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[BansheeOwnage]

It's very likely they didn't have the DLC planned out far enough to know cross-gen would become an issue

I definitely think this happened because of short-term planning, but as far as I can tell, they were not forced, not by EA, and not by hardware limitations, to drop DLC. I've explained before, and I'll try again. There is no reason they couldn't have released more DLCs like JoH, Witch Hunt, or Legacy, rather than choose to make the ideas that they feel wouldn't be done justice without the perks of newgen. Don't delude yourself into thinking they had no choice. They were just so intent on making DLC a very specific way after JoH, that they decided to drop oldgen.

It was not because they had to.

 

I have this idea running through my head that BioWare is run rather chaotically. No one knows what's really going on, or when it's happening etc. Not exactly the thought you want your customers running around with, but with how erratic some of their decisions have been (portrayed at least) as of late it's just... I dunno, they look rather incompetent.

This is exactly how it seems. Continuing the above thought, I would imagine the decision to drop oldgen came from only a few higher-ups after they got overly attached to a specific DLC idea  instead of choosing one that would run on all platforms, which was probably their plan up until that point (and they have a lot of ideas, so don't tell me they couldn't have simply chosen another).

 

"Hey guys, let's discuss possible DLC ideas."

 

"Well, we could do A, B, or C, but we also had a crazy idea for D, but it would be very taxing on the hardware. It would involve REDACTED and REDACTED, and would have this epic battle that ends with REDACTED. Then, we would - "

 

"We're doing that one! Drop the consoles that can't handle it, that's just too cool!"

 

"Uh... you're the boss!"

 

That's what I imagine happening at any rate. So it looks like no one knew about this until, well, a few people decided to do it. Which was probably just after they finished JoH. They also didn't warn us about it as soon as they could have, which is mean.

[Domiel Angelus]

Dragon Age is trash anyways, hopefully Bioware make a new IP and move on.

 

The first Dragon Age was awesome and 2 would be better if they let it simmer longer instead of tossing it out of the pot when the pasta wasn't fully cooked yet. They've tried new IPs before, take Jade Empire for example, people rave about how awesome it is but the numbers were low so they didn't continue with it. The last time it was publicly spoken about even was way back in 2011 before the remaining BW founders left to pursue other interests. 

 

I want them to make the next game something entirely different as well, failing that I hope that they take it back to basics as in DA:O basics. If you thought the original was trash then I have no common ground with ya. 

[SirMisterKitty]

The first Dragon Age was awesome and 2 would be better if they let it simmer longer instead of tossing it out of the pot when the pasta wasn't fully cooked yet. They've tried new IPs before, take Jade Empire for example, people rave about how awesome it is but the numbers were low so they didn't continue with it. The last time it was publicly spoken about even was way back in 2011 before the remaining BW founders left to pursue other interests. 

 

I want them to make the next game something entirely different as well, failing that I hope that they take it back to basics as in DA:O basics. If you thought the original was trash then I have no common ground with ya. 

Jade Empire! Gawd, I miss that game.

I wish they'd try something new, Dragon Age & Mass Effect are good and all, and maybe ME:A will bring something new to the table to revitalize the franchise etc. But in all honesty I get tired of DA's episodic format, in one game an event cultivates into something potentially grand and world changing, only for it to end up trivialized in the next game. Kind kils the enthusiasm for me. I don't care for ME's universe as much (less into sci-fi), but I preferred it's format rather than DA's, fortunately dragons are main draw for me in DA.

[BansheeOwnage]

Well, Bioware is making a new IP...

[9TailsFox]

Jade Empire! Gawd, I miss that game.

I wish they'd try something new, Dragon Age & Mass Effect are good and all, and maybe ME:A will bring something new to the table to revitalize the franchise etc. But in all honesty I get tired of DA's episodic format, in one game an event cultivates into something potentially grand and world changing, only for it to end up trivialized in the next game. Kind kils the enthusiasm for me. I don't care for ME's universe as much (less into sci-fi), but I preferred it's format rather than DA's, fortunately dragons are main draw for me in DA.

Jade Empire 2 all characters Asian, no diversity Bioware was destroyed for being racist by "fans"

[Torgette]

I definitely think this happened because of short-term planning, but as far as I can tell, they were not forced, not by EA, and not by hardware limitations, to drop DLC. I've explained before, and I'll try again. There is no reason they couldn't have released more DLCs like JoH, Witch Hunt, or Legacy, rather than choose to make the ideas that they feel wouldn't be done justice without the perks of newgen. Don't delude yourself into thinking they had no choice. They were just so intent on making DLC a very specific way after JoH, that they decided to drop oldgen.

