Err.. dont exactly need way more than $300-400. An i3 processor coupled with a GTX 750Ti (about $150) is enough to match current gen consoles.
Yep, in fact DAI is more CPU-intensive than TW3 so if you can run DAI on a PC already then likely you would only need a better GPU. The big problem with the old consoles is their GPU's are ancient feature & architecture wise and lack basic VRAM.
Err.. dont exactly need way more than $300-400. An i3 processor coupled with a GTX 750Ti (about $150) is enough to match current gen consoles.
Of course.. it's exactly the video card that I bought for my PC which is dated Jan 2011. But I was lucky that my power supply can suffice, that my motherboard could support it (even if the new video card burned the Wi-Fi adapter xD) and then with my i7 2,8 processor and 8 GB Ram installed I was able to play the game smoothly. Still, I am not in a hurry to upgrade it, and the less I can spend in order to play my games in a decent way the happier I am! I know it will come the day that I'll have to spend another $1500-2000 for a new PC but I won't cry if I can wait a little more..
Of course.. it's exactly the video card that I bought for my PC which is dated Jan 2011. But I was lucky that my power supply can suffice, that my motherboard could support it (even if the new video card burned the Wi-Fi adapter xD) and then with my i7 2,8 processor and 8 GB Ram installed I was able to play the game smoothly. Still, I am not in a hurry to upgrade it, and the less I can spend in order to play my games in a decent way the happier I am! I know it will come the day that I'll have to spend another $1500-2000 for a new PC but I won't cry if I can wait a little more..
You should be fine, the Xbox One/PS4 CPU's are pretty weak and modern Intel CPU's have a long shelf life, the only thing that would force you to upgrade are demands on the PC-end like higher resolution screens or PC-only games designed to push hardware.
The Games Industry is a society on its own with its own rules and laws with regard to customer service and product warranty. They have that much power and money they are able to try and stand outside normal laws and outside 'normal' moral. To them we are only wallets and numbers. Having said that i have to say they are not alone; FIFA, UEFA, Pharmaceutical Industries, banks, insurance companies tend to behave the same. Money is all that matters and almost everything is allowed to gain it.
Okay, okay ....... probably there are loads of employees that want to see things changed, but they are only employees glad to have a job. 
I'M A WALLET! 
First off, I realize that many of my fellow users/gamers here are (seeingly) apathetic, apologetic and/or supportive. To them I can only say that I sincerely hope the new DLC content is in fact every bit what they hope and are saying it to be. Something that (in fact) only the newer gen consoles can play and that it exceeds what DA:I or JoH was and is. At least perhaps something good can be born from this ugly debacle.
Now, as a fan and customer for ten years or so I am absolutely livid over this sudden decision to cut off DLC support from the old gen console users. It isn't fair or morally right (morality in the business world?) to simply abandon a portion of your fanbase due to whatever reason, AND to not offer any sort of apology (that I've seen anyways), but instead treat the situation as if it were a good thing, that you're doing us a favor?
I recieved my copy of DA:I from a beloved family member this past a Christmas, from a person who knew nothing about the game. They gifted it to me because they knew I wanted this game, that I had been excited all year to get the chance to play it. It was sixty-plus dollars then, a luxury we really couldn't afford. This family member bought the game for a console they knew I owned and played almost exclusively. My PS3. Sure, ancient though it may be it serves me well. Having survived multiple hard shut downs, do to frequent power outages we suffered from in the area. I had no desire, or the funds for that matter to upgrade at the time (and still don't in the foreseeable future).
So, several months down the road, devoting time and energy into this game. Raving and recommending it to other fellow gamers, friends etc. I got excited over the prospects of the DLC JoH only to be snagged for another month or so with that nasty Time Exclusivity business. I thought "fine I could wait a month or so, no biggie it happens all too frequently,". I didn't want to miss out! I wanted to continue my Inquisitor's story. Well, JoH finally was released for the PS, bought and played, and couldn't wait for the next addition. The opportunity to continue and prolong my DA:I adventure! Only to be practically slapped in the face one morning when surfing through the internet. My heart sunk when I read the headlines. That Bioware will no longer be supporting DLC content for the PS3/Xbox360.
This is just irresponsible of Bioware (EA whoever you want to blame), to release a game port incapable of carrying on through the DLC cycle and allowing devoted fans and gamers to finish their Inquisitor's story. I am/we're now being told that in order for finish our story/adventure we will have to rebuy the game AND purchase a new console? When some of us do not have the funds to simply squalor our money around.
Why did you release DA:I for PS3 and 360? When it was apparent the game had trouble functioning on old gen since release, surely Bioware was aware that future DLCs would cause further stress. A forewarning would have be appriciated. As it is Bioware has strung along the old gen gamers only to cut them short, and screwed the new gen gamers out of a game that could have and should have been a game exceeding what was released.
