you on? 



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You're welcome. :)

 

What difficulty are you on? 

Easy difficulty...