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Otherwise I agree with you, but everyone has already paid for their game. It's not like old gen owners would get free game for nothing, we already have purchased the game with same price as everyone else- depending on which time we did buy it and where (cheaper in some countries).

I get that, but it comes down to everyone paid the same and should get the same product and amount of product for their money. 

 

I'm struggling to explain it, but I feel that it'd be wrong for last gen owners to get a free copy of the game that the current gen owners had to pay for. While everyone paid the same price, last gen owners bought the last gen version and current gen owners bought the current gen version. Again, I am struggling to properly explain my logic, but last gen owners would have 2 copies of the game, one provided for free and current gen owners who paid the same would have one copy which they paid for. This would not be fair to current gen owners unless they were given a free last gen copy. 

 

If last gen owners got a free current gen copy then there would be a whole new issue and this time it would be the current gen owners (well, more of them, cause I'm already disappointed with how this has been handled) that are mad. 

 

Everyone should just get what they paid for and the only fair way to go about that is to give last gen all the DLC. 



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If last gen owners got a free current gen copy then there would be a whole new issue and this time it would be the current gen owners (well, more of them, cause I'm already disappointed with how this has been handled) that are mad. 

 

 

 

Solution:  Offer next-gen DAI customers a free download of last-gen DAI.

 

I have yet to see any justifcation as to why last-gen DAI customers who just want to play new DLC need to buy a second copy of DAI and provide double profit to Bioware.


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I get that, but it comes down to everyone paid the same and should get the same product and amount of product for their money. 

 

I'm struggling to explain it, but I feel that it'd be wrong for last gen owners to get a free copy of the game that the current gen owners had to pay for. While everyone paid the same price, last gen owners bought the last gen version and current gen owners bought the current gen version. Again, I am struggling to properly explain my logic, but last gen owners would have 2 copies of the game, one provided for free and current gen owners who paid the same would have one copy which they paid for. This would not be fair to current gen owners unless they were given a free last gen copy. 

 

If last gen owners got a free current gen copy then there would be a whole new issue and this time it would be the current gen owners (well, more of them, cause I'm already disappointed with how this has been handled) that are mad. 

 

Everyone should just get what they paid for and the only fair way to go about that is to give last gen all the DLC. 

 

I get your point, that some players would end up with two copies of the game. However new gen owners don't need new copy to be able to buy DLC's and receive support: there has been speculation that multiplayer DLC's and patches in general will stop as well. They already are fine. Giving new copy to last gen owners would be compensation from Bioware over screwing them over and new gen owners haven't been screwed over so they don't need compensations.


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Just came by to offer my support.  This isn't something that affects me, but some of my friends on the forums are dealing with this.  I do think a free copy of DA:I for those registered on previous gen consoles is more than fair.  I would have been livid if that had happened to me.  

 

The data transfer feature is nice, but I think if previous gen fans have to buy either the PC version or a current gen console in order to continue playing the game, a free digital copy would be a way to ease some understandably hurt feelings.  It would be wrong and particularly money grubbing of EA to expect people to pay for it twice.  Sadly, I think that is exactly what EA is expecting.  This is one of those blunders that is going to cost some real good will from the fans.  

 

I hate to say it, but I wish they would have announced back last summer that previous gen consoles were being dropped.  There would have been grumbling, but most would have accepted it and move on.  I rarely indulge in EA bashing, but I think in this case previous gen consoles were being deceived by EA.  I think they got led on.  

 

I agree with Panda, Banshee and some others: they knew about this decision probably even before JoH came out, and rather than letting the players know sooner, they decided to wait until (what I suspect) the big Solas DLC was getting ready to come out.  I mean, really?  Really

 

Screw the "PC game for PC gamers" whine that I heard, this is some major crap right here.  That is leading the fans on and taking the rug out from underneath them.  I'm betting BioWare made the decision that they couldn't continue previous gen support months back, but then EA decided to keep the lid on it until recently.  It was a very bad move.  I'm not trying to be condescending, but I feel bad for all of the previous gen players caught up in this.  I hope EA/BioWare doesn't just pat you on the head and leave it at "Better luck next time."   :(


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Just came by to offer my support.  This isn't something that affects me, but some of my friends on the forums are dealing with this.  I do think a free copy of DA:I for those registered on previous gen consoles is more than fair.  I would have been livid if that had happened to me.  