Bioware, our ten years of business is over. I had been a fan and customer for this long, trying my best to buy all your games at launch and even every little DLC that went along with Dragon Age and Mass Effect to get the most out these cherished games, I've had the pleasure of playing. No more. Should I purchase another Bioware game it will be used. Should I decide to upgrade I will buy a used console, faults and all. I will not buy anymore DLCs until I see improvement in the way you conduct business. It is your name attached to every Mass Effect and Dragon Age title, it is your responsiblity to see to it that your customers have a reason to come back and buy your products.
Thank you for your time.
TL;DR: Pissed over the decision to abandon the PS3 & Xbox 360. Irresponsible of Bioware & in poor taste. Will no longer be supporting Bioware financially.I figured people would read, at least skim the OP before trying to debate or argue with my reasonings and opinions. Apparently, I was mistaken.
I can really understand your frustation,really...
But the game was simplified in some aspects because of some limitations of the old gen consoles,so the port could be possible...No ofense,but when one plataform is limiting other,the game can't grow in any way.I really understand your frustation,If Bioware or EA knew of the troubles of the conversion,they should not even release those versions,now they simple throw it away...It's an offense to the customer...Well its a complicated matter indeed,I hope they show more respect in the future.I play on PC,but I still can feel your pain... :/
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I can really understand your frustation,really...
But the game was simplified in some aspects because of some limitations of the old gen consoles,so the port could be possible...No ofense,but when one plataform is limiting other,the game can't grow in any way.I really understand your frustation,If Bioware or EA knew of the troubles of the conversion,they should not even release those versions,now they simple throw it away...It's an offense to the customer...Well its a complicated matter indeed,I hope they show more respect in the future.I play on PC,but I still can feel your pain... :/
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Of course. That's not the problem. The problem is that Bioware basically said, "hey, we goofed. But we're not doing anything whatsoever to make up for it!"
Because lets be real, announcing a save importer (something that should have been included at some point regardless of this console sh*ttery) as the "way to tide things over" is an insult, NOT a measure of goodwill.
I can really understand your frustation,really...
But the game was simplified in some aspects because of some limitations of the old gen consoles,so the port could be possible...No ofense,but when one plataform is limiting other,the game can't grow in any way.I really understand your frustation,If Bioware or EA knew of the troubles of the conversion,they should not even release those versions,now they simple throw it away...It's an offense to the customer...Well its a complicated matter indeed,I hope they show more respect in the future.I play on PC,but I still can feel your pain... :/
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This is why I believe BioWare not only screwed over old genners, they screw new genners out of a "new gen expierence".
I have no quarrel with new gen console peeps, they're not the ones who screwed me over.
The Games Industry is a society on its own with its own rules and laws with regard to customer service and product warranty. They have that much power and money they are able to try and stand outside normal laws and outside 'normal' moral. To them we are only wallets and numbers. Having said that i have to say they are not alone; FIFA, UEFA, Pharmaceutical Industries, banks, insurance companies tend to behave the same. Money is all that matters and almost everything is allowed to gain it.
Okay, okay ....... probably there are loads of employees that want to see things changed, but they are only employees glad to have a job.
I'M A WALLET!
I agree.
See the funny thing is though BioWare/EA are not exactly companies that SHOULD be chasing away it's customers. Games are not a necessity. They're lucky they get any sort of real business. They should be fortunate that people desire distractions such as games. They do not produce a single damn product that people ABSOLUTELY need to survive, if push came to shove they'd be out of the business.
They possess little to no real power over their customers... I think they'd like to think they do, and in some instances customers give them that power.
Again, it's fortunate (for them) so many of us love to game.
Of course. That's not the problem. The problem is that Bioware basically said, "hey, we goofed. But we're not doing anything whatsoever to make up for it!"
Because lets be real, announcing a save importer (something that should have been included at some point regardless of this console sh*ttery) as the "way to tide things over" is an insult, NOT a measure of goodwill.
Did they even say the "we goofed" part?
And I agree with the rest of your post. The save importer, does us absolutely no good without an upgraded copy... and console. While I can't expect BioWare/EA to buy me/us/others a new console, they could at least meet us half way as a gesture to let us turn in our old copies for newer versions.
Gotcha. I guess I've just never been bothered by them. My reflexes aren't the best, so maybe that's why. I dunno.
Thank you for adding your input. Learn something new everyday.
No problem 
I prefer 30fps as well, 60fps is just too nauseating for me, on a shooter maybe, but 3rd person rpg, unnecesary, what i was referring to with the cutscnece issues, are the bugs like textures and some times model poping in, sound going off and on again, the Iron bull not being able to hold a pint properly, geometry cliping, all those technicalities that break inmersion so easily. from wat i've seen in videos on youtube some of these seem to be issues that plague all platforms (expect the sound, and model poping thing, those i've only seen on old gen), i'd wish they'd fix these, but meh not getting my hopes up, they clearly don't care, and a good part of next gen/pc gamers are unsimpathetic to the cause sooo....