It was not because they had to.

 

Definitely, they had a vision for the DLC they wanted to achieve, not something they had to achieve. I think so long as they address the fans, i'm totally fine with the move IF it makes the DLC better.

 

 

The first Dragon Age was awesome and 2 would be better if they let it simmer longer instead of tossing it out of the pot when the pasta wasn't fully cooked yet. They've tried new IPs before, take Jade Empire for example, people rave about how awesome it is but the numbers were low so they didn't continue with it. The last time it was publicly spoken about even was way back in 2011 before the remaining BW founders left to pursue other interests. 

 

I want them to make the next game something entirely different as well, failing that I hope that they take it back to basics as in DA:O basics. If you thought the original was trash then I have no common ground with ya. 

 

Nah I was being facetious and cranky, I still love Dragon Age.

[SirMisterKitty]

Jade Empire 2 all characters Asian, no diversity Bioware was destroyed for being racist by "fans"

Hey, sounds good to me!

(half asian over here).

 

Also we had Sir Roderick *cough*.

[SirMisterKitty]

Well, Bioware is making a new IP...

When was this?!

(I'm so behind in the times)

[Patchwork]

When was this?!

(I'm so behind in the times)

 

Nothing is known about it other than Gaider has left DA to work on it. 

[correctamundo]

Nothing is known about it other than Gaider has left DA to work on it.

And another writer.

[SirMisterKitty]

Nothing is known about it other than Gaider has left DA to work on it. 

Oooh. Thank you for this, despite there being no real information on it.

Bah! Another BioWare game to add to my do not buy list unless it's used.

[BansheeOwnage]

Definitely, they had a vision for the DLC they wanted to achieve, not something they had to achieve. I think so long as they address the fans, i'm totally fine with the move IF it makes the DLC better.

Yeah. If they gave us a good explanation and an apology, along with a heavy discount for a DA:I upgrade, I'd probably shut up about this. But I would definitely remember it, and be worried about the future. Although even if they give us that now, it will never be as good as if they did it to begin with.

 

When was this?!

(I'm so behind in the times)

As said by others, we know almost nothing about it, except that they seem to be putting quite a lot of resources into it. We don't even know the genre! But I'd really like to, so I can gauge roughly how interested in it I'll be before more info.

[Fireheart]

I just found about this like 10 minutes ago by chance on gamespot. Not like I didn't expect it, but was hoping Bioware would not pull the plug. I haven't been apart of the Dragon Age fanbase for very long, only since about July last year, so I think now is a good time to drop out. I don't want to be apart of a fanbase for a shady organization like EAware. I will stick to the companies that I know I can actually trust, and sticking with my JRPGs... Oh well, it's been fun guys. I really do hope the new dlc will be good, for you all. I might play, but I definitely won't be purchasing it >.> I don't even care if I get banned for saying that. This is (probably) my last post on this site. I want nothing to do with this company anymore. Peace.

[ask_again_later]

At this rate I'm going to be stuck playing LOTRO on my PC. LOTRO! I don't even like LOTRO!

But seriously, I was considering buying it for PC instead of Xbox360 when it first came out. Then I figured it would distract me from my work (since my Xbox is at my parent's house) if I got it for my PC. Now I find out that I don't even get the new DLCs. Well if I knew that in November I would've gotten the came for my frigging PC.

[GithCheater]

I just found about this like 10 minutes ago by chance on gamespot. Not like I didn't expect it, but was hoping Bioware would not pull the plug. I haven't been apart of the Dragon Age fanbase for very long, only since about July last year, so I think now is a good time to drop out. I don't want to be apart of a fanbase for a shady organization like EAware. I will stick to the companies that I know I can actually trust, and sticking with my JRPGs... Oh well, it's been fun guys. I really do hope the new dlc will be good, for you all. I might play, but I definitely won't be purchasing it >.> I don't even care if I get banned for saying that. This is (probably) my last post on this site. I want nothing to do with this company anymore. Peace.

 

Your pirating statement makes EA look virtuous.

[deatharmonic]

These decisions are not normally made on a whim at short notice. IF Bioware did do that, then their lack of foresight and management is poor given that they knew of the limitations posed by old gen consoles, they knew what was achievable and what wasn't - Unless I'm mistaken and DAI for old gen consoles was created in a vacuum? If they didn't make the decision on a whim? Then this has been planned for some time and they said nothing whilst 360/ps3 customers bought JoH with the expectation they would be included in later DLC releases. Regardless of whether BW should be obligated to continue the old gen cycle, it's a very callous decision, seemingly with no thought towards the potential customer fallout.