 

The data transfer feature is nice, but I think if previous gen fans have to buy either the PC version or a current gen console in order to continue playing the game, a free digital copy would be a way to ease some understandably hurt feelings.  It would be wrong and particularly money grubbing of EA to expect people to pay for it twice.  Sadly, I think that is exactly what EA is expecting.  This is one of those blunders that is going to cost some real good will from the fans.  

 

I hate to say it, but I wish they would have announced back last summer that previous gen consoles were being dropped.  There would have been grumbling, but most would have accepted it and move on.  I rarely indulge in EA bashing, but I think in this case previous gen consoles were being deceived by EA.  I think they got led on.  

 

I agree with Panda, Banshee and some others: they knew about this decision probably even before JoH came out, and rather than letting the players know sooner, they decided to wait until (what I suspect) the big Solas DLC was getting ready to come out.  I mean, really?  Really

 

Screw the "PC game for PC gamers" whine that I heard, this is some major crap right here.  That is leading the fans on and taking the rug out from underneath them.  I'm betting BioWare made the decision that they couldn't continue previous gen support months back, but then EA decided to keep the lid on it until recently.  It was a very bad move.  I'm not trying to be condescending, but I feel bad for all of the previous gen players caught up in this.  I hope EA/BioWare doesn't just pat you on the head and leave it at "Better luck next time."   :(

Thank you, and I pretty much agreed with everything in your post.

(but of course I'm biased ;))

I hope your friends are just as vocal about this as some of us are trying to be. I highly doubt we'll make waves, but you never know.

 

I wouldn't have felt NEAR as bad if BioWare/EA had just release the darn thing for new gen exclusively. I mean yeah, it would suck but at least I wouldn't have to spend money twice on a game I already purchased! I would have saved up enough money to eventually upgrade, like everyone will/would when they are able (well, anyone that retains their desire to play video games).

 

I hate that they pulled this slezy tactic on us old gen.


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Thank you, and I pretty much agreed with everything in your post.

(but of course I'm biased ;))

I hope your friends are just as vocal about this as some of us are trying to be. I highly doubt we'll make waves, but you never know.

 

I wouldn't have felt NEAR as bad if BioWare/EA had just release the darn thing for new gen exclusively. I mean yeah, it would suck but at least I wouldn't have to spend money twice on a game I already purchased! I would have saved up enough money to eventually upgrade, like everyone will/would when they are able (well, anyone that retains their desire to play video games).

 

I hate that they pulled this slezy tactic on us old gen.

<points to Banshee, Panda, and a few others in the crowd>  My friends generally aren't the silent type, which is why they are my friends.   ;)

 

This is bad business practice that shouldn't have happened.  If you guys start a thread or even a petition requesting a free copy of DA:I for the upgrade, I'll sign it.  

 

I found out about this when I was on break from my computer, so I've had some time to think about it.  I have maybe a decent solution in mind.

 

  • Make it to where if someone has the previous generation digital copy, they can no longer access it if they get the free copy for their PS4/Xbone.  
  • If they had a physical copy, give them the digital copy and make the registration on the physical copy invalid.  They can do that via the Origin account system.
  • Have the player required to re-register their games via Origin and the BF to confirm the new copy.  
  • You're given several notices and one final warning that if you accept this replacement copy, your game on the previous gen won't be considered valid.  
  • This will ensure that the previous gen players that upgrade get a free copy without having two working copies of the game.
  • Combine this with the data-importing feature to transfer save and character data, so players don't have to miss a beat.

 

This won't stop a few folks from abusing the system, but some people are awful no matter what.  It's not a free copy, it's a replacement copy in a gesture of good will that would mean a truckload to the previous gen players that have been completely screwed over here.  It's also easy to track which platform profile you're using.  I tried to consider what I would consider reasonable in this situation and that was what I came up with.  I don't know how practical this is to pull off, so please forgive any assumptions or mistakes there.  I only hope I'm making some sense here.  Not sure, might need more coffee.


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<points to Banshee, Panda, and a few others in the crowd>  My friends generally aren't the silent type, which is why they are my friends.   ;)

 

This is bad business practice that shouldn't have happened.  If you guys start a thread or even a petition requesting a free copy of DA:I for the upgrade, I'll sign it.  