Yeah, Bioware definitely needs to improve its animations (and other things, but mostly animations in my opinion) for the next title. The animations look like they're from ME1 (and I think some might be). It was fine 8 years ago Bioware, but it's a bit more immersion breaking now. I mean, characters almost never hold anything unless they HAVE to in Bioware games, because they need to sort out clipping. Not to mention giving someone a hug, or just anything really. I also experience sound delays on Xbox One, as well as cutscenes starting before the screen fades out of black. If I didn't have subtitles, I wouldn't even know someone said something at the beginning of a cutscene sometimes, because audio fades in with the video.
Sorry for the off-topic!
I also experience sound delays on Xbox One, as well as cutscenes starting before the screen fades out of black. If I didn't have subtitles, I wouldn't even know someone said something at the beginning of a cutscene sometimes, because audio fades in with the video.
Sorry for the off-topic!
Wow so it's an all round thing...good to know, the more i read threads concerning the issues in this game the more it breaks my heart, it's such a damn good game!, i got to my hundreth hour today on my first play through and the more I play it the more I like it, Bioware is really good at things like hard choices, and character development, they also have really politically correct views and options in their games that i'm always glad to encourage and support with my wallet (like the same sex relationship stuff, and the trangerder secondary character), but then they go and f*ck it up by making a sh*tty port, or by not paying attention to consumers who want the product they already bought fixed....and so it's heart breaking, so many hours i've put into this game dispite it's many, many, MANY short comings, and every moment i've thought to myself "damn! i should've waited till i got a current gen console", not because of the visuals, the upgrade is almost unecessary for that, just cause of the performance...such BAD performance, makes me think bioware had no quality standards, this plays like an unfinished game, even for old gen.
This is so SO not right to the costumers that has 360 and ps3. What they basically says if you want to follow DAI you have to pay for a new expensive console and the following it. Sorry bioware but DAI is not that good to make me spend more money to play a new DLC.
Not right one bit, moraly not right at all.
Espeically considering that The EA CEO contends that he "Puts Players First".
Espeically considering that The EA CEO contends that he "Puts Players First".
I wonder if the CEO and other top members of EA are even gamers. I'm definitely not saying it should be a prerequisite or anything, but I think it's a very good idea, both because it would lead to a better understanding of their business overall, and because they would personally see the quality of the games they and their competition deliver, and who knows? Maybe they'll have some empathy, or just have a drive to do better than the competition and out-do themselves, even if it's for profit.
The decision to put the game on the 360/PS3 was a revenue decision, a lot of publishers who made games cross-gen have made it known why they pushed for it. The decision to move to next-gen was likely Bioware's call.
The decision to put the game on the 360/PS3 was a revenue decision, a lot of publishers who made games cross-gen have made it known why they pushed for it. The decision to move to next-gen was likely Bioware's call.
The decision to put the game on the 360/PS3 was a revenue decision, a lot of publishers who made games cross-gen have made it known why they pushed for it. The decision to move to next-gen was likely Bioware's call.
The issues isn't really that they made a PS3/360 version, it's that they abandoned it midway through it's life cycle, without any real warning. They should have...
A.) Not release it at all (course then no money from old gen).
B.) Put a warning label on all PS3/360 copies, or official statement before release.
C.) Follow through, as many other companies had.
Option B would have been all fair game, at least the customer would have KNOWN BioWare had no intention of supporting all the way through.
You mean.. EA didn't force them to stick to old gen consoles? Just like they didn't force them to use frostbite 3? They chose this themselves?
Yes, a lot of developers have/had talked about not wanting to do cross-gen projects. Frostbite 3's got nothing to do with it really.
The issues isn't really that they made a PS3/360 version, it's that they abandoned it midway through it's life cycle, without any real warning. They should have...
A.) Not release it at all (course then no money from old gen).
B.) Put a warning label on all PS3/360 copies, or official statement before release.
C.) Follow through, as many other companies had.
Option B would have been all fair game, at least the customer would have KNOWN BioWare had no intention of supporting all the way through.
It's very likely they didn't have the DLC planned out far enough to know cross-gen would become an issue, it's also likely EA didn't believe the new-gen consoles would sell as well as they have and believed the revenue would be stronger on old gen (they haven't broken down sales, but numbers from other publishers point to new gen outselling old gen on software by a large margin).
I think providing a free upgrade to last-gen consumers would be the best option. As for warning labels, there's zero guarantee any DLC gets made that's started after the main game has gone gold, so might as well just make an all-encompassing label at that point that says you're paying for the main game and nothing is guaranteed beyond that.