 

I cannot for a second believe that a team could spend 3-4years working on a game cross gen; and half way through a DLC cycle suddenly realise old gen limitations would hold them back.
 

[BansheeOwnage]

These decisions are not normally made on a whim at short notice. IF Bioware did do that, then their lack of foresight and management is poor given that they knew of the limitations posed by old gen consoles, they knew what was achievable and what wasn't - Unless I'm mistaken and DAI for old gen consoles was created in a vacuum? If they didn't make the decision on a whim? Then this has been planned for some time and they said nothing whilst 360/ps3 customers bought JoH with the expectation they would be included in later DLC releases. Regardless of whether BW should be obligated to continue the old gen cycle, it's a very callous decision, seemingly with no thought towards the potential customer fallout.

 

I cannot for a second believe that a team could spend 3-4years working on a game cross gen; and half way through a DLC cycle suddenly realise old gen limitations would hold them back.
 

See my post at the top of the page for my guess at why it was a sudden thing. But even if I'm right, you're still right that they didn't tell us as soon as they could. They really should have told us as soon as they knew, whenever that was.

 

On a semi-related note, with all the debate about whether you should expect DLC to be available on all platforms, well, I definitely think that's a reasonable expectation, but it's even more reasonable after they released JoH for all platforms. I mean, why would you even think that your platform might not get more DLC if it's clearly possible for Bioware to release one for you?

[themikefest]

Curious as too how many using a ps3/360 bought jaws of harrkon and how many of those were planning on buying the next dlc.

 

As I said in a previous post, I wlll be buying a ps4 in October for the Uncharted trilogy. If it wasn't for that, it would've been November when Fallout 4 is released.

 

I'm sure the next DAI dlc will be released before October or at least I would believe it will be, but at the moment I will most likely watch it on youtube or at least parts of to see if its worth getting and if it is, I will buy a used copy of DAI to play the dlc otherwise I will keep playing the game on my ps3

[SirMisterKitty]

These decisions are not normally made on a whim at short notice. IF Bioware did do that, then their lack of foresight and management is poor given that they knew of the limitations posed by old gen consoles, they knew what was achievable and what wasn't - Unless I'm mistaken and DAI for old gen consoles was created in a vacuum? If they didn't make the decision on a whim? Then this has been planned for some time and they said nothing whilst 360/ps3 customers bought JoH with the expectation they would be included in later DLC releases. Regardless of whether BW should be obligated to continue the old gen cycle, it's a very callous decision, seemingly with no thought towards the potential customer fallout.

 

I cannot for a second believe that a team could spend 3-4years working on a game cross gen; and half way through a DLC cycle suddenly realise old gen limitations would hold them back.
 

My thoughts exactly. How could they have NOT known?

[Frostmourne86]

I deliberately tried to not listen/read any reviews of Jaws of Hakkon before it was released to everyone else (360 user), and I haven't gotten around to playing it yet.  I was planning on buying the next DLC, but now that is one thing I won't be doing.  Good going EA/Bioware: even as other publishers/developers continue to make games for the previous hardware generation (I've got money down on the next Tales game to be released here [PS3] and I'll be getting SMT: Persona 5 since its' also being released on PS3/4) you guys decided to shaft the rest.  And I was someone who didn't really complain about the [Original] Ending (ME 3)! 

[SirMisterKitty]

Curious as too how many using a ps3/360 bought jaws of harrkon and how many of those were planning on buying the next dlc.

 

As I said in a previous post, I wlll be buying a ps4 in October for the Uncharted trilogy. If it wasn't for that, it would've been November when Fallout 4 is released.

 

I'm sure the next DAI dlc will be released before October or at least I would believe it will be, but at the moment I will most likely watch it on youtube or at least parts of to see if its worth getting and if it is, I will buy a used copy of DAI to play the dlc otherwise I will keep playing the game on my ps3

I can't speak for the entirety of PS3/360 users, but I bough JoH... expecting that DA:I would be supported to the end of it's DLC cycle.

 

I don't think being a timed exclusive helped with the JoH sales (imho).

[Panda]

Curious as too how many using a ps3/360 bought jaws of harrkon and how many of those were planning on buying the next dlc.

 

As I said in a previous post, I wlll be buying a ps4 in October for the Uncharted trilogy. If it wasn't for that, it would've been November when Fallout 4 is released.