 

I found out about this when I was on break from my computer, so I've had some time to think about it.  I have maybe a decent solution in mind.

 

  • Make it to where if someone has the previous generation digital copy, they can no longer access it if they get the free copy for their PS4/Xbone.  
  • If they had a physical copy, give them the digital copy and make the registration on the physical copy invalid.  They can do that via the Origin account system.
  • Have the player required to re-register their games via Origin and the BF to confirm the new copy.  
  • You're given several notices and one final warning that if you accept this replacement copy, your game on the previous gen won't be considered a valid copy.  
  • This will ensure that the previous gen players that upgrade get a free copy without having two working copies of the game.

 

This won't stop a few folks from abusing the system, but some people are awful no matter what.  It's not a free copy, it's a replacement copy in a gesture of good will that would mean a truckload to the previous gen players that have been completely screwed over here.  I tried to consider what I would consider reasonable in this situation and that was what I came up with.  I don't know how practical this is to pull off, so please forgive any assumptions or mistakes there.  I only hope I'm making some sense here.  Not sure, might need more coffee.

Ha! And they've been a pleasure (legitimately) complaining with.

 

And I agree.

 

I found out about it while surfing about the web, not something I was all to happy to see either. No real formal announcement from BioWare/EA that I saw.

 

Man you've thought this out! I've only thought about an old gen exchange for a new.

*Cough*

 



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:lol:  I don't know if that's smart, the mark of someone with way too much sodding free time to think about this stuff, or both.  I'm guessing both, knowing me.  But thank you.

 

I found out about this thanks to Ares about 2 weeks ago while I was away from my computer for about a week.  Getting mad is only step one.  Step two and beyond call for trying to speak corporate in a situation like this.   :P



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I'm going to hop in right here and state that I don't feel this is a fair statement. Inquisition was originally supposed to come out in 2013 (if my memory is correct) and got delayed 2 or 3 different times. I just wanted to focus on what I bolded, they absolutely goofed and should not have cut last gen off from the DLC, but I want blame to be given to where it is due and fair.  

 

Before I proceed with the following paragraph, I want it to be clear that I am not defending Bioware (except in the above paragraph) or their decision, I am just stating what I believe their rationale was: Bioware should have cancelled the last gen console versions and stuck to their vision for the game, but they didn't and I think a lot of that stems from the fact that the original release date was 2013, launch year for current gen. At the time it made perfect sense for them to have the game come out cross gen, then came the delays and launch in November of 14; a period of where most people was migrating to current gen. It basically comes down to the fact that they didn't want to scrap the last gen versions that they had worked on and lose profit/time, scrapping them would have been pointless after current gen had launched anyway, but if they wanted to follow their vision and it was "hampered" by last gen consoles, then they should have made DAI current gen only from the start. Now we are nearing 2016 and the market has massively shifted, odds are that they didn't sell as much DLC on last gen as they thought they would and now they've decided to cut support to last gen consoles. 

 

Despite my feelings toward the game coming out for last gen consoles, cutting off support for the DLC was a bad and unfair move to their customers. When they started selling the last gen versions of the game they should have committed for the long haul. It would be an entirely different matter had they stated pre-release that last gen consoles weren't going to get all the DLC. Bioware should stand by the last gen versions of their product and give the owners the same support that current gen version owners are receiving. 

 

If their decision to drop the last gen versions wasn't money based, but rather "last gen consoles can't do all of our neat ideas for DLC", well why does implementing all of those ideas matter now? No seriously, they were more than willing to cut things of the vanilla game for parity and to bring it to last gen, they should stick to what they've started and give all their customers the support they deserve. If they have so many awesome ideas then they can do what they did with Dragon Age 2's Exalted March DLC (fun fact: that's where the basis of Inquisition's story came from) and turn it into Dragon Age 4.

 

On another note: last gen owners getting a free current gen version isn't right in my book. It wouldn't be fair to current gen owners for last gen owners to get a free copy of the game and besides that, the last gen owners still wouldn't have a way to play their free current gen version copy. The only solution that is fair and right, in my eyes at least, is to make the DLC for last gen and current gen. 

This is just my two cents on the entire matter.