The issues isn't really that they made a PS3/360 version, it's that they abandoned it midway through it's life cycle, without any real warning. They should have...
A.) Not release it at all (course then no money from old gen).
B.) Put a warning label on all PS3/360 copies, or official statement before release.
C.) Follow through, as many other companies had.
Option B would have been all fair game, at least the customer would have KNOWN BioWare had no intention of supporting all the way through.
They should have just kept it with current gen (pc/xbone/ps4). It would have created more of an incentive for us old gen users to upgrade. But they didn't and chose to put it out on last gen.
Yes, a lot of developers have/had talked about not wanting to do cross-gen projects. Frostbite 3's got nothing to do with it really.
It's very likely they didn't have the DLC planned out far enough to know cross-gen would become an issue, it's also likely EA didn't believe the new-gen consoles would sell as well as they have and believed the revenue would be stronger on old gen (they haven't broken down sales, but numbers from other publishers point to new gen outselling old gen on software by a large margin).
I think providing a free upgrade to last-gen consumers would be the best option. As for warning labels, there's zero guarantee any DLC gets made that's started after the main game has gone gold, so might as well just make an all-encompassing label at that point that says you're paying for the main game and nothing is guaranteed beyond that.
I would think planning that stuff out would be... rather imperative to plan out in the business world.
I don't know, with everyone making a stink how old gen held back DA:I surely they would have known PS3/360 hardware limitations. Perhaps they still thought the risk was worth it. 
I think that's fair, especially for those poor Deluxe Edition buyers. They REALLY got screwed over from what I'm seeing/reading. It's a good PR as others have said.
That is true. I think DLCs are pretty much a given these days though, what company doesn't shoot for more opportunity to get more money? Besides, BioWare has never NOT released extra story-driven content before (at least for more recent titles), why wouldn't they this time?
The trouble now is that they've already released one (JoH) and after that decided to unexpectedly abandon PS3/360. I have this idea running through my head that BioWare is run rather chaotically. No one knows what's really going on, or when it's happening etc. Not exactly the thought you want your customers running around with, but with how erratic some of their decisions have been (portrayed at least) as of late it's just... I dunno, they look rather incompetent.
They should have just kept it with current gen (pc/xbone/ps4). It would have created more of an incentive for us old gen users to upgrade. But they didn't and chose to put it out on last gen.
I can agree with that. I was excited when DA:I was announced, then even more excited when I found out it would be released for PS3/360. I probably would have saved up for a PS4 just to play DA:I at the time.
I would think planning that stuff out would be... rather imperative to plan out in the business world.
I don't know, with everyone making a stink how old gen held back DA:I surely they would have known PS3/360 hardware limitations. Perhaps they still thought the risk was worth it.
I think that's fair, especially for those poor Deluxe Edition buyers. They REALLY got screwed over from what I'm seeing/reading. It's a good PR as others have said.
That is true. I think DLCs are pretty much a given these days though, what company doesn't shoot for more opportunity to get more money?
The trouble now is that they've already released one (JoH) and after that decided to unexpectedly abandon PS3/360. I have this idea running through my head that BioWare is run rather chaotically. No one knows what's really going on, or when it's happening etc. Not exactly the thought you want your customers running around with, but with how erratic some of their decisions have been (portrayed at least) as of late it's just... I dunno, they look rather incompetent.
It's hard to say on the development side, it's pretty common for features/sections of games to get cut and resources shuffled around during development because of unseen issues. I'm guessing there might've been some internal pressure to answer issues people had with the main game and this was a compromise needed to better achieve that.
I still maintain that they should allow last-gen console players the ability to download the next-gen version of their game for free (or for a token distribution cost). If they can give away free copies of the game to folks who want to play MP, they can afford to support the transition to a new console. It would be a valuable gesture of goodwill.
It's hard to say on the development side, it's pretty common for features/sections of games to get cut and resources shuffled around during development because of unseen issues. I'm guessing there might've been some internal pressure to answer issues people had with the main game and this was a compromise needed to better achieve that.
Also true. Alas we'll never know, and unfortunately BioWare/EA's lack of (better) communication doesn't help the situation.
A formal explanation and/or apology goes a long way, other companies have done this. They're not obligated, sure, but it's just good business to maintain communication between us and them.
I still maintain that they should allow last-gen console players the ability to download the next-gen version of their game for free (or for a token distribution cost). If they can give away free copies of the game to folks who want to play MP, they can afford to support the transition to a new console. It would be a valuable gesture of goodwill.
I agree.
If they could just manage, MANAGE to give us the ability to trade our old copies, or download (as you mentioned), I doubt there would be much of an issue.
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