 

I'm sure the next DAI dlc will be released before October or at least I would believe it will be, but at the moment I will most likely watch it on youtube or at least parts of to see if its worth getting and if it is, I will buy a used copy of DAI to play the dlc otherwise I will keep playing the game on my ps3

 

I didn't buy Jaws of Hawkon cause it got bad reviews and people said it lack story content. In other hand there has been rumours that upcoming DLC is story-heavy so I was planning on getting that.

 

I'm likely only buying PS4 when ME:A comes out since I don't have any other game I'd want for it at the moment. So year and half before I'm going to upgrade. Unless I can get PS4 suddenly very low price, but I doubt it will be discounted a lot though since it's price hasn't really dropped in ages.

 

I'll likely just youtube DAI DLC's at this point, I don't want to buy game twice just to play DLC's of the game. Unless I can get it with 5 euros or sth so the improved graphics would be worth of the switch. But then again I don't plan buying PS4 anytime soon.

[KBomb]

It's sad to me that DAI has released three dlc already and I haven't purchased one (JoH was gifted for my birthday). Every previous game, I bought everything.

I know that there are a lot of people who aren't disappointed and love the game and were eager to snatch up any and all dlc. It's a shame Bioware alienated a lot of those loyal fans-- fans who are also loyal consumers. I hope Bioware will do something to bridge the gap they created.

[Vroom Vroom]

such BAD performance, makes me think bioware had no quality standards, this plays like an unfinished game, even for old gen.

I'm going to hop in right here and state that I don't feel this is a fair statement. Inquisition was originally supposed to come out in 2013 (if my memory is correct) and got delayed 2 or 3 different times. I just wanted to focus on what I bolded, they absolutely goofed and should not have cut last gen off from the DLC, but I want blame to be given to where it is due and fair.  

 

Before I proceed with the following paragraph, I want it to be clear that I am not defending Bioware (except in the above paragraph) or their decision, I am just stating what I believe their rationale was: Bioware should have cancelled the last gen console versions and stuck to their vision for the game, but they didn't and I think a lot of that stems from the fact that the original release date was 2013, launch year for current gen. At the time it made perfect sense for them to have the game come out cross gen, then came the delays and launch in November of 14; a period of where most people was migrating to current gen. It basically comes down to the fact that they didn't want to scrap the last gen versions that they had worked on and lose profit/time, scrapping them would have been pointless after current gen had launched anyway, but if they wanted to follow their vision and it was "hampered" by last gen consoles, then they should have made DAI current gen only from the start. Now we are nearing 2016 and the market has massively shifted, odds are that they didn't sell as much DLC on last gen as they thought they would and now they've decided to cut support to last gen consoles. 

 

Despite my feelings toward the game coming out for last gen consoles, cutting off support for the DLC was a bad and unfair move to their customers. When they started selling the last gen versions of the game they should have committed for the long haul. It would be an entirely different matter had they stated pre-release that last gen consoles weren't going to get all the DLC. Bioware should stand by the last gen versions of their product and give the owners the same support that current gen version owners are receiving. 

 

If their decision to drop the last gen versions wasn't money based, but rather "last gen consoles can't do all of our neat ideas for DLC", well why does implementing all of those ideas matter now? No seriously, they were more than willing to cut things of the vanilla game for parity and to bring it to last gen, they should stick to what they've started and give all their customers the support they deserve. If they have so many awesome ideas then they can do what they did with Dragon Age 2's Exalted March DLC (fun fact: that's where the basis of Inquisition's story came from) and turn it into Dragon Age 4.

 

On another note: last gen owners getting a free current gen version isn't right in my book. It wouldn't be fair to current gen owners for last gen owners to get a free copy of the game and besides that, the last gen owners still wouldn't have a way to play their free current gen version copy. The only solution that is fair and right, in my eyes at least, is to make the DLC for last gen and current gen. 

This is just my two cents on the entire matter.

By the way, this giant wall of text isn't aimed at you in particular Orvar83, just the first paragraph

[Panda]

On another note: last gen owners getting a free current gen version isn't right in my book. It wouldn't be fair to current gen owners for last gen owners to get a free copy of the game and besides that, the last gen owners still wouldn't have a way to play their free current gen version copy. The only solution that is fair and right, in my eyes at least, is to make the DLC for last gen and current gen.

 

Otherwise I agree with you, but everyone has already paid for their game. It's not like old gen owners would get free game for nothing, we already have purchased the game with same price as everyone else- depending on which time we did buy it and where (cheaper in some countries).