By the way, this giant wall of text isn't aimed at you in particular Orvar83, just the first paragraph :P

ok, first, I agree, old gen consoles ended up limiting the game for current gen ones, just as much as current gen consoles have limited the game for PC (It's pretty obvious that the tactical camera in DAI is more ment for console than pc, otherwise it'd be more like the one in origins, also the control scheme not includng things like walk run toggle, no keyboard mapping what so ever, and the game's cutscenes being capped at 30fps all support that statement), that does not mean that the game ON old gen consoles doesn't look and play so badly that it makes you think twice about Bioware's quality standards, hell PC has had almost as many reports of gamebreaking bugs, like crashes to desktop, among others, just look at Answer HQ and look at the amounts of new threads coming up just because of patch 1.09.

But those do get fixed, pc gamers are voicy, they usually get heard pretty quickly, we on the other hand tend to be excluded, cause of our lesser hardware, or at least now that next (now "current") gen is here, so while the game has had some short comings on pc and current gen platforms that have and will continue to be dealt with, on old gen nothing has been done, and that's a problem, simply because we ALREADY paid for their game, so it SHOULD work fine, the excuse of "because hardware" became irrelevant when they launched on old gen, i payed, i want to be able to play my game without crashes, fps drops, stutters, texture poping, textures missing, 3d model poping etc. simply cause that's how ANY game should be played, that's the standard, even for OLD platforms, so since they DID launch on old gen platforms we are entitled to the game performing well and to complain when it isn't and to have the damn thing fixed, the fact that it came out on such a broken state, that it's been 9 months since it came out and it's still a broken mess speaks volumes of Bioware and EA's ethics, customer support and quality control standards.


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<points to Banshee, Panda, and a few others in the crowd>  My friends generally aren't the silent type, which is why they are my friends.   ;)

 

This is bad business practice that shouldn't have happened.  If you guys start a thread or even a petition requesting a free copy of DA:I for the upgrade, I'll sign it.  

 

I found out about this when I was on break from my computer, so I've had some time to think about it.  I have maybe a decent solution in mind.

 

  • Make it to where if someone has the previous generation digital copy, they can no longer access it if they get the free copy for their PS4/Xbone.  
  • If they had a physical copy, give them the digital copy and make the registration on the physical copy invalid.  They can do that via the Origin account system.
  • Have the player required to re-register their games via Origin and the BF to confirm the new copy.  
  • You're given several notices and one final warning that if you accept this replacement copy, your game on the previous gen won't be considered valid.  
  • This will ensure that the previous gen players that upgrade get a free copy without having two working copies of the game.
  • Combine this with the data-importing feature to transfer save and character data, so players don't have to miss a beat.

 

This won't stop a few folks from abusing the system, but some people are awful no matter what.  It's not a free copy, it's a replacement copy in a gesture of good will that would mean a truckload to the previous gen players that have been completely screwed over here.  It's also easy to track which platform profile you're using.  I tried to consider what I would consider reasonable in this situation and that was what I came up with.  I don't know how practical this is to pull off, so please forgive any assumptions or mistakes there.  I only hope I'm making some sense here.  Not sure, might need more coffee.

I opened a twitter account specifically to offer suggestions.  Mike Laidlaw each answered two or tweets ... and then got tired of my tweets I presume.

 

Someone else should tweet Mark or Mike with this suggestion



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<points to Banshee, Panda, and a few others in the crowd>  My friends generally aren't the silent type, which is why they are my friends.   ;)

 

This is bad business practice that shouldn't have happened.  If you guys start a thread or even a petition requesting a free copy of DA:I for the upgrade, I'll sign it.  

 

I found out about this when I was on break from my computer, so I've had some time to think about it.  I have maybe a decent solution in mind.

 

  • Make it to where if someone has the previous generation digital copy, they can no longer access it if they get the free copy for their PS4/Xbone.  
  • If they had a physical copy, give them the digital copy and make the registration on the physical copy invalid.  They can do that via the Origin account system.
  • Have the player required to re-register their games via Origin and the BF to confirm the new copy.  
  • You're given several notices and one final warning that if you accept this replacement copy, your game on the previous gen won't be considered valid.  
  • This will ensure that the previous gen players that upgrade get a free copy without having two working copies of the game.
  • Combine this with the data-importing feature to transfer save and character data, so players don't have to miss a beat.

 

This won't stop a few folks from abusing the system, but some people are awful no matter what.  It's not a free copy, it's a replacement copy in a gesture of good will that would mean a truckload to the previous gen players that have been completely screwed over here.  It's also easy to track which platform profile you're using.  I tried to consider what I would consider reasonable in this situation and that was what I came up with.  I don't know how practical this is to pull off, so please forgive any assumptions or mistakes there.  I only hope I'm making some sense here.  Not sure, might need more coffee.

 

I think the problem with this would be that save importer that exist at the moment wouldn't work. You need to use both consoles and versions of game in order to transfer your saves, cause you can only transfer one save at time. Or I think it works like that.

 

"

  • Only 1 exported savegame is available for import at a time.
  • Attempting to export an additional savegame overwrites the previous exported savegame."

I'm not sure though if you can import the save data on new gen without DAI copy (this would mean that you need to import all saves before getting new gen version of the game and locking old gen one.

 

Though to be fair I think this system for importing is quite.. bad. I mean it sounds time-consuming and unnecessary complicated in general. You need to have both consoles plugged in and keep switching between them in order to import many saves one at the time.



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<points to Banshee, Panda, and a few others in the crowd>  My friends generally aren't the silent type, which is why they are my friends.   ;)
 
This is bad business practice that shouldn't have happened.  If you guys start a thread or even a petition requesting a free copy of DA:I for the upgrade, I'll sign it.  
 
I found out about this when I was on break from my computer, so I've had some time to think about it.  I have maybe a decent solution in mind.

  • Make it to where if someone has the previous generation digital copy, they can no longer access it if they get the free copy for their PS4/Xbone.  
  • If they had a physical copy, give them the digital copy and make the registration on the physical copy invalid.  They can do that via the Origin account system.
  • Have the player required to re-register their games via Origin and the BF to confirm the new copy.  
  • You're given several notices and one final warning that if you accept this replacement copy, your game on the previous gen won't be considered valid.  
  • This will ensure that the previous gen players that upgrade get a free copy without having two working copies of the game.
  • Combine this with the data-importing feature to transfer save and character data, so players don't have to miss a beat.
This won't stop a few folks from abusing the system, but some people are awful no matter what.  It's not a free copy, it's a replacement copy in a gesture of good will that would mean a truckload to the previous gen players that have been completely screwed over here.  It's also easy to track which platform profile you're using.  I tried to consider what I would consider reasonable in this situation and that was what I came up with.  I don't know how practical this is to pull off, so please forgive any assumptions or mistakes there.  I only hope I'm making some sense here.  Not sure, might need more coffee.


thses options are very valid logical and reasonable but....

Even if Bioware would agree to such things, EA would never never EVER agree to such thing. they would force the players to spend 300 for a new console then 40 on DAI rather giving a free copy of the game.

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This is something I've decided to not pass judgement on until I've seen the next major DLC

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OP I appreciate cha. That was a clear and concise explanation of what your issue is and I agree completely. While I have only been...loyal, I guess, to BioWare for 4 years, I understand.

That's really all I have for this anymore. But...I'm starting to feel like some of you all work for them or something. Cause it's always the same s/n's caping HARD for this company even when the criticism is NOT baseless and absolutely warranted. And I just don't get that sort of thinking like...we should be mad. That genuinely confuses me when people are not understanding of this and you prove that you don't understand or have little empathy/sympathy with rebuttals that don't. make. SENSE. Were this any other line of business, would you say this was an acceptable execution of business or nah? This is a real question.
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OP I appreciate cha. That was a clear and concise explanation of what your issue is and I agree completely. While I have only been...loyal, I guess, to BioWare for 4 years, I understand.

That's really all I have for this anymore. But...I'm starting to feel like some of you all work for them or something. Cause it's always the same s/n's caping HARD for this company even when the criticism is NOT baseless and absolutely warranted. And I just don't get that sort of thinking like...we should be mad. That genuinely confuses me when people are not understanding of this and you prove that you don't understand or have little empathy/sympathy with rebuttals that don't. make. SENSE. Were this any other line of business, would you say this was an acceptable execution of business or nah? This is a real question.

 

Wish I could like this x1000